Ok trying to sell old computer, & have the win10 upgrade now icon etc. However when I try it says that "this CPU is not supported".

 

WTF? Its an AMD Athlon 64bit, 2 core 4200+ Manchester 90nm technology. with a MSI Amethyst-M socket 939 Mobo, & 4gb of RAM

 

I have been running Win7 Ultimate 64bit on it for 4yrs no problems, just why is Microsoft saying the CPU is not supported? It's a good dual core 64 bit CPU for f's sake!!

 

They then have the cheek to suggest in the same pop-up box "look at new computers here"..........F*** YOU Microsoft......................first in the beta people were running Win 10 ok on older CPUs with less power, now they decide to say screw all the old CPU to force people to buy a new computer, how long before they say stuff you to all these operating systems which are not Win 10 as you have offered the "free" Win10 version...............

 

I stayed away from Apple because the hardware cannot be upgraded/repaired easily & Apple want you to buy a new shiny thing every year.............now it looks like Microsoft is now doing the same with the main OS & also affecting your Hardware................

 

 

We are supposed to be conserving the earths resources..not going hell for leather in mass consumer spending & consumption!!...................AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!.................  .........

 

On the web there appears to loads of other people with the same problem, however I cannot find a solution to the problem, any ideas?

Seems this was an issue with windows 8.1;

 

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-confirms-some-older-amd-processors-do-not-support-windows-81

 

Obviously the same with Windows 10. The only way to upgrade would be to be running the 32 bit version of windows 7 then upgrade to Windows 10 32 bit I think.

 

Phil

Seems this was an issue with windows 8.1;

 

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-confirms-some-older-amd-processors-do-not-support-windows-81

 

Obviously the same with Windows 10. The only way to upgrade would be to be running the 32 bit version of windows 7 then upgrade to Windows 10 32 bit I think.

 

Phil

 

Saw this to, no use as I run 64bit OS on all my computers, so no 32bit version or license key. I have heard it is something to do with SSE2 & NX support but running piriform speccy on my computer its shows the CPU as supporting SSE2 & NX.........so am looking for other ideas?

Just had a further look at the CPU instructions, mine has MMX (+), 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, AMD 64, NX

 

But apparently I need EM64T, VT-d, VT-x...............???

 

Do have the KB2952664 patch for win7 & have run this.

Apparently these CPUs lack CMPXCHG16b instructions.

 

Microsoft apparently patch Windows 7 to work on them but hasn't bothered since Windows 8.1.

 

It's basically just a no-go. So your options are to stay with Windows 7 or buy a license for a Windows 7, 8 or 10 32 bit version.

 

Phil

Apparently these CPUs lack CMPXCHG16b instructions.

 

Microsoft apparently patch Windows 7 to work on them but hasn't bothered since Windows 8.1.

 

It's basically just a no-go. So your options are to stay with Windows 7 or buy a license for a Windows 7, 8 or 10 32 bit version.

 

Phil

 

So basically I can not upgrade a win7 64bit to win10............BUT I can upgrade a 32bit win7 to win10 on the same computer???........WTF??................Why & how!!???

You can still do Win7 64bit to Win10 32bit, but not an upgrade it would need to be a clean install using the media creation whatsit. The key's are not 'bitted', if you have the media you can install 64bit using a key originally from a 32bit Windows or the other way around (notice no indication of what bit a licence is for on the key sticker...).

 

But yes, it seems like you bought an earlyish 64bit processor that lacks the extensions needed. But given that its 10 years old you can't really blame it or Microsoft I don't think... things move on.

.........F*** YOU Microsoft.....................

 

If I had a penny for . .   . . I'd be richer than Bill Gates.

 

 

Nick

An OS should NOT be relying on cpu features; how long before Win11 will ONLY work on Intel chips and f-you AMD??

 

I have Win7 running on kit that came with Win98 from new, - all original - the only hardware upgrade has been changing the original 40 GB HDD for a 160 GB platter.

An OS should NOT be relying on cpu features; how long before Win11 will ONLY work on Intel chips and f-you AMD??

 

I have Win7 running on kit that came with Win98 from new, - all original - the only hardware upgrade has been changing the original 40 GB HDD for a 160 GB platter.

