What Dealer did you use? Good deal? cos I am rather tempted to order a Scout myself!

West end garage through in Livingston, Stuart the sales manager (i think he said his brother is the dealer principle, nice air to the place, everyone very nice. Other customers were being treated well) jumped straight into a good deal, no faffing about.

They've a scout with studded ice tyres on display out front. That cracked me up :-) proper go anywhere machine with those on!

I often encounter the known DSG problem (known among all brands of the VW group), the occasional juddering when engaging from 1st to 2nd, just after pulling off, or even when the car continues moving from an almost stand still but with the 2nd still engaged. OK, the TSI engines do have plenty of torque at very low RPMs and fuel efficiency is of most importance, yet the guys who programmed the DSGs should have in mind that the 2nd gear has to be engaged at a slightly higher RPM/speed, just to avoid that annoying judder which becomes even more intense when the engine-gearbox are fully warmed up.

It's the only "bad" point for me though, and I've practiced to fully overcome it. I've "categorized" the pulling off situations and for each one I follow a certain solution to avoid the juddering, i.e. "force" the engine select the 2nd at higher RPMs.

1) Generally normal pulling off without any obstacles or traffic ahead. Uphill pulling off.

"D" normally, a decisive depress on the throttle, which slightly increases, not easing at all until the 3rd or higher is engaged.

2) High traffic, continuous start-stop.

Switch to "tiptronic" and select 2nd only at 2000 rpm (the box won't accept it earlier, btw). Stay there even if you begin to slow down, the box will automatically reselect 1st when the RPMs fall about to 1000.

3) Crossing junctions with a STOP sign for me and the road condition poor.

As before (tiptronic, 2nd at 2000 rpm) but continue with "D" and let the box play alone.

4) Downhill pulling off.

Either tiptronic until the 2nd or "D" from the start but with the smoothest pressure on the throttle. In this case the 2nd will be selected almost immediately by the box so don't overdo it with the throttle.

Apart from this, DSG is just what makes me smile happily while driving. Unbelievably quick changes, especially downshifts when accelerating sharply, great behaviour on curvy mountain roads, engine-braking (3rd or 4th) on steep downhills. So I really don't mind if I have to occasionally switch to tiptronic while in the city traffic, even a judder now and then does not make me angry.

Thanks for sharing that GiannisB.

I've now got the car and done a couple of hundred miles. I was fretting over nothing. DSG is the best, works so well and so smoothly, it's incredible.

Whats the longevity of a dsg box any owners with mega miles on a 1.9 tdi???

I often encounter the known DSG problem (known among all brands of the VW group), the occasional juddering when engaging from 1st to 2nd, just after pulling off, or even when the car continues moving from an almost stand still but with the 2nd still engaged. OK, the TSI engines do have plenty of torque at very low RPMs and fuel efficiency is of most importance, yet the guys who programmed the DSGs should have in mind that the 2nd gear has to be engaged at a slightly higher RPM/speed, just to avoid that annoying judder which becomes even more intense when the engine-gearbox are fully warmed up.

It's the only "bad" point for me though, and I've practiced to fully overcome it. I've "categorized" the pulling off situations and for each one I follow a certain solution to avoid the juddering, i.e. "force" the engine select the 2nd at higher RPMs.

1) Generally normal pulling off without any obstacles or traffic ahead. Uphill pulling off.

"D" normally, a decisive depress on the throttle, which slightly increases, not easing at all until the 3rd or higher is engaged.

2) High traffic, continuous start-stop.

Switch to "tiptronic" and select 2nd only at 2000 rpm (the box won't accept it earlier, btw). Stay there even if you begin to slow down, the box will automatically reselect 1st when the RPMs fall about to 1000.

3) Crossing junctions with a STOP sign for me and the road condition poor.

As before (tiptronic, 2nd at 2000 rpm) but continue with "D" and let the box play alone.

4) Downhill pulling off.

Either tiptronic until the 2nd or "D" from the start but with the smoothest pressure on the throttle. In this case the 2nd will be selected almost immediately by the box so don't overdo it with the throttle.

Apart from this, DSG is just what makes me smile happily while driving. Unbelievably quick changes, especially downshifts when accelerating sharply, great behaviour on curvy mountain roads, engine-braking (3rd or 4th) on steep downhills. So I really don't mind if I have to occasionally switch to tiptronic while in the city traffic, even a judder now and then does not make me angry.

That is pretty much what I have found and almost the same as the driving method I have adopted - using Tiptronic or S mode to hold 1st longer when driving in traffic, especially where a quick decisive dash for a gap is required at a junction.

I don't get juddering but more a slight hesitation because it goes into 2nd far too early, then decides to change down again for more acceleration when you decide to go for it.

To show just how early the 7 speed box changes 1st to 2nd let the car move off on the flat in "D" with your foot off the throttle - before you have moved 5 yards and with the speedo barely registering, it will select 2nd.

The real-life effect of this is noticed if you are in a line of traffic queueing up to a roundabout. The traffic never quite stops so you trickle along at 2 or 3 mph in 2nd. It is your turn to enter the roundabout and you spot your gap and go for it. That is when you get the 1st gear 2nd gear dither! As you hit the throttle it drops to 1st (after having 3rd ready?) then in no time at all changes back to 2nd - all in fracions of seconds that seems longer than it probably is but long enough for you to react by pressing the throttle a bit harder causing it to change down to 1st again and set off like a scalded cat!

This is where your "decisive depress on the throttle" is needed - not a gentle gradual increase in throttle but stab to where you want it to be!

After 5000 miles with mine that is what I have learned - it is all about throttle control!

Edited 7 March, 201115 yr by eccleshill

Glad to share my experience and help

I hope the DSG box is quite hardly tested for some years now and no one of us will have severe problems, we'll see. Until then we enjoy the easiest ride without sacrificing a bit of vividness, as it was happening with the planetary automatics. It's almost unbelievable to think that this automatic transmission is in fact more vivid and quick from the most traditional manual ones.

This is where your "decisive depress on the throttle" is needed - not a gentle gradual increase in throttle but stab to where you want it to be!

After 5000 miles with mine that is what I have learned - it is all about throttle control!

That's exactly what the manual should write too. A new "DSG driver" has to forget what he knew when driving with the manual gearbox and practice an almost completely different relation with the throttle pedal.

To be honest, before buying the car a dealer had told me that I will discover myself the usefulness of the tiptronic mode, especially in heavy traffic conditions. Now I realize what he meant.

Edited 7 March, 201115 yr by GiannisB

Any pics of your new car Craig?

Any pics of your new car Craig?

Pics will be near enough like looking in a mirror at yours ;-) Well, body's different and mine isn't as loooooooow yet Here's some from a phone:

That interior pic was taken after i'd taken the dash all apart and put it back together again after fitting MDI + ipod lead in the ashtray in front of the gear stick, Bluetooth, SatNav in the top box.

You'd never know i'd been at it

Edited 7 March, 201115 yr by Mute

Whats the longevity of a dsg box any owners with mega miles on a 1.9 tdi???

371,000kms on a 2.0tdi

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Edited 18 May, 201214 yr by Tim31