Graham Butcher

Maybe, but I suppose I assumed that most people would explore it a bit more and as such as actually going to YT to see what the notes state, I know that usually do that myself not only to see if there was more info, but also to see how old the video as I have seen others posting videos that were old.

No, I never said anything, those are the YT notes for the video. I know that petrol on something hot will vaporise. That why I said it was interesting, more to it than meets the eye.

This video has dropped today, and makes many claims, some of which may be true and others? It does mention the Mini Cooper recall which we do know is true, therefore it would be wrong to automatically dismiss the other claims being made as false or clickbait. Lets examine the first claim about the cost of a round trip from London to Penzance and back again, EV (assuming zero home charging and just using fast or DC public chargers along the route costs £148 and a petrol car costs £77. He does not state which EV car or which petrol car, just calls them typical cars, based on the EV doing 3.3 miles/kW and the petrol car doing 43mpg. I have calculated the route as being 650 miles using TomTom route planner and to make it fairer, I took the starting point to be Dagenham in East London to central Penzance and for my car on a trip like that will do about 66mpg, but I worked on it doing 60mpg, and it would cost me just £66 and less that full tank of fuel. I provide all the supporting links to the sites / documents that he refers to in the video, below for your convenience, and to make this absolutely clear, I do so, not to start a war of words etc, I do this for your information only, make of it what you will. I have an open mind on the subject, some don't or won't accept that, but its true. Running an electric car is twice as expensive as a petrol one (archive.md) More Brits turn to used petrol cars despite potential fuel rises (msn.com) (45) Surveillance video shows self-driving Tesla crash on Bay Bridge - YouTube How government EV sales targets are forcing car makers to use drastic tactics to inflate numbers | This is Money Shell says goodbye to hydrogen cars - All its gas stations in this state are closing (unionrayo.com) Owners Warned: "Electric Cars are a Treat for Pests" (dagens.com) More than 1,400 electric Mini Coopers recalled over major fire risk (thedriven.io) Sweden will not take stake in battery maker Northvolt, PM Ulf Kristersson says - The Globe and Mail

Saw this YouTube, not an EV or in a car park, but I thought it was interesting in its own right. 27,702 views Sep 2, 2024 HENLEY GROVE Car Fire in Henley Grove just off Henleaze Road in Bristol. From what I’ve heard, this was a failed attempt to steal petrol. The car was stolen, the two thieves had filled the car with petrol cans and then proceeded to a petrol station where they filled up all the cans, but didn’t have time to put all the lids on before making their getaway. And so the petrol was sloshing about inside the car and the heat from the exhaust underneath the car ignited the fuel. The driver got out and ran off and the passenger got out with minor burns and was taken to hospital.

Even at £500, I would leave it in the shop these days, before I retired it might have been a different story.

That temp is now spot on.

Generally people will stick with whatever make of kit they started off with, as generally bits of kit are not truly interchangeable and the glass or lens tends to the piece of gear that sets the bar for cameras body, IMV at least.

No it does not for, the reasons I have attempted so many times to explain but still it does not appear to have sunk in.

All very commendable, however that is not the same for everyone and also as one gets older, suddenly that walking really becomes a bit of a nightmare, the body is no longer as fit, strong, flexible and forgiving as it used to be and joints begin to wear out, you become less steady on your feet etc, something that will come to most people in time. It is very frustrating when you see others doing things that I used to do and think nothing of it, it was just something that I used to without realising I was doing it. Even something as simple as getting in and out of a chair can become a chore. People need to start to thinking of others a bit more, not if it suits, it must be good enough for everyone else.

I totally agree, however, I wasn't talking about the banning of ICE from a personal point of view, but from a general view point as those people who are in position of being able to buy new cars and want an ICE car because they do not think that electric suits their needs, or thinks that they are still not a well proven technology with regard to the batteries etc, and they don't want to buy a second hand car for all kinds of reasons, maybe wanting the status symbol of the latest reg, etc. People just automatically assume that everybody is speaking about themselves all the time, is that a sign of the times that folk think that nobody cares about anybody else any more? My days of buying brand-new cars is long gone unless I win big time on the Lottery. The only new cars I've had, have all been company ones, and I'd have been perfectly to have kept them way beyond the 3 years when companies tend to replace their fleets, I always treated them as if they were mine so they were mistreated and thrashed within an inch of their life which so many are. If I was to be a politician, I think that I would be one of the old fashioned type, what they called "a statesman" and treat others in the same fashion as I would want to be treated, someone who would look after all the people rather than a select few or types, cronies.

