Hi all, after this being a discussion point in a number of different threads and after speaking to two CR170 owners in the last two days that have had no issues on their new Yeti CR170's despite doing lots of lower speed, shortish journeysI though I'd set up a poll to gain a wider understanding of the issues some are reporting with the CR170 and even the CR140 engine. I personally know four people that have had issues with their 170 tdi VAG powered cars resulting in return trips to the dealer but Im wondering if this is now not so much of an issue on the newer CR units or whether the Yeti's are too young to have enough miles on them to show up the issues.

Personally I think the CR170 is an excellent engine but cant help but think I would have experienced issues with my daily commute of 10 miles either way to work. Six of which is stop start upto 40mph and the rest is four miles at upto 70mph.

I guess I still dont fully understand just how long you have to maintain a higher speed (or revs) to burn off the accumulated soot on the DPF??

Thanks,

Lee

To quantify my vote of no issues (touch wood!) to date.

1300 miles total mileage.

Daily commute normally 15 miles each way, all on single carriage ways and much of it in 30 & 40 mph limits, plus 5 minutes of stop/start traffic in the evening.

Decent run out every couple of weeks minimum.

Always fed on BP Ultimate.

Edit to add that 10 days after I took delivery, normally attainable speeds have been nigh on halved thanks to the snow!

Edited 10 January, 201016 yr by aerofurb

Hi Lee,

DPF is new to me and like many I was a bit suspicious of it with all the horror stories floating about. This concern had lead me to hope for a 1.4TSI 4x4 as with the Tiguan but unfortunately not.

So I planned to go for the 1.8TSI instead until they released the prices; I was expecting like with the Scout the petrol would be considerably less than the 140 diesel but the measly £500 saving financially did not add up so 140 TDI CR DPF it had to be.

Now I have the 140 CR I am glad things worked out the way they did, as the 140 is a very flexible and willing engine; very linear power delivery, leagues ahead of the old PD. To be honest I'm surprised the DPF light hasn't been going 'nuts' particularly with this weather as even on long journeys I rarely sit near 2000rpm for long. Regularly find myself keeping her in Fifth while cruising along at 60 just to keep the revs up with the DPF in mind. With the Golf I would have been in sixth and 'ticking over', getting a bit of a 'Granddad driver' .

Would have quite enjoyed the 1.8TSI though as my favourite past car was a Octavia I 1.8 T 20V 4x4 hatchback, if there's any car I regret letting go that's the one; even though she didn't half lean in bends if you were going a bit quick

TP

Hi Lee,

DPF is new to me and like many I was a bit suspicious of it with all the horror stories floating about. This concern had lead me to hope for a 1.4TSI 4x4 as with the Tiguan but unfortunately not.

So I planned to go for the 1.8TSI instead until they released the prices; I was expecting like with the Scout the petrol would be considerably less than the 140 diesel but the measly £500 saving financially did not add up so 140 TDI CR DPF it had to be.

Now I have the 140 CR I am glad things worked out the way they did, as the 140 is a very flexible and willing engine; very linear power delivery, leagues ahead of the old PD. To be honest I'm surprised the DPF light hasn't been going 'nuts' particularly with this weather as even on long journeys I rarely sit near 2000rpm for long. Regularly find myself keeping her in Fifth while cruising along at 60 just to keep the revs up with the DPF in mind. With the Golf I would have been in sixth and 'ticking over', getting a bit of a 'Granddad driver' .

Would have quite enjoyed the 1.8TSI though as my favourite past car was a Octavia I 1.8 T 20V 4x4 hatchback, if there's any car I regret letting go that's the one; even though she didn't half lean in bends if you were going a bit quick

TP

Thanks for the responses guys.

Plumber - I have to say - one of my best cars was my 2002 Octavia 4x4 1.8T Elegance Hatch - wonderful engine (although quite different to the TSI in terms of design) and with brake, suspension and engine tweaks (to 230bhp) it not only went well, it also didnt have any traction issues in the wet/damp! Then having moved straight to the Octy Mk2 VRS with 330lb/ft and 285bhp power and fwd, Im desperate to get a half decent 4x4 system underneath me again!

