Hi

I want to buy the 2.0 tdi , 140hp, but I have some questions

1) How are the noise levels compared with the 105 hp engine ? I heard some people say the 2.0 is a newer engine and is or should be more quiet, other saying is the same or louder than the 1.9...So I'm very puzzled ? Also how is the 2.0 compared in terms of noise with the old 130hp engine ?

Is 2.0 engine loud inside of the car if you are not listening to radio ? I only driven so far petrol engines and I'm concern that the sounds will drive me crazy ?

2)I read a review saying the 2.0 tdi on the octavia isn't very linear or smooth, I mean the review said you have no power at all then when the turbine kicks in you get a catapult or something like that....this is very concerning for me since the car will be driven by my wife too and she's a beginner.

Can some 2.0 tdi owners (with manual transmission maybe) give me some opinions ? Is the engine smooth ? Can it be driven with slow speeds without the "catapult" ?

Here is the review , he also said he found the same problem in the Alteea but not in the A3 or Golf5 with the same engine.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/?id=132

thank you

Another wonderfully inaccurate review from the seemingly worshipped "honest" john. What car was he driving to do 100 at 3000 rpm? Even the pictures show the speedo reading 80 at 2900. Anyway....

Yes, the diesel engine is loud, as is the road noise, and the wind noise. This is the worst aspect of the car for me, as i'm used to audi noise levels.

Yes, the engine has no power much under 2000rpm, and then all the power at once. It still catches me out occasionally, and it's very difficult to drive slowly. Quite how the golf and the a3 don't have the same problem on an identical engine must be another one of John's observations from his extensive experiance of the motor industry. Or maybe he's just plain wrong... again. It's no worse than the surge in the 130, just with 10 more horsepower. Any turbo engine will have the same characteristics. It's not a problem from a safety point of view, as the traction control will save even the most muppet footed driver. It's front wheel drive so not much can go wrong with wheelspin anyway.

a well mapped car won't surge in suddenly, it will bring the power in gradually

Bengie, yes that's what I heard that the new PD-s and mostly the 2.0 have a lot more lineraity and smoothes than the old tdi-s or old pds (like the 130hp), that's why I found that review concerning.

agent006, so you are saying in town, is hard to drive the 2.0 tdi slowly ? especially if it's high traffic ?

In this case I don't know what to do, I will drive the car mostly in the towon but I want to keep this car a good number of years that's why I wanted a more powerfull and newer engine...

I tried a manual 1.9 and a DSG 2.0 diesel. The 2.0 was quieter than the 1.9 and was very smooth and quick. It might have ben the DSG gearbox, of course, but the 2,0 is a more modern engine than the 1.9 and having tested both the Audi (2.0) and VW Golf (1.9) I don't believe the Skoda's were any different at all in noisiness inside or outside the cabin. I also tried a Mercedes Benz 220 diesel and that was a bit quieter at cruising speed (but only a tad) but noisier under acceleration and normal driving.

Generally at 'tick-over' the 2.0 growled while the 1.9 clacked!

Best advice - get the DSG, it's brilliant and removes any problems with peaky power delivery. I did!

thanks Expatman, ...I don't have the money for the dsg :( barley have the money to buy the 140 engine, but I am curios what other 2.0 owners or testers can say about it's noise and smoothness especially with the manual transmission.

thanks Expatman, ...I don't have the money for the dsg :( barley have the money to buy the 140 engine, but I am curios what other 2.0 owners or testers can say about it's noise and smoothness especially with the manual transmission.

I have a manual 2.0 TDi and find it excellent. My wife is a fairly nervous driver and has had no problem adapting to driving it. The surge is there, but in my opinion only if you drive it hard. It is most noticeable when you are in 2nd gear. If, as my wife does, you change gear early in the rev range, then the surge does not happen but as a previous author writes, the traction control is effective. Driving round town is no problem and neither my wife nor I have found it difficult. Fuel economy is excellent. On my (mostly dual carriageway) journey to work, I always get between 52-54 mpg and on journeys on slower A or B roads (travelling at about 60mph) the economy is usually over 60mpg. I have found wind noise to be a slight problem (see other thread in this forum) and the car has been back to Skoda. They fixed it for a couple of days, but now the noise is back. Other than this specific problem, I find the noise in the cabin to be acceptable (however, I have never been in any more luxurious cars to make a comparison). The stereo (stream in my Octy) is excellent so drowns out any noise anyway. The gearbox is excellent and precise and I have found no problems adapting to six gears.