Unless you are making your living with the gear then second hand is the only way to go in my opinion, someone has already taken the big hit on drop of value, all of my Canon gear is also second hand and my last purchase was a Canon 7D with some stupidly low shutter count of 500 and was clearly someone's spare camera body, it never had a mark on it and my backup body is a Canon 50D again, it looked mint when I got and both have never missed a beat.

Again I not disputing that am I? Again I have not disputed that, but Cobalt is not only used within batteries, it is I understand a key component in other areas of an electric car like its motor. Old batteries may be able to reused in storage systems for your house, for example, but they are not all able to be used because some are faulty and battery recycling plants are so few and seldom are they local and if you ring your local council refuse centre for advice on where you can take an old battery they can't tell you, allegedly going by other sites etc. I don't recall making any comments about real world usage experiences, what I have said is that for the average person be able to enjoy the benefits that you keep banging about the cheapness of motoring and being able to with the right kit, power you home from the car if the need ever arose etc, that those people first need to able to get their car off the road and close enough to their home in order to both charge the car and also power their house from the car battery. If they cannot do that then everything else is pointless. Have you personally experienced driving a truck with the overhead catenary HV wire powering the truck via a pantograph? No thought not but you made a contribution to the discussion as did I so that is a nonsense argument and statement to make. I don't go in for conspiracy cases or knowingly spread FUD, but if someone tells me to jump I don't just do it or ask them how high etc, I prefer to ask why should I jump, what is the purpose and reason for me jumping rather them proving to them that I'm willing to do what ever they tell me to because I'm incapable of thinking for myself, hence why I said I like to know what is on the other side if the wall I'm being told to jump over rather than taking a leap of faith. It's called self-preservation, I know that nobody is going to take my well-being as seriously as I do, so why not look first, it's my life at risk not, theirs. Just because I don't see things in the same light as you do does not mean that I'm anti EV because I'm not as I have said many times now but you don't accept that. What I'm anti being is that we are being told that we will have no option after 2030 as ICE is going to be banned, and yet I see no evidence from those making those decisions that they are going to be leading by example for the reasons I have already stated today in other posts.

Again, you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I said here, the context is very important. On the first point you have just stated the same thing that I did for Norways private car fleet, 4 x 8 is 32, I never mentioned other surface traffic because as things are I assumed their trains were currently electric like ours and the fact that lorries are still currently diesel powered as are ships, so I stated only the figures for 100% electric cars and made comparisons based on that basis. Right now the world is adding massively to the whole global warming by still allowing massive high-powered large engined cars to be made and sold alongside the massive investment of electric cars. They have their own manufacturing plants and logistics all of which is adding more CO2 to the atmosphere when in a few years time we might discover that we had it wrong and that electric is just a bigger climate crisis as diesel has turned out to be. Whereas if we had perhaps limited the size and power of car engines we would have quickly reduced the emissions and given ourselves more time to fully explore the electric and other power sources in more detail and learnt how to handle the battery problems etc before committing ourselves to a system without the full knowledge and backup services, all of which are sadly lacking with electric cars as many garages refusing to touch them. However that has not happened so we are still producing these monsterly powerful pollution machines while simultaneously adding more emissions mining transporting and producing all the extra raw materials and the finished product around the world all extra to what we are already making with the making of ICE cars. Please listen, I'm like you, only pointing out the bleeding obvious without the added complication of actually owning one. Now I get it and fully understand that you happen to like what you have and you can enjoy cheaper motoring because of the investment you have made towards that aim. And without early adaptors like you, it takes longer to perfect things. Nuclear energy was also hailed as the way to go and electric was going to be so cheap they would be almost able to give it away, then they discovered that it was a lot more dangerous than they thought in the first place and now we are having problems dealing with the spent fuel rods which will remain highly active and deadly for around 100,000 years and there are loads of these across the planet, what legacy are we leaving for our children and grandchildren and their children for the next 100,000 years and maybe even longer. We could be running a risk with all the Lithium and Cobalt etc further adding to their problems. Where will the UK bury nuclear waste for 100,000 years? - BBC News I admit I don't know the answers, neither do you, but you are prepared to listen and do what you are told without questioning it, while I question it, does that make me a bad person because I want to look what is on the other side of the wall before making a leap of faith? Even though if we stop and think about it and look at the bad decisions made by people before that were perhaps too excited about what the engineers had told them and had then decided to press the go ahead button before we fully understood the all the implications of what that technology would present. You must admit that we have seen some pretty horrific outcomes, and there are still vast areas of the world that are too dangerous for us to live in or consume crops grown within those areas, through the radiation exposure. If I have not made my position clear enough to you, please lets not enter into you said, I said situation and pee everyone else off, let's just agree to disagree, there are other areas where we do agree and as always time will reveal who was right.

