Graham Butcher

@RootedI wasn't implying that EV's are going away, just the scale of the manufacturing required just for the UK product (if the data connection is simply because of the grid problem) is going to be a shrinking market compared to the rest of the World. By shrinking I mean that once people have them installed, the main sales will then be replacements for broken units as they will be usable for any new cars that people might buy.

I expect if that becomes a requirement for the UK, makers will be building in all the extra requirements to suit the UK market and others will just have to pay the extra price for the bits fitted that is not required in their countries. Either that or we will have to build our own chargers at great expense.

Yeah, I know and maybe the deadline will be moved yet again and not just here in the UK, there will be many casualties from the fall-out if that ever happens.

I thought that France is also locked into the 2035 deadline for all new car sales to be BEV, so doesn't that mean that like, us, you'll have no option either. I find rather hard to accept that makers of chargers are going to have to produce variants specifically for the UK?

There is however a trade-off to be taken into consideration, and that is that every time you introduce a plug-in connection, it creates another potential point of possible failure or problematic connection due to poor contacts.

I'm not sure if that will ever happen in domestic dwellings as there exists the possibility of having 2 or more phases within the same room even at adjacent aplliances/switches etc. It always used to be the case that where where this occurred in situations where you'd normally only expect 230v to be present, you'd have add warning signage to make users aware of the extra danger. I doubt normal people would accept such signs in their house. Different dwellings are often on different phases to balance loadings as much as possible though.

That is what I'd have expected as well. This person is not a nobody but is a professional electrical contractor who specialises in car chargers and you would expect the manufacturer's to be giving out factual training and guidance in full compliance with regulations.

Agreed, but in his defence, the manufacturer had repeatedly stated no need for a Type A RDC upstream as the charger had one built in. Now I would have automatically installed one as the feed cable, if it gets damaged would have zero shock protection, but the cable from charger to car would have been protected by the internal protection. Surely in this instance, the manufacturer should not have been doing training courses of any sort without having the content of the courses checked for correctness and approved.

People with home chargers need to check this with some urgency and make sure if their home installation actually complies or not. The guy in this video is a professional installer of chargers and has passed all of his training courses and only to be informed after a few years that some of the installations do not comply with the regulations, it is it seems a bit of a minefield.

Yes I did read what he wrote and found it confusing as his photos depicted a granny cable and his chart seemed to indicate a maximum of 3kwh capability per hour which is well within the rating of a 13a socket, but 11kw is not. I just revisited Rooted posting and I see that he has now added another 3 photos. When I compiled my response he was only showing the charging lead and his car plugged in, just 2 photos and hence my concern, so yes I am what I claim to be but can only re-act to the information available at the time.

Your assumption on the 3 phase is correct as to the CT, I take it as current transformers but I can't see why you need those, or indeed any data connections, it makes zero sense to me.

Well, if you have a look at the following website, Cable Size Calculator | Find the size of your Wire/Cable you can enter the various parameters and do your own cable calcs, but I based in on the plug in cable from socket to car being 5 metres in length. It is clearly a single phase supply seeing as it is 13A plug fitted and based on 11kw then the cable and more worryingly, the cable feeding that 13A socket is actually (if the charger is being used at maximum power) is over running the cable at 3.7 times its rating, at full power it is going to get very warm to the touch. The table below is based on the highest allowable voltage drop of 5% and you can see that it comes out at 47.73A for the cable. Then you also have to add in the total length of the cable the length of cable from the socket to the fuse or MCB which makes it worse. OK, assume your house has a ring main circuit for the power sockets, it means that the total power available is going to be around 32A, but that weatherproof socket will on a spur and fed with 2.5mm cable and you can see from the attached it needs 4mm.

It all depends on the capability of the charger, it will have a maximum power rating per hour and that is the governing factor. With a 10amp cable you are over running the cable slightly, that said of course it will also make a difference depending on the length of that cable, very short runs may get away with it.

Question, what would happen in the case of the internet / comms failing, does the charger then shut down or drop down into a trickle charge state to prevent battery damage?

@Winston_Woof Looking like there is more to this than meets the eye, will the UK make or own anything soon? Little China town.

And don't call me Shirley

I have been watching the development of this for a while now, it was covered on YT four years ago and there are a few videos of this now on YT and as Rooted mentioned, it supposed to be around the £60,000 price bracket.

Yep, that does indeed make a mockery of the name, I know which of the two I'd rather have 😀

Well, as you said, the Mini is in fact far from mini when is wider than my car, a far cry from the original.

And now back to the scheduled programming.... Here is a video of the worlds cheapest Tesla, its done 450,000 miles and still has 1 years Tesla warranty left on it (assuming it's transferrable to new owner). Its good in parts and not quite so good in others, and no, I'm not going to do a breakdown of the various points raised in the video, I have other things to be getting on with to waste any more time rewatching it again to make a list of the points, but there are some impressive parts on the car.

How have I chosen a car 6" wider than the monstrous Mini when the Mini, going by your figures is 2069mm wide, and my car is 2013mm wide?? For that to be true, my car would need to be 2165mm wide and clearly that is not the case. Clown feet, yup I'll accept that, I cannot deny I have huge feet

Eh? Yes I did know that they are not new, but most cars of the age of the Rover P6 did not have either door speakers or electric windows, not SIPS either. The Rover P5 was introduced in 1958, the P6 was introduced in 1963 and speakers in those days were either mounted in the rear parcel shelf or beneath the dash, radios were only AM. Electric windows were introduced back in the 1980s to mass production cars, so again were not in either of the Rovers as these 2 photos show manual winders and no door speakers, also SIPS was introduced in 1991 by Volvo. Any mention of these in my earlier comments were directly in relation to the comparable widths of the cars shown in the photo that @Stonekeeper posted, against my Superb and were not an indication of anything else.

Interestingly the Rover P6 as shown in the photo has a width of 1676mm as opposed to the Mini at 1756mm wide and Superb which is 2013mm wide which is, and an Audi A8 is 2111mm. The extra width is required to house the electric window winders and the speakers, along with the side impact beams that all modern cars are now required to have by law. The door thickness of the older cars are so much thinner than those on cars today. Manual window winders, no door mounted speakers etc all helped reduce width. Not to mention as well that many cars, Superbs being one of them, also have far longer doors as well. At one time, the Superb boasted having the largest rear doors fitted to a mass-produced car, all of which need more space to open than those shorter door on narrower cars of old. So once a car door is opened on a modern car, the actual space between the inside of door and the cars body is smaller than it is for older cars and the longer the doors are will also further reduce this space. Car parking spaces have not kept pace with these changes so newer cars will often be seen in car parks, straddling the painted lines as a result.

Now you're changing things, besides the points that Rooted mentioned, have ever thought that it might be the driver who has mobility issues and needs the extra space to exit their vehicle. I have on many occasions been unable to find a space big enough to park so I could actually get out of my car, so I have had no option other than to abandon the shopping trip or whatever to avoid damaging other people's cars. You need to fully consider the other person's reasons for parking like that, often there is a real valid reason other than the one you came up with.

@J.R. As regards to bad parking, parking space width markings have not kept pace with the increase in car sizes. Which have increased in order to incorporate all the modern safety features. With the older cars you mention, smaller than the P6, I also had a Hillman Minx, Ford Cortina, Austin A60, Vanden Plas 3litre, Rover 200, Vauxhall Cavalier, Vauxhall Vectra, Morris Montego, Ford Mondeo, Volkswagan Passats all of which did used to fit in those spaces OK. So in your world, giants are either supposed to just bang their doors into other people's pride and joy, putting dents in them or remain trapped in their cars.. nice.