Graham Butcher

I'm not sure, but I think that AFS refers to Xenon lights which are of the projector type and city light and highway light are 2 of the various modes that AFS provide and are automatically selected by the vehicle's speed and Eco mode is a mode that adapts the throttle response to a more gentle style of acceleration. You might the answers whether your car has these features or not in the owner's manual in relation to what is fitted to your car?

Yet from the same site as you got the above graph from, this one also appears, and I was under the impression that diesel engines are far heavier than petrol, but this graph appears to say that is not so Vehicle Curb weight Difference from world's smallest Weight to power ratio 0—60 mph acceleration ratio Consumption ratio 1.6 TDI 1390 kg / 3065 lbs 965 kg (2128 lbs) heavier 12 kg to 1 hp 134 kg/s (295 lbs/s) 331 kg/L (730 lbs/L) 1.4 TSI 1350 kg / 2977 lbs 925 kg (2040 lbs) heavier 9 kg to 1 hp 161 kg/s (355 lbs/s) 255 kg/L (562 lbs/L) 1.8 TSI 1410 kg / 3109 lbs 985 kg (2172 lbs) heavier 8 kg to 1 hp 183 kg/s (404 lbs/s) 239 kg/L (527 lbs/L) 2.0 TSI 1554 kg / 3427 lbs 1129 kg (2490 lbs) heavier 6 kg to 1 hp 299 kg/s (659 lbs/s) 219 kg/L (483 lbs/L) 2.0 TDI 1510 kg / 3330 lbs 1085 kg (2393 lbs) heavier 8 kg to 1 hp 191 kg/s (421 lbs/s) 321 kg/L (708 lbs/L) 1.5 TSI 1452 kg / 3202 lbs 1027 kg (2265 lbs) heavier 10 kg to 1 hp 175 kg/s (386 lbs/s) 269 kg/L (593 lbs/L)

@wyx087 Lets just agree that this is counterproductive to keep this somewhat silly tit-for-tat going any longer, it is boring the other members and scoring points off each other achieves nothing.

While I'm not going to comment on the models you have listed, how about my lowly Skoda Superb 2016 filthy dirty diesel powered car that can carry 5 people in limo sized comfort only weighs in at 1494kg for hatchback and just 1525kg for estate version, so those you listed are in fact considerably far heavier. So my car is some 451kg lighter than the lightest of those you claim are well designed.

Its BS because you chose cars that are not your average everyday cars that most normal drive or indeed could afford to buy even so that invalidates your claim that EB, be they BEV or some form of Hybrids are not heavier than the average family sub £30,000 ICE cars, that most of us drive. The perceived rant against you is not actually true, it's just that don't see yourself as being confrontational, when in fact you certainly come across as that, whereas toot on the other hand does not. Maybe it is more being a keyboard warrior type of thing, I don't know, but it seems as if you feel compelled to respond to anything that even remotely appears to be opposing your views about electric cars (I say electric, so it encompasses all types of battery cars), does that make sense? People post all kinds of things that I personally don't completely agree with, but I respect the other persons' viewpoint and don't respond to them. You have posted some good things and made valid points on here, and I have found my self agreeing with these and always show it, so the conformational bias and rant from me against you is perceived more than it is a reality as you really seem unable to accept any opinion that differs from yours without responding.

Totally agree, it has been going on, but mainly by car dealers trying to put value on cars with high mileage but the body does not reflect it, all for pure gain. If the annual road charge was to based on miles driven and billed once a year, there would be a massive surge in normal folk looking to have their mileages would backwards in order to get a lower road use charge bill, and that would is the thriving business right there, before it was the minority doing, but it would suddenly swing the other way if the government ever introduced such a scheme.

Yes there are indeed heavier cars out there but come on get real and live in the real world, maybe you are one of the few that could afford to run of these heavier cars that mention, most of us normal people can't do so and also for the record the information you presented above is pure BS. A few minutes checking the information clearly shows that the top 10 of the 12 in that list are indeed either full blown EV's or some form of hybrids. And you if you regularly come across car parks full of these kinds of cars then you are clearly living in a completely different world to the vast majority of the UK population. This in its own way just highlights how you cannot accept anything that you consider to be negative about EVs or hybrids without leaping in to defend their honour. As I have said before, you have one, you like/love it etc, I can accept that and I and many others have no troubles with that whatsoever. You chose to go that route, and it is your right to be able to do so, unchallenged, and I and almost everyone will do all we can to ensure that you can always continue to exercise your freedom to make your own mind up about your choice of transportation. It would be nice if that was also respected back towards those that actually don't currently 100% buy into the EV as being the total magic pill that you seem to think it is. Mercedes EQS SUV - 2,810kg Car review: Is Mercedes’ new electric EQS the quietest SUV on the road? | Independent.ie Mercedes-Maybach GLS - 2,785kg Range Rover PHEV LWB - 2,770kg Electric Hybrid (PHEV) & Mild Hybrid (MHEV) | Land Rover Rolls-Royce Phantom - 2,745kg Volvo EX90 Performance Ultra - 2,743kg Volvo EX90 Pure Electric 7-Seater SUV | Volvo Cars BMW XM Red label - 2,710kg BMW XM Label Red (bmw-m.com) Mercedes-AMG EQS 53 - 2,700kg 2022 Mercedes-AMG EQS 53 on sale from £154,995 | Autocar Rolls-Royce Cullinan Black Badge - 2,660kg Audi SQ8 e-tron Sportback - 2,650kg Latest EV Offers | Audi UK > Electric & Hybrid > Audi UK BMW X7 xDrive M60i - 2,600kg Mercedes G 63 - 2,560kg Bentley Flying Spur LWB - 2,525kg