@Ootohereyes I agree, but they may have thought whats the point, the ICE is going to be dead before long and decided to chuck all of their development budget into the EV's before they also decided that was not going to happen, who really knows what the hell is going on, I don't, we can only make educated guesses and only the fullness of time will tell us if any of us were right or not.

If you want to live in a cramped 15 minute city and never needing to leave it, then fine be my guest and just be like all the other people toeing the line because they are told to. I doubt that you will find many if any of the top wealthy or important people willing to submit to such a life, they will no doubt be enjoying large palatial estates away from prying eyes living it up.

Think about it in more sensible manner instead forcing people into EVs, if restricting the engine sizes of cars to reflect the real world around them, that would make more sense, e,g, where in this country could you do 162mph legally on any road other than a racetrack, or indeed my car can do 137mph, but the legal limit is just 70mph, so why do I or anybody need that capability? My car emits just 107g/km 137mph but a V8 Range Rover is over 255g/km, 162mph and there are many similar cars on the road here in the UK chucking out way more pollution than my car does. Add in the mpg figures and yet even more savings to be had, that example Range Rover at best on a long run could with a bit of delicate foot work on the throttle return a figure of 24mpg, whereas mine has been doing 64mpg, so for every litre of fuel, my car can do almost 3 times as many miles while producing nearly 2.5 times less pollution, fact. and these points are totally ignored, if the worlds existence was totally dependant on such reductions, then ask your self in all honesty, why has nobody introduced these simple to make rule changes? Given the huge numbers of these status symbol cars we have in the UK all emitting similar figures, if they were to adopt engines like mine I really think that we could achieve far greater reductions. Norway if they had a 100% fleet of BEV, then their emissions reduction be 4 times the 8% with just 25% BEV fleet, so making a total of 32% (based on their own figures) There is no reason to doubt that we could achieve similar or better results without the additional loading globally with extra production and transportation of the electric vehicles which is currently adding to the total pollution levels worldwide alongside that for the existing production of ICE vehicles. Now that makes more sense to my mind and we could be still be working on solutions for and if the world runs out of fossil fuels, and if electric does turn out to be the best solution, we should also by then have learnt how to remove all the negative side effects of the batteries. Nobody needs to be an Einstein to see the bleeding obvious is stareing us in the face all the time. The wealthiest among us are the worst about caring for the planet, but are the ones most likely to rant on about it and expect those below them to give up everything and downsize their cars or use mass transit systems. Don't believe me, look at Royalty, top politicians and they way that they use helicopters, private jets even when going from London to Scotland etc Look at the these super yachts etc etc. They could take a leaf out of the business world and use zoom or similar for a lot of meetings.

Indeed, many companies are shifting the responsibility of sourcing a car in order to do your job, onto the employee and paying them an allowance to try and cover the lease payments, servicing and tyres, taxing and insurance becomes the employee's liability. The cars have to be approved by the company especially in a customer facing role so that a good image is projected of the company and the car always has to spotlessly clean inside and out and you have to ensure that you always have a suitable car at your disposal in the event of the car being serviced, repaired or having bodywork done as a result of an accident and all of these costs have to come out of your allowance. Fuel was covered by a fee per mile basis, which of course favoured staff with a rural part of the country to cover and penalised those, like myself who had the task of covering cities, mine was London. This was a large factor in my decision to take retirement as the company I was working for at the time were just introducing this system, I was over retirement age anyway and I did not want to take on a millstone around my neck potentially giving me a black hole in my budget (I'd done my number crunching), coupled with the fact that my face didn't fit with the new sales director who was gunning to oust me, I threw the towel in and quit, effectively retiring and purchased my old company car which had 3 months lease left on it, from the leasing company and got a decent deal.

