Remap

[Andyvrsmk1]

Hi Guys I live in Southampton and own a Mk 1 fabia PD130 vrs.

 

Looking to get a remap anywhere you'd recommend? Also will a remap increase mpg, I don't plan on having a heaving foot etc.

[alex_e3]

Hi Andy, welcome to the forum!

 

You'll find that there are a HUGE amount of topics on stage 1 remaps in this section! Pop in a search for the Fabia 1 section and there'll be lots of info.

 

Quick advice would be to use a reputable tuner with a good reputation on here. Fabooka (company name: Hidden Power) on here will be one of the easiest ways to get a fantastic map on your car for very little £££. Other options are the usual Shark, Jabbasport, Unit 18 etc...

[vrsRob]

Rob@W8 Performance did mine, VERY happy indeed!!

[NathanG]

Fabooka on here did mine.  Love it and a really nice chap as well.  There's a couple of us on here who've had his maps and love them but there's plenty more options available as said above.  The choice is literally limitless. 

[Jonny5ive]

Pop over to JKM in Portsmouth.

Or call up Shark and see if they have an authorised mapper in your locality.

[SEVrs]

Been looking into this a lot myself and the only word of advice if on a KKK turbo, is don't cook it too much by going OTT on the remap.  The KKK can reputedly take 150BHP reliably with no ill effects, but upping it to 170BHP is pushing the limit (unlike the Garret PD130/150 turbos).

 

I've settled on a 150 map for this reason myself as the car needs re-mapping for an EGR delete anyway.

 

As the other guys advise, sticking with a reputable mainstream specialist  map with a lot of development work behind it and you can't go too far wrong.

 

Mapping increases power and torque.  You can't increase power without more air/fuel so if you use your right foot a lot you'll get less mpg.  The flip side is that the car will develop more torque at any equivalent rpm, so you can end up pulling a higher gear for lower revs without having to change down as quick (eg going up a hill), so saving on fuel.  Drive carefully and you should see an improvement.  I saw around a 10% improvement in economy with the last diesel car I had mapped.

[vrsRob]

Been looking into this a lot myself and the only word of advice if on a KKK turbo, is don't cook it too much by going OTT on the remap.  The KKK can reputedly take 150BHP reliably with no ill effects, but upping it to 170BHP is pushing the limit (unlike the Garret PD130/150 turbos).

 

I've settled on a 150 map for this reason myself as the car needs re-mapping for an EGR delete anyway.

 

As the other guys advise, sticking with a reputable mainstream specialist  map with a lot of development work behind it and you can't go too far wrong.

 

Mapping increases power and torque.  You can't increase power without more air/fuel so if you use your right foot a lot you'll get less mpg.  The flip side is that the car will develop more torque at any equivalent rpm, so you can end up pulling a higher gear for lower revs without having to change down as quick (eg going up a hill), so saving on fuel.  Drive carefully and you should see an improvement.  I saw around a 10% improvement in economy with the last diesel car I had mapped.

Only thing is, your little Fabia will already be pushing 150bhp so any map will push it over the boundarys you recommend...

[SKYHAWK]

Fabooka on here did mine.  Love it and a really nice chap as well.  There's a couple of us on here who've had his maps and love them but there's plenty more options available as said above.  The choice is literally limitless. 

i'll be joining them soon!

[SEVrs]

Only thing is, your little Fabia will already be pushing 150bhp so any map will push it over the boundarys you recommend...

 

I dont know what it's pushing but by all accounts, the BLT averages around 140 to 145BHP.  I should have explained more. It's not a power hike map.  It's essentially a re-flash without the EGR code (as I understand it the code cannot simply be switched off) which you have to do on the BLT if you want to delete the EGR (Blanking plate in place).  That means essentially the standard remap or in my case, a custom map designed to give 150BHP, so no, there wont be any significant power hike.

Edited 27 August, 2014 by SEVrs

[vrsRob]

Ah ok, I misunderstood your first post!

 

Mine has been on a rolling road before the map and averaged 153ish stock...

[Ad Lav]

Then it lost some since selling it to you

[vrsRob]

Then it lost some since selling it to you

 

Probably...

[Jonny5ive]

Been looking into this a lot myself and the only word of advice if on a KKK turbo, is don't cook it too much by going OTT on the remap. The KKK can reputedly take 150BHP reliably with no ill effects, but upping it to 170BHP is pushing the limit (unlike the Garret PD130/150 turbos).

Based on my experience I'd have to disagree. My mk1 fabia was mapped by AMD in c.2005? and ran +/-175bhp (RR depending) all day long from around 40k right up until the turbo went pop at 120k miles, at which point I went hybrid and the car (no longer mine but owned by TSpark) has run 200bhp mapped by Turner Race Developments and last I heard was pushing 160k.

That said the KKK turbo is a lottery, but can an do last and IMHO a lot of the longevity (or not) is down to the mapping and the driving.

[SEVrs]

Based on my experience I'd have to disagree. My mk1 fabia was mapped by AMD in c.2005? and ran +/-175bhp (RR depending) all day long from around 40k right up until the turbo went pop at 120k miles, at which point I went hybrid and the car (no longer mine but owned by TSpark) has run 200bhp mapped by Turner Race Developments and last I heard was pushing 160k.

That said the KKK turbo is a lottery, but can an do last and IMHO a lot of the longevity (or not) is down to the mapping and the driving.

 

That is exactly the point.  The KKK is really an under sized unit as standard for that car if tuning is on the cards,it will shorten the KKK's life.  It was Turner Race Developments who brought this to my attention first   Of course the amount of boost and linearity of the mapping also plays a part (as it does for clutch life).  Having said all that, mine's in with TRD now having a re-map.  I've gone for a very linear map and +20BHP on the standard as a good balance of power and ecomomy/reliability. When the KKK decides to give up the ghost, I'll replace it (and the DMF) with a PD150 Garret unit.  Couldn't be had with SMF conversions, noisy as hell plus the standard sachs DMF replaced with the turbo should be good for the life of the car.

[PastyBoy]

I ran a standard turbo with a 177bhp Jabba map for almost 90,000 miles (~38k-> ~130k) including 4 track days and a few track events and never ever had an issue.

It did eventually go pop when I over revved it trynig to save a spin on track.

 

My wife's totally standard car had been through 2 turbos by the time it got to 60k.

 

I'd say the KKK lottery is largely unaffected by (decent) remaps.

They go when they go whether they are making 130bhp, 150bhp or 175bhp.

[SEVrs]

I tried some variations on custom maps supplied by Quantum after they were supplied with my standard map to work with (they were TRD recommended, and that's a good enough recommendation for me) and learned a valuable lesson.  Clean (or at least check!) EGR and inlet manifold prior to a remap!  Mine were gunked up so badly, I'm surprised the engine ran at all, never mind when mapped!  The 1st map attempt kicked out so much smoke, that pointed towards not enough air in the mixture, and that's why the EGR/inlet manifold was checked.  We played about with various maps and until I have the inlet manifold off and caustic bath cleaned, I'm keeping the mapping close to standard (well, a little above at around 150BHP). One map we tried even with the gunked up inlet manifold was enough to light the front wheels up at 40mph in 3rd gear...monster torque. Won't re-map to that level when manifold done though as the power can't be put down and I suspect it won't do the clutch life a lot of good.  Absolutely no idea of what the power output was but would guess close to 180?  

 

RE KKK...it's surprised me just what power that can be generated with that turbo, undersized or no.  I think that whilst a lottery, you can improve your chances by keeping power hikes modest as that inevitably lowers stress on components including the turbo.