Graham Butcher

Totally agree, but the point is that all I have said at the start of this discussion is that I don't see that many BEV cars being driven around here, and I guess one reason for that has been because of the lack of public chargers and even "Dave takes it On" actually made a similar comment about Chelmsford being very badly supported for charging, but he then went onto praise Braintree for its recently opened Electric Forecourt. The nearer to London I go, the more I see electric cars on the road, as they are in their element in large cities and London does have pretty good charging infrastructure. Equally I also said that the most common electric car around Chelmsford is the Tesla and that maybe because of 2 reasons, firstly the local Tesla centre and its charging hub, secondly, they generally are used more for longer trips as they have one of the best ranges of electric cars, coupled with the best charging infrastructure.

Very true, and also of course that when starting, that cable does receive a lot of extra shaking and vibration and as the cable ages the insulation on it gets hard and brittle from the heat and oil and adds its own extra pressure on the point that you mention, making that suspect number one.

@Ootohere I'm not too sure as to the reason for those photos being attached to your post, as a quick DVLA check on the registration numbers revels that only Adventure Carrick van is electric, the blue Fiat is petrol, the 2 fords van/pickup are both diesel and the Cook van is also a diesel and is showing on the DVLA database as SORN? The BMW is a diesel hybrid, the VW is a diesel and Ford Kuga is a petrol hybrid. I still don't buy the notion that Scotland has more electric cars than anywhere else in the UK. The only quantifiable source of information we have is the place of first registration, as shown by the DVLA and those figures I have quoted. That being said however, as I have said to @Stonekeeper that there might some mileage in some cars being registered in the rest UK and then sold in Scotland, but equally some Scottish registered cars could well have been sold in the rest of the UK. Fact is that we don't have those figures, and we have to admit that there is nothing to prevent that from happening, but on the probability of Scotland having more electric cars than the rest of the UK is very unlikely.

Bit of a minefield for the uninitiated this charging at public charger malarkey, I couldn't imagine pulling up at a diesel pump and having to fill up to a point and then naffing off to another one to get a full tank.🤔

Well it should be assuming it has the newer style of plate of 2 letters and 2 digits and 3 letters, then it should be one of these SA, SB, SC, SD, SE, SF, SG, SH, SJ as they are all Glasgow, SK, SL, SM, SN, SO are Edinburgh, SP, SR, SS, ST are Dundee, SU, SV, SW are Aberdeen, SX, SY are Inverness. My own car is BT and that is Birmingham as are BA, BB, BC, BD, BE, BF, BG, BH, BJ, BK, BL, BM, BN, BO, BP, BR, BS, BT, BU, BV, BW, BX, BY And the answer is?

Simply because it was suggested that there were far more electric cars in Scotland than the 12,000 that were registered there, which account for just 1% of the total electric (battery only cars) that were registered in the same period for the whole of the UK. Go back to that post and do your own sums and see if you arrive at the figure which suggests that the rest of the UK actually has 8.7 times as many BEV cars as were registered in Scotland. It really is quite simple. Yes I do know that cars are mobile and can move about the country but the only true measurable yardstick that we can use is where the car is registered, hence the use of the word suggests I hope this clears that situation up?

There may some mileage in that, as the video that @Ootohere posted re the first electric logging lorry in Scotland had the registration number of JJ23BEV which shows it was actually registered in Maidstone, Kent.

WTF, 2 minutes flicking back up a few posts, really does not take up much time at all if you have a decent internet service. For the sake of clarity, which I'm sure most people understood what I meant when I said it, I was talking about waiting while my hypothetical car recharged, I prefer to be at home with my family. Time spent charging is time that I will never get back with my loved ones, that time to me is precious. Seeing as my diesel car and I dare say yours as well is capable of doing with the right conditions, 800+ miles to a tank, taking just 5 minutes to refuel. An electric car would more than likely possibly have to be recharged at a minimum around 3 times and if it was just a small city type car on a long trip, possibly 8 or more times. Does that make it any clearer to you or are you going to continue making snide comments from the sidelines?

The North Weald Skoda's is 100% up to date and all the cars stored there are preregistered with their plates on them, I go there on a real regular basis to visit the war birds stored and flown from there and also help with them in the hangers etc so I know they are there.

Not shy at all, there are many old airfields dotted around England, some have been dug up and returned to farmland again with just the odd structure left or hard standing, others are glider centres, others have become industrial estates, other are now solar farms, some are mothballed, others are civilian airfields some are car storage centre etc. This list is not exhaustive, there are others. RAF Alconbury, recently started to store cars. RAF Bruntingthorpe car storage (mixed) RAF Chipping Warden RAF High Ercal RAF North Weald (New Skodas) RAF Thurleigh (was used to store scrappage scheme cars) now believed to be new cars. RAF Upper Heyford RAF Wyton

Maybe some of them here on this midland's old disused airfield?

Err, yes, only on the Skoda's the others are BEVs.