Overall, I am extremely pleased with my Octy and would highly recommend the 140 to anyone, especially at the bargain price that the nearly new ones sell for (Ambiente 890 miles -

I would agree with the above statement. I have the 2.0 tdi estate manual and find it great, even in traffic. The revs can be kept low so no surging and rolling in first gear is no problem. I also find that revving the engine more a using a light throttle gives a very smooth and relaxed drive. Can't say I have noticed surging as it's all down to the throttle control and mine seems very well set up. It will give you a kick if you stamp on the throttle but I wouldn't expect anything difference with having so much torque low down. Best advice it to take a 24 hour test drive and see for yourself.

I've got the 2.0TDi with DSG. I test drove a 1.9 and the 2.0, and found the 1.9 to be a lot noisier at low speeds. However, both of them were quieter than my previous 1.9 Superb. In the end I knew that I'd always have felt that I'd got 'second best' with the 1.9, and spent the extra on the 2.0 - I've never regretted it, it's a fantastic engine.

As far as the power delivery is concerned, there is a definite surge, but if your wife is nervous and isn't booting it, then I don't think she'll have a problem with it. The one thing that I still find unnerving though is that you can be caught out in a non-turbo 'hole' when trying to make a swift getaway. For example, approach a junction slowly (DSG changes down to second), see it's clear and hit the gas - long pause before you get a sudden rush of power. It is a second gear thing - much as in the manual. Don't like it, but it's a fact of living with a turbo - the Superb and my old Octy RS were just the same.

I have a 2.0TDi Elegance having moved from a Honda Accord 2.0 SE Executive Pretrol and can't say I notice the noise difference. However I do do a lot of motorway driving so the car is constantly stuck in 6th gear.

Only real noise is on startup and warming up, but not as bad as I thought it would be and a lot quieter than the neighours Mondeo, and the RAC mans van across the road

Ok, thanks for all the answers.

So basically you are saying that this engine can be driven slow and nice like any other engine and a beginner as my wife would not have so much trouble in slow traffic, no ?

Ok' date=' thanks for all the answers.

So basically you are saying that this engine can be driven slow and nice like any other engine and a beginner as my wife would not have so much trouble in slow traffic, no ? [/quote']

I think that is a fair conclusion, however as they say: "the proof of the pudding is in the eating!". Get her to test drive it and see what she thinks.

Hi,

I have the 2.0 DSG and I would say that this eliminates almost all surge and permits smooth petrol like acceleration right through the gear range. The only time you really get a 'surge' is if you suddenly accelerate very heavily; if you accelerate progressively it remains very smooth.

In terms of noise levels, I consider the interior engine noise to be quieter than on my Superb (1.9TDi), particularly under heavy acceleration.

If you are concerned about noise levels you should worry more about road noise from the tyres rather than the engine. I have the sports suspension and 17" wheels and suspect this significantly increases road noise on some road surfaces - I would recommend trying to get a test drive on the regular suspension/wheel set-up as well as the sports, if sports suspension is something you are also considering. That said, I am happy to put-up with occasional higher road noise in exchange for improved nice handling.

I have a new Octy II Elegance 2.0 TDi, and both my wife and I drive it.

I agree it can be a bit peaky in second gear, but it is very easy to drive smoothly, unless you want to giving it some right foot action. When you do need the power, it is impressive and progressive from third onwards, before you know it, 80-90mph comes up very swiftly. The 1.9 is smooth but lacks the grunt of the 2.0, and I don't think it is quite so refined... but i am no expert, and bias as I think the 2.0 is a great engine.

My background is in petrol cars, and getting used to the slight lag in second gear didn't take long as you just need to keep the revs up a bit more on take off.

go for the 2.0, I have no problem driving smoothly or when the mood takes "giveing it some wellie" the car is caperable to be driven how you want to drive it.

I'm not a big diesel fan but having driven a lot of miles in the Golf Mk IV 1.9 PD130 and the Audi A4 2.0 PD140 I found the 2.0 to be both smoother and quieter than the 1.9. It really is a doddle to drive (although I did stall the 2.0 twice this weekend when parking in 2nd gear - incredible, I know)

Thanks for the answers, I will go for the 140

Go for the DSG version: ignore Honest John, and look at the "What Car" reviews of the car for a totally accurate critique. The DSG 'box perfectly complements the smooth 2.0 diesel, and there is no sense of the sudden "surge" of power which can be experienced with the manual version when the turbocharger kicks in at 1750. Around town it is totally tractable and docile. The only criticism (from my wife) is that, being shorter, she has difficulty parallel parking due to restricted visibility rearwards with the high seat backs. She has not yet mastered the visual parking sensor display on the dashboard.........

All in all, a much more "fun" car to drive than the 1.9, but with just as much docility when required.

Iain

thanks Iain Shore but I cannot afford the DSG...already my budget is stretch to the limit :(