I thought about the commute I did this morning on the way in (whilst sitting in the traffic!). I start of at 70mph for a few miles and then I didnt get above 15mph for a mile or so and it doesnt even get above 30mph on the way in after the traffic stint. On the way home each day is the only chance I would have to give it a clear out and that would be 60-70mph for about 2 miles - is this enough? I suspect no one can really answer that one so Im more inclined not to take the risk and stick with the order of a 1.8TSI.

Any more views very welcome. ANd if the person that voted that they do short journeys and have had issues it would be useful to hear what sort of issues they have had.

Thanks,

Lee

Plumber - I have to say - one of my best cars was my 2002 Octavia 4x4 1.8T Elegance Hatch - wonderful engine (although quite different to the TSI in terms of design) and with brake, suspension and engine tweaks (to 230bhp) it not only went well, it also didnt have any traction issues in the wet/damp! Then having moved straight to the Octy Mk2 VRS with 330lb/ft and 285bhp power and fwd, Im desperate to get a half decent 4x4 system underneath me again!

Thanks,

Lee

Yes mine also a 02 on a 52 but stock apart from after-market park sensors on the back. P/X'd her for a 05 55 Octavia II TDI Sport which was a nice car and much cheaper to run. Like yourself I missed the 4x4 and when I started to get DMF issues this gave me an excuse to change earlier than planned. Looked at the Scout as it was new on the market but the wife wasn't take by the Combi look after having hatchbacks so we ended up with a Golf TDI 4motion Sport.

Really liked the Golf but it was so low to the ground, regularly catching bits underneath particularly if we went off tarmac. So began the excuse again to look for something else. Considered a Tiguan from my local VW garage as they offer great customer service but in the end the much better Monster was calling

TP

Hi all, after this being a discussion point in a number of different threads and after speaking to two CR170 owners in the last two days that have had no issues on their new Yeti CR170's despite doing lots of lower speed, shortish journeysI though I'd set up a poll to gain a wider understanding of the issues some are reporting with the CR170 and even the CR140 engine. I personally know four people that have had issues with their 170 tdi VAG powered cars resulting in return trips to the dealer but Im wondering if this is now not so much of an issue on the newer CR units or whether the Yeti's are too young to have enough miles on them to show up the issues.

Personally I think the CR170 is an excellent engine but cant help but think I would have experienced issues with my daily commute of 10 miles either way to work. Six of which is stop start upto 40mph and the rest is four miles at upto 70mph.

I guess I still dont fully understand just how long you have to maintain a higher speed (or revs) to burn off the accumulated soot on the DPF??

Thanks,

Lee

Hi focus............., I bought the 170 without any knowledge of the DPF issues. Read an Auto Express mag. report on variable Diesel fuel quality and whether the extra cost of high performance variants make economic sense. The conclusion was not clear cut but users seemed to rate SHELL V POWER as the best in terms of soot and performance. Cos the DPF is all about soot I will err on the side of caution and take the hit at the pumps in the hope that it will save money in the long run........unless someone out there reads this and persuades me I'm a deluded saddo !

( p.s. I once killed a 1.6 petrol 1984 Passat engine I'd owned from new at approx. 80K which was oil changed every 6K and really looked after. It built up incredible crank case pressure and filled the air cleaner after 20 mls or so. Couldn't afford to investigate officially so got a replacement from a scrap yard which went much better than the other ever had ! The SLICK 50 which was added after 20K and again at about 60K didn't work in my case. That might explain why I'm a bit of a sceptic about some of the claims we come across.

I voted no problems and short journeys. I haves just tooled oround locally for a week and then a quick trip to CPH for a business trip to Sweden yesterday. I have not noticed any problems - no warninglights etc. On the other hand, at then end of the 100 km to the airport, the Yeti was a bit more lively than normal and the oil temperature stayed at 94 C.

On very short stop and go type of driving, the engine temp and oil tepmp tends to drop after idling for a short time.

My Octy 140 PD did not have a DPF, but after a lot of short trips, the soot built up in the rear muffler. If pushing it a bit, such as accelerating onto a motorway, you could lay down a nice black smokescreen behind for a few seconds.