Today I received one for speeding. 45 in a 30. (I'm aware of the socially acceptable stuff on the other thread, and I made a post myself about it)

The location from a bit of Googling is known for speed enforment, and the road looking like a NSL when it's actually 30.

 

Yup guilty, accept whatever punishment coming my way.

 

Looks like I'm above the threshold for a speed awareness course (Thames Valley is 42mph is the upper margin for that), but low enough not to be going directly to the courts.

 

Am I right in thinking I should expect 3 points and £100 fine, and not offered a speed awareness course.

 

Currently no points on my licence and have been driving for 4 years.

 

Please no flaming, I'm aware of what I have done, and I'm learning the lesson through my pocket.

Not interested in finding a way out of this.

 

Also as far as I know I would have to declare the SP30 for up to 5 years for insurance too?

It depends whereabouts the incident took place, some counties don't offer the awareness course at all, and others have different limits, although I should have thought that 15 mph over the speed limit will be beyond the awareness course level anyway.

Yes, you will almost certainly be offered a standard 3 point and £100 fine, and you'll have to disclose it for 5 years.

Thanks, just as I expected.

Bit confused here ( maybe I'm thick )

 

You have receive a NIP for speeding, 45 in a 30.  Has your punishment not also been disclosed or are you going to be sent to court or are you awaiting your fate?

The nip doesnt state the punishment. Just a request for driver details at this stage.

NIP is for confirming the identity of the driver at the time of the offence. Provides details of what it was for, where and when, to help assist the owner to know who was driving.

 

I will send it back, and then await my fate.

The nip doesnt state the punishment. Just a request for driver details at this stage.

 

 

NIP is for confirming the identity of the driver at the time of the offence. Provides details of what it was for, where and when, to help assist the owner to know who was driving.

 

I will send it back, and then await my fate.

 

Thanks for the Info.

 

Don't wish to Alarm you but n my iece got done last year, she was 29 years old and was clocked at 49 MPH in a 30 by an unseen Gatso, ( her fault for not paying attention ) she was sent to court, £400 + 6 points

Hi

 

Different areas have different policies, for example West Yorkshire have a policy of prosecution when 10% plus 2mph over the speed limit, so 35 in a 30, 46 in a 40, you get the picture.

 

My wife was recently caught by a mobile van over the 30mph limit and she initially faced 3 points and a £100 fine but because she had no more than 3 points on her licence within the last 3 years she was offered a speed awareness course at a cost of £75, but without incurring the points on her licence.

 

I didn't read the policy re the course and don't know if there were other factors to prevent eligibility for the course, e.g. a threshold above the speed limit (in your case 45 in a 30).

 

I would imagine you should be eligible because 45 in a 30 is likley to be dealt with by way of penalty points and not considered high enough to be taken to court.

 

The courts are rammed and if you can be dealt with in any other way it will be done.  Don't quote me but I expect you'll receive an offer of a driving course and, if you do, take because everyone can learn something from these, my wife said hers was extremely well run and you'll save money to boot!

 

Let us know the outcome.

 

Regards

 

Chubbs

45 is much too high for an awareness course.

For factual evidential based advice get on pepipoo.

You are most likely looking at 3 points and £100 fine

The recommended upper limit for a speed awareness course is +10% + 9 mph, so in a 30 limit is 30 + 3 + 9 = 42. At 45 you will be too high for an Awareness Course.

 

The suggested speed in a 30 limit for summons to a Magistrates Court is 50 mph.

 

As you fall between these 2 limits the likely penalty will be 3 points plus £100

Thanks for the Info.

 

Don't wish to Alarm you but n my iece got done last year, she was 29 years old and was clocked at 49 MPH in a 30 by an unseen Gatso, ( her fault for not paying attention ) she was sent to court, £400 + 6 points

 

No problem. Reading about, the maximum for a fixed penalty notice is 3 points and £100, therefore it is only the courts that put up to 6 points, and up to £1000 fine. From what I have read it is about the 50mph mark when you cannot be dealt with through a fixed penalty.

 

 

Hi

 

Different areas have different policies, for example West Yorkshire have a policy of prosecution when 10% plus 2mph over the speed limit, so 35 in a 30, 46 in a 40, you get the picture.

 

My wife was recently caught by a mobile van over the 30mph limit and she initially faced 3 points and a £100 fine but because she had no more than 3 points on her licence within the last 3 years she was offered a speed awareness course at a cost of £75, but without incurring the points on her licence.

 

I didn't read the policy re the course and don't know if there were other factors to prevent eligibility for the course, e.g. a threshold above the speed limit (in your case 45 in a 30).

 

I would imagine you should be eligible because 45 in a 30 is likley to be dealt with by way of penalty points and not considered high enough to be taken to court.

