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I actually think the m3 would destroy a stage 1 vrs. I've been in a few, plus the latest one and it's a whole different level.

The 3.2 M3 wouldn't as I've seen a stage 2 gti beat one therefore a stage 1 would be similar.

I actually think the m3 would destroy a stage 1 vrs. I've been in a few, plus the latest one and it's a whole different level.

The power delivery of both are quite different. New M3 is very toppy, the vRS has power all the way through.

Yes this is true. Again back to area under curve the vrs gets to higher bhp quicker and holds it whereas the M3 keeps going. By which time at legal speeds the cars would be very close.

Btw I'm talking E46 not E92

The biggest problem I have is just getting the power down, The last couple of days have been a nightmare. I've just swapped to winter tyres (continental wintercontacts) and have really been struggling to press the accellerator more than half way without losing traction. Anyone else had similar?

Anyway I know my next car will have to be 4wd or rwd. In fact I'm 90% sure its going to be the Nissan GTR.

Started saving already, reckon if I can get £10k for the vRS in 12 months, its another £26k to change for a good one. Wow supercar perfomance for family hatch / sml exec money!!

Mentioned it to swmbo the other week and she didn't throw a wobbly, so thats sorted then!

The biggest problem I have is just getting the power down, The last couple of days have been a nightmare. I've just swapped to winter tyres (continental wintercontacts) and have really been struggling to press the accellerator more than half way without losing traction. Anyone else had similar?

Yes. With my revised Shark Stage 1 map has the car has been struggling to put its power down on worn summer tyres and now its new winters. As a result I've put my stock map back on the car. No issues now.. I think i'll stick with this until the spring.

I've been talking about the gtr for Years. One went for 29k last week. Cheapest in the country now is around 34k. Though I haven't checked today yet . . .

The 3.2 M3 wouldn't as I've seen a stage 2 gti beat one therefore a stage 1 would be similar.

A stage 1 VRS might be able to match an E46 M3 in a straight line, but it can't match the induction and exhaust noise or the steering and handling of the M3.

The best handling and most fun car I've ever owned only had 220bhp (E30 M3 Evolution II) and would probably be matched in a straight line by a standard VRS, but given a windy stretch of road, the M3 would leave the VRS for dead.

Even with a stage 1 upgrade the Octy shouldn't be able to keep up with a well driven S5, most of this is due to traction but also because the s5 is just a quicker car - period.

I own a petrol Vrs but prior to this had a V8 S4 avant (similar engine to the S5) and that would anhialate my Vrs. I have just ordered an S4 (V6) and had the chance to compare them when I had one on loan for a weekend. My wife was in the S4 while I struggled (acceleration and traction wise) to keep up in my Octy within legal speeds and according to her she wasn't even pushing the audi.

While i love the Vrs and agree that it's an agile and quick car - it's not that quick.

Sorry.

Well either my stage 1 is really good or the S5 had something wrong. I've raced a 4.2 S4 in a straight line and he couldn't leave me up until 80. Please bear in mind this is all rolling start from about 30. Off the line I know the Audis will nail me.

I've been talking about the gtr for Years. One went for 29k last week. Cheapest in the country now is around 34k. Though I haven't checked today yet . . .

I could sacrifice my vRS for a GTR but SWMBO would make me swap it back again. GTR is a brilliant car but looks like a dogs bum.

Well either my stage 1 is really good or the S5 had something wrong. I've raced a 4.2 S4 in a straight line and he couldn't leave me up until 80. Please bear in mind this is all rolling start from about 30. Off the line I know the Audis will nail me.

Your stage 1 will be good, as is the octy but if both cars are in the optimum gear then ths S5 will be quicker. The thing I found with the S4 (V8) was that you really need to rev it to get the best out of it and the S5 will need a bit more due to its FSI head where as the Vrs in any state of tune are torquey right the way up to the red line.

Get an S5 and keep the vRs then you'll have all basis covered !

Your stage 1 will be good, as is the octy but if both cars are in the optimum gear then ths S5 will be quicker. The thing I found with the S4 (V8) was that you really need to rev it to get the best out of it and the S5 will need a bit more due to its FSI head where as the Vrs in any state of tune are torquey right the way up to the red line.

Get an S5 and keep the vRs then you'll have all basis covered !

I'm only 26 and can only afford one!

I'm only 26 and can only afford one!

I'm ONLY 38 and can only afford one!!

What i will say to you is that the reason i got rid of my S4 was due to the £400 to £500 per month it was costing me in fuel, so whatever you get factor in the running costs as that for me was more important than which was the fastest.

Sounded like my dad then!

Even with a stage 1 upgrade the Octy shouldn't be able to keep up with a well driven S5, most of this is due to traction but also because the s5 is just a quicker car - period.

I own a petrol Vrs but prior to this had a V8 S4 avant (similar engine to the S5) and that would anhialate my Vrs. I have just ordered an S4 (V6) and had the chance to compare them when I had one on loan for a weekend. My wife was in the S4 while I struggled (acceleration and traction wise) to keep up in my Octy within legal speeds and according to her she wasn't even pushing the audi.

While i love the Vrs and agree that it's an agile and quick car - it's not that quick.

Sorry.

Sorry but disagree, from a rolling start above 40ish or so where traction is less of an issue for the vRS I don't believe there would be much in it due to the similar power/torque to weight ratios. I followed an S5 V6 some weeks ago and it couldn't pull away from me. I've been surprised by the other things mine has kept with including a Focus RS (Mk2).

I'm running Revo stage 1 on performance mode 2.