Skoda, Superb, Enyaq and Kodiaq PHEVs. Citigo is no more and would not be large enough to get a taxi licence, here at least. Just got back home after a trip to Heathrow to pick the wife and SIL with dual carriageway and 4 lane motorway for 99% of the trip, it still took almost 5 hours such was the traffic 😧

The point was not that electric cars were at charging stations in Scotland, but the cars at those stations were registered in Scotland, not from the rest of the UK, please keep up with the theme of the conversation, we were not trying to score points, like you.

It might be a good idea to go back and check what I said, if you do you'll see that I was talking about taxis with those cars 🤔

Well, public chargers are where you would expect to many EVs are they not? I also accept there will be fleets with their own chargers, and of course private ones with home charging, but the point is that these are NOT exclusive to bonny Scotland. There are taxi firms here running Tesla's, Audi's and MG's as well as a few Skoda BEVs also many last mile delivery companies and there are a lot of cars which charge at home as well, both with and without the green flash. We are also now getting some charging hubs installed at last, the latest of which can charge 6 to 8 at a time, in one of the retail parks. The private plate is also extremely common here as well, my neighbour has 2 cars running on private plates. It also comes as no surprise that the most common BEV car seen here is a Tesla, especially on my son's estate where most people are so affluent that they are 2 or 3 new cars and many of these are Tesla model Y and X's and less than a mile away is the main Tesla centre for the Essex area with its own large hub.

I also understand that you were able to enjoy some free power at times in Scotland, that said however, going back through many of the photos that you have posted where the registration plates can be clearly seen and read without any confusion, about 90% or more of them all start with the letter "S" and that means that they were first registered in Scotland, very few plates not showing S as the first letter, which seems to reinforce the figures I posted earlier have a very high percentage of being correct. This site breaks down a registration plate into the area of the country where it was registered and then into the town etc. UK Number Plate Area Codes Explained - Car.co.uk

Well aware of the pre-green flash plates etc., see these on a daily basis down South as well, you really need to come down this way and see for yourself, there are plenty of electric cars here and there is zero reason to believe that Scotland has more than anywhere else. Are you really trying to say that the Scots are the only people to see that if you have the ability of home charging that an EV is a no-brainer if they suit your needs of a car? There are airfields which have new cars stored on them, many of them are already registered, which is exactly what Barrie Crampton says in his video, they have tucked these cars away out of plain sight, very few people really go onto these old disused airbases and are behind gate security guards that will not allow people on site unless they have official business on the site, which I do. That makes these places ideal to "hide" things and the fact that they are also normally in very secluded parts of the country and well screened from roads adds to their suitability.

Interesting, he claims at 00:49 of the video, that these are now becoming the norm? To be that, they must be the majority of cars on the road and in the UK where EVs are only 3.4%, so just how are these becoming the norm?? They are outnumbered 29 to 1. He is also speaking from the American point of view, where electricity is approximately 50% of the price of gasoline, and that itself is far cheaper then it is here. cheaper them it is in the UK.

@Ootohereso that's an interesting point you created there, so it seems that most of BEV cars are in Scotland, which somehow does not equate to the national figures. According to various Google searches, the UK has a total population of 67M, Wales population is 3.11M, Scotland has a population of 5.4M, England has a population of 57.1M with the rest being Northern Ireland. Similarly looking at the BEV registrations distributed across the UK as a whole, there are 1.2M pure BEVs and 690,000 PHEVs but I'm only looking pure BEVs as they must be plugged in, in order to move. Scotland has some 12,000 BEV's, for 5.4M people and the UK as a whole has 1.2M BEVs thus making the total in Scotland equate to just 1% of the UK total, thus leaving some 1.188M BEVs (99% of the total) among 61.6M people. So to maintain the ratio of BEVs to the population as a whole, with just 1% of them being registered in Scotland, that leaves 99% in the rest of the UK, so, 1% = 5.4M so 99 x 5.4M = 534.6M, some 8.7 times the population for the rest of the UK, which does kind of suggest that if the actual registration figures are cars on the road being driven and used, then there are 8.7 more BEVs on the road in the rest of the UK than there are in Scotland?🤔

Just sort of confirms my thoughts because of all the figures people keep telling how these cars are "selling" and yet when your driving around there are pretty low number of new EV cars actually on the roads, its been smoke and mirrors for a while now and finally someone has been brave enough to actually expose the truth. Until there is a level playing field, its not going to get any better really.

That's why I had to sell it and I don't even have a dog 😆, lovely car though.

I still don't take any chances.

Very thought-provoking video from Dave Takes It On where he is also exposing the car industry dirty tricks that affects both EV and ICE cars with the pre-registered ones on sale with just delivery miles on them, typically around 10miles.

Thanks for your thoughts, but I don't think he is guilty of what you think he is doing, seems to be reading it as it was written, he is putting some of his own thoughts/comments from 7:09 after he finishes the letter. There is a pretty big gridserve hub in Braintree that Dave Takes It On visited a while ago. I guess we will have to see what develops to get to the bottom of this, maybe some else who works or did work at a gridserve hub might come forward to add something to it?