So true but it would be foolish to rely on that though, I certainly wouldn't bet on them on not delivering.

So I was right, it was indeed the DVLA running those ads. I don't watch much TV, its mostly just rubbish anyway.

Thriving business would be devolped to manipulate mileage backwards again if that were introduced. That is what the cameras will used for. Drive at peak times, pay more, drive through quiet villages instead of major trunk roads, pay more.

It might not be DVLA but it certainly is a UK government body who regularly run TV ads about keeping your car taxed, or declaring it as SORN and that particular reference is used in the advert, maybe you dont have it Scotland?

Well as I don't have LED headlights, I'm unable to comment any further, maybe Langers2k might know more about them.

Since when has any tax being applied fairly. I kind of feel that tax will ultimately be very heavy there will be some who cannot or will not have an EV, even if ICE cars are banned from being used, so they will need to make up the lost revenue from these people.

There has been reports that some cameras have been installed on some rural roads already and nobody knows why, there are no signs. Could it be these are just going to be quietly installed over the coming months etc. until the country is covered, and then they will turn them on.

They will find a way to see your solar panels, even if they are on your lawn, in your back garden, for a start there is Google Earth for a start off. As the DVLA, say, there is no hiding place, they will find you. As a customs officer you should be aware of this.

I'm just wondering if that is their normal temperatures, did it actually flag up a high temperature warning message or did sort of scroll through settings and you noticed the temps changing?

My prediction is that the VAT on electric will go rise across the board so everyone be paying more regardless of if you have an EV or not, VED will be applied, and it will be a hefty one as well. Road charging will take over from clean air zones and the charges will be based on 1/ the time of day, 2/ types of roads driven, 3/ number of people in your car and finally, 4/ distance travelled. Finally cyclists and e-scooters will have to be registered and carry number plates and they too will be charged to use roads in the same fashion, all collected by digital currency on the day of usage.

What is the high temp and the normal temp readings?

I doubt that will be the case much longer, pressure will be mounting to remove incentives as the need to replaced lost revenue from ICE vehicles increases to plug the massive black hole in funds. But the whole thrust of the video was IMO about the fact charging needs to be just as easy as buying petrol is. Older folk especially have a built in mistrust of any cardbased or app based system and would much rather pay a cashier than hope that they can get a signal or whatever. My Mil for instance has a mobile phone that BIL got her, she has it for a while now but does not use it. Touch screen is not user friendly and anyone with Parkinsons will struggle. These are the real issues that the video was making and cards that need preauthorising are a bad idea if they downscale if there is not funds in bank to cover it. People could be left stranded away from home.

I doubt Westminster would allow references to the EU funding. 🤣

And it needs to aid EV take up otherwise the plans might stall.

But the whole thrust of the video was IMO about the fact charging needs to be just as easy as buying petrol is. Older folk especially have a built in mistrust of any cardbased or app based system and would much rather pay a cashier than hope that they can get a signal or whatever. My Mil for instance has a mobile phone that BIL got her, she has it for a while now but does not use it. Touch screen is not user friendly and anyone with Parkinsons will struggle. These are the real issues that the video was making and cards that need preauthorising are a bad idea if they downscale if there is not funds in bank to cover it. People could be left stranded away from home.

Nailed it at last👍

There are still DOT checks on major routes in England and they dedicated sites sites with buildings and even pits in them which they use for HGV checks, cars and light vans are also directed to these sites at times by vehicles with "Follow Me" signs switched on.

Last time I paid at the pump, a few months ago was at Asda and the did away the cashier office/shop years ago at my branch so pay at pump or no fuel, it's your choice. And they do precharge your card £100 each time. Last visit they had 8 pumps, 4 of which were out of service. And there are zero chargers.