It is very surprising, that's why I started this thread. Just in the corners and off the line where we struggle

I must say though I am tempted by the s4 avant for all round ability.

tbh this is a very one sided story. As much as I love my VRS, it will not keep up with a fast Audi. We know the facts on the VRS but we don't know the story with the Audi; chances are he wasn't even pushing it, and if he was something was either up or he was staying out of the higher rpms. Lets not also forget that foot down thirty dash is one thing (was one driver in gear expecting a race?) but when it comes to the twisties the VRS would also get left behind. There is nothing special about a brief rolling thrash down the road against another car, it certainly doesn't prove the VRS is better. I've come from faster things to the VRS, it is a very good all rounder, but is not in the same league as an S4/S5. Sorry.

I'm also shopping for a GTR in the future, and what I would say is don't go after the cheapest car going. A mid 30k (or less!) GTR spells trouble - wait until the good ones have come down in price a bit, average used price for a good car is still around 40 give or take....

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tbh this is a very one sided story. As much as I love my VRS, it will not keep up with a fast Audi. We know the facts on the VRS but we don't know the story with the Audi; chances are he wasn't even pushing it, and if he was something was either up or he was staying out of the higher rpms. Lets not also forget that foot down thirty dash is one thing (was one driver in gear expecting a race?) but when it comes to the twisties the VRS would also get left behind. There is nothing special about a brief rolling thrash down the road against another car, it certainly doesn't prove the VRS is better. I've come from faster things to the VRS, it is a very good all rounder, but is not in the same league as an S4/S5. Sorry.

I'm also shopping for a GTR in the future, and what I would say is don't go after the cheapest car going. A mid 30k (or less!) GTR spells trouble - wait until the good ones have come down in price a bit, average used price for a good car is still around 40 give or take....

Bloody hell. I have only ever talked about rolling start that the S5 didn't feel quicker than the stage 1 vrs and that I've kept with an S4 from a rolling start. To clear things up so I don't get the same comment again. I have a degree in engineering and I understand all the simple and complex principles so I fully understand the vrs won't win in a proper race.

I thrashed the S5 in 2nd and 3rd all the way to about 6500-7000 rpm. In these gears the S5 FELT slower but in reality was as quick as the stage 1 vrs. Before I went I was fully committed to buying the S5 until the power thing let me down. Hence why I may go RS4 or wait another year and get a GTR. I know that most Audis are better, this thread isn't about interior or options or 4WD bla bla bla. It is about my experience power wise in the S5 and comparing it to the mid-range of the TSI at stage 1. Actually the steering wheel felt nicer in the vrs other than that I know the S5 is a nicer car. I only wanted a bit more power for the money. Can't have it all I guess.

Seems to be a lot of doubters on here and I can't understand why. Also a lot of people not reading the thread before making the same comment as someone a few posts ago.

what is the difference between a TFSI and a TSI engine and their tuning potential. any info you can send me would be really appreciated. thanks

tbh this is a very one sided story. As much as I love my VRS, it will not keep up with a fast Audi. We know the facts on the VRS but we don't know the story with the Audi; chances are he wasn't even pushing it, and if he was something was either up or he was staying out of the higher rpms. Lets not also forget that foot down thirty dash is one thing (was one driver in gear expecting a race?) but when it comes to the twisties the VRS would also get left behind. There is nothing special about a brief rolling thrash down the road against another car, it certainly doesn't prove the VRS is better. I've come from faster things to the VRS, it is a very good all rounder, but is not in the same league as an S4/S5. Sorry.

I'm also shopping for a GTR in the future, and what I would say is don't go after the cheapest car going. A mid 30k (or less!) GTR spells trouble - wait until the good ones have come down in price a bit, average used price for a good car is still around 40 give or take....

Like my vRS I certainly won't be going for the cheapest GTR. Another year down the road I reckon a 'good' one will be mid £30k's

However I did see one currently on Autotrader for £36k om a '09 plate with £8k on the clock, and looks immac.

That said you can only check these things first hand, adverts can bull things up a lot.

With regards the S5, my mate has a mapped S4 with a few other mods (forget exact figures but about 400bhp) and he leaves me for dust, and i'm running exactly the same map as Nicky, and yes it is quick (RR'd at Shark 254 bhp and 325lb) Thing is we have had many runs for comparison, and whilst I have had the jump on him a few times, on balance I'm a distant second! sorry!

Of course he leaves you it's been mapped and is running 50bhp more than stock!

tbh this is a very one sided story. As much as I love my VRS, it will not keep up with a fast Audi. We know the facts on the VRS but we don't know the story with the Audi; chances are he wasn't even pushing it, and if he was something was either up or he was staying out of the higher rpms. Lets not also forget that foot down thirty dash is one thing (was one driver in gear expecting a race?) but when it comes to the twisties the VRS would also get left behind. There is nothing special about a brief rolling thrash down the road against another car, it certainly doesn't prove the VRS is better. I've come from faster things to the VRS, it is a very good all rounder, but is not in the same league as an S4/S5. Sorry.

I'm also shopping for a GTR in the future, and what I would say is don't go after the cheapest car going. A mid 30k (or less!) GTR spells trouble - wait until the good ones have come down in price a bit, average used price for a good car is still around 40 give or take....

No one was ever saying that a stage 1 vRS was in the same league as an S4/S5 or better, or that on the twisties it wouldn't get left behind. The point was about being it comparable (no one ever said it was quicker/better etc!) at straight line speed from a rolling start, which given similar power to weight rations isn't a surprise.