Only a couple of times as the only other car at the time (might still be the same) that had that was the Rolls Royce and the reason why the Superb has that today, is because back in the day (1930s etc) they were used by Royalty and the Czechoslovak government ministers as official cars and the umbrella a nod back to those times, I read that in one of their early superb brochures. Škoda Superb (1934–1949) - Wikipedia

You can achieve similar results by encouraging motor makers to continue developing more efficient and cleaner engines like they have been doing and by reducing the maximum engine size that cars can have, which will by sheer definition drive down the levels of CO2 and all the NOX levels at the same time as well as making public transport fit for purpose and cost-effective by using joined up thinking rather than thinking how can we shift this onto the private sector all time when profits become the governing thing. Logic dictates if the services run where and when people need them, are cheap to access, comfortable, clean, frequent services covering the largest possible areas of any city/town thus reducing the amount of walking and waiting around in all kinds of weather, then more people would elect to use it. There would be far less wear and tear on the road surfaces so they would last longer and more frequent rural routes would also have the same effect of taking cars off the road so they only tended to be used for when the whole family need to go somewhere, or at hours when buses don't operate or on longer trips. Its a no-brainer, and that is exactly how it was when the buses were nationalised, these days the school run brings traffic to a crawl, that never used to happen, schools were more common and smaller than they are now, and they tended to have a very local catchment area, just a few streets away from the school, and you would be into the catchment area of another school, so most children walked to and from school, and those who came in from rural areas would have a school bus provided for them.

I can accept that view point, especially as all the companies I have worked for where I had a company car, they were replaced every 3 years, and in fact the last company did not like me selecting a Skoda because of the portrayed image of the company. That said however that whenever we need to move people about to attend dinners and other outside events following national sales meetings etc it was odd that the directors and senior management seemed to elect me as their driver in my Skoda Superb rather going in the far smaller Ford Mondeo's, BMW 2 series cars and the other popular cars Audi A4's, so I'm guess it was down to the increased internal space and the extended wheelbase providing a smoother ride. One thing is for sure, that they did appreciate the lower leasing costs of my Skodas, even though they had all the extra creature comforts that were not in the other cars because that would have pushed their cars beyond the budget boundaries, my cars were cheaper because they held their values better than the main stream ones as they were more common so their 2nd hand value was lower. As to taking a dim view if you had to take directors in your own personal car, then they if they don't like what you have, then they should provide you with a suitable company car

Interesting, I found an article that not only confirms what I already knew that Norway is the leading country in the big EV push but more interesting is that they are having second thoughts about it. What this has achieved and the lack of achievement at the same time. In 9 years, 2014 to 2023 the levels of CO2 emissions from road transport dropped by 8.3%, so not a huge drop. Also because of the incentives given, it favours the already well off and widened the gulf between the haves and have nots as the EV cars are out of the price range of affordability for the lower income families, etc. The well off went out and purchased EV cars in addition to their gas guzzling cars which they kept and in just a decade they discovered that the car ownership per capita had increased by 10% or more as the well off took advantage of the incentives to buy a second or more cars. Cities planners don't want people to be able to drive as it prevents them building high density housing with local facilities, removing the need for many journeys, instead opting to use mass transit systems. The country now has approximately 25% of all its cars being electric. Also what is interesting is that nearly everything I see and hear anywhere, states about the whole concept is to try and reach net-zero on CO2 emissions, not the levels of NOX etc, it is predominantly this country and the cities linked to the C40 cities organisation of which the London Mayor is the chairman, are fixated on air quality (which I have long suspected was more about raising revenue then anything else). The thing with cramming as many people into a high density environment as possible is that not only will people's lives be worse because of it, it makes it far easier for any enemy or terrorists to do massive damage to lots of people and infrastructure and should another epidemic like CV19 for instance happen, enable it to move through the population like a dose of salts. Could even lead to the use of chemical warfare by potential enemies with devastating results. Why Norway is rethinking its reliance on electric cars | Vox

Good job you noticed that, otherwise you could be paying the higher rate in the believe that you were getting the lower rate.

@Ootoherethats interesting, can you remember the name of the radio station and also the programs name at all? I'd like to listen to that.

I'm not denying that if you have the ability, the funds, the inclination and the space, the time etc to install these and enough of them, you could charge your car slowly, but that is not a practical solution for the vast majority of the population now is it, come on be sensible.

Sorry, but this is coming from a privileged point of view which is totally not a reflection of the true state of the country at all. This shows that there are far more cars on the road that older than the 5 years claimed above, therefore for most people, car ownership only becomes a reality with the cars being older than that figure of 5 years claimed. This site claims 41.4 million cars on the UK roads, with 13 million of those being 6 years old or younger (figures from SMMT), leaves 69% of cars being older than 6 years and that means then taking the figure you gave of 5 years, make the 69% pushing well into the high 7os percent mark or higher of all cars being older than 5 years. Another clear example of "haves" v "Have nots" The average UK vehicle is nine years old (revive-uk.com)