 

The courts are rammed and if you can be dealt with in any other way it will be done.  Don't quote me but I expect you'll receive an offer of a driving course and, if you do, take because everyone can learn something from these, my wife said hers was extremely well run and you'll save money to boot!

 

Let us know the outcome.

 

Regards

 

Chubbs

That's the same thoughts me then.

 

If I am very lucky I will get a speed awareness course, which will mean a 2 hour trip to Oxfordshire, costs of fuel, course and taking a day off work. I've already informed work that I have a letter, as I need a car for getting to and from work, as well as business use on the odd occasion.

 

I do remember the road that I was on, as it was only half a mile from a client who I was driving to for work, and I will find out whether 2 other colleagues were also caught on the same road at a similar time.

Coming out of the town towards countryside, the road was opening up hence why I probably didn't hold back.

 

Driving home this evening has made me speed limits a bit more anyway, and naturally annoyed at myself.

 

I am curious enough to want the evidence to see how I was caught anyway. I appreciate the work the police do in general. I don't remember at the time seeing anything obvious at the time, otherwise it wouldn't have been so much of a surprise.

 

Would they actually provide any evidence even if you're just pleading guilty?

Again, it sounds as though different areas have different policies re evidence - some provide photographic evidence with the NIP to prevent any disputes and prevent your other half taking the points on your behalf!  You could always request it and see what they say.  If they just 'offer' you the fixed penalty as opposed a court appearance and you agree to this then you will not get sight of it, if they haven't alrwady done so.

 

Regards

With your NIP you'll also get the opportunity of viewing "their" evidence via t'interweb. At least that's what GMP do. It should also say automatically that the equipment has been calibrated before they started the enforcement period on that particular day so you can't argue that one, either.

Just reading the NIP again, and it says Exceed 30MPH (Attended)

Reading what the Attended means someone was in control of the device, rather than being automated camera. Therefore it's very unlikely to be a picture, and only going to be about calibrations anyway.

 

Oh well curiosity anyway.

 

It does say on the form when providing details on whether you would consider a speed awareness course if one was offered.

 

One thing that does bug me though is that you cannot process it online, like you could with a parking ticket, taxing a car online or similar. Wouldn't this make the process much quicker and easier?

With GMP you can pay on line but can't do the rest. Seems a bit mad tbh but they do have to see your licence and endorse it, with their compliments....of course !

You were caught by a Camera Van, the equipment is supervised by an operator, hence the description of it being Attended, as opposed to a fixed, automatic Gatso or similar.

They park these in lay-bys, on overbridges etc. By the time you see them, they have already clocked and recorded you.

 

These take photos, whether you can see these online depends on the local policy e.g. Gloucestershire Police include a web site address for you to view it, last time I was caught by Thames Valley, they didn't.

 

The NIP is, as you said, is just to confirm who was driving. The "offer" of a speed awareness course is just for you to confirm if you would accept one if actually offered.

It is not automatic and is dependent on your speed as above. You will almost certainly NOT be offered one at 45 in a 30 zone.

 

If you are, and you are allocated to Oxford or wherever, you can request to be transferred to a nearer location - I did mine in C'ham instead of Abingdon.

 

(Incidentally, where was it - in my experience Thames Valley are one of the worst areas for camera vans in sneaky places)

I got caught in Aynho Rd, Adderbury going away from the town. (Based on the time of the offence)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.018789,-1.307693,3a,75y,94.82h,88.53t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7mLP9AQkkbtk8XDQJOSR5Q!2e0?hl=en

The 30 zone goes on for about a mile, then changes to a 40, and from memory a NSL later on. I only went part way down the road anyway.

 

A bit of interesting reading I found earlier was this: http://krmcbe.com/2013/06/05/daylight-robbery-in-adderbury/

 

Sounds like it's a common one, and known for being a bit sneaky. Oh well!

 

I had just driven from Bristol, picking up someone from Stroud en route.

If you are offered a Speed Awareness Course, you should be able to do it in Avon & Somerset (several locations in the Bristol area, Weston-Super-Mare, Bridgwater, Taunton and Yeovil).  It will cost you £80.

In Hampshire they allow you 10% + 1mph, I got clocked doing a jaw shattering speed 34mph in a 30 zone driving a 650bhp audi back to my workshop which had a broken speedo and got given a speed awareness course, even the people teaching the course were mystified as to how it happened, I should have just slipped though the net with that one!! but they did say you can only be considered for it once in every 5 year period too, I've never been so bored in my entire life.

Camera vans video "the offence" but may only issue stills of this.

The operator must firstly form an opinion of speeding before using the equipment. They won't check each and every vehicle however digital equipment is coming which will allow every vehicle to be monitored that passes the van

 I've never been so bored in my entire life.

 

Pity. Most people I've dealt with through the IAM do actually learn something. But then, they take the course to be a better driver.