 

I agree with this, & the original mobo in my initial post was running a single core Athlon CPU before & windows XP!

 

Forced consumerism.

 

What gets me is people saying that if I had the 32bit version of win7 I would be able to run the 32bit version of win10 which is like WTF?????.....obviously the 64bit win10 version has some code which is different. TBH looking at this I think it relates to some of the silly extra features which I would turn off anyway! Anyway MS is supposed to provide updates until 2020 for win7, but if they say F*** you sooner then that's that computer in the bin!! Everyone welcome to the Apple world get a new shiny thing every year............if its not because the hardware is obsolete we'll make the software obsolete...............  ...............yourself MS, Apple etc..............

Until my XP box died suddenly (after a power cut), I was expecting to keep that updated until 2020 - using the POS hack; I am fairly certain something similar will turn up towards Win7s EOL.

 

(Simply change a registry key to say your machine is a "Point Of Sale" machine).

An OS should NOT be relying on cpu features; how long before Win11 will ONLY work on Intel chips and f-you AMD??

 

I have Win7 running on kit that came with Win98 from new, - all original - the only hardware upgrade has been changing the original 40 GB HDD for a 160 GB platter.

But why should Microsoft support hardware that's over 15 years old?  Even supporting 5 years is generous given computing advancements.  Even Apple no longer support even that far back on their computers, mobile and other hardware.  Google have recently only come out with a 2 year update guarantee for their OS updates.

 

OS' have been using CPU features for decades. How else is an OS meant to take advantage of the CPU's power? Both AMD & Intel, along with Snapdragon etc etc have all brought us technology in chips which soon become industry standard on all kinds of hardware and platforms.

 

it's the best of a bad bunch IMO.......................I have less faith in Apple products (I still have an ipad mini)...........& my only other option is to go Linux type os & software on a non apple computer, & I can't be arsed with that ..................so it's the lesser of the evils

it's the best of a bad bunch IMO.......................I have less faith in Apple products (I still have an ipad mini)...........& my only other option is to go Linux type os & software on a non apple computer, & I can't be arsed with that ..................so it's the lesser of the evils

that one wasn't aimed at you

But why should Microsoft support hardware that's over 15 years old?  Even supporting 5 years is generous given computing advancements.  Even Apple no longer support even that far back on their computers, mobile and other hardware.  Google have recently only come out with a 2 year update guarantee for their OS updates.

 

OS' have been using CPU features for decades. How else is an OS meant to take advantage of the CPU's power? Both AMD & Intel, along with Snapdragon etc etc have all brought us technology in chips which soon become industry standard on all kinds of hardware and platforms.

 

It used to be that the OS would use the extra instructions that were available, but not fail to work if they werent there; NOW, if you dont have the instruction set M$ want, tough. That is a HUGE difference in how M$ have developed and marketed their OS for the last 25 years; if you dont see that Lee, you are a bigger idiot than I already thought you were.

 

As for the photo, my next (imminent) PC build will be running Pingui.

But why should Microsoft support hardware that's over 15 years old?  Even supporting 5 years is generous given computing advancements.  Even Apple no longer support even that far back on their computers, mobile and other hardware.  Google have recently only come out with a 2 year update guarantee for their OS updates.

 

OS' have been using CPU features for decades. How else is an OS meant to take advantage of the CPU's power? Both AMD & Intel, along with Snapdragon etc etc have all brought us technology in chips which soon become industry standard on all kinds of hardware and platforms.

 

This...

 

A line has to be drawn somewhere.. 

What would you prefer? - a OS that gets continuously more and more bloated and unstable as to continue to accommodate "legacy" hardware or remain relatively clean and agile?

 

As Phil said - some of the instructions used by W7 64 upwards for security are not present in the AMD64 instruction set.. W7 had workarounds which have now been removed in the name of enhanced security and compatibility.

This...

 

A line has to be drawn somewhere.. 

What would you prefer? - a OS that gets continuously more and more bloated and unstable as to continue to accommodate "legacy" hardware or remain relatively clean and agile?

 

As Phil said - some of the instructions used by W7 64 upwards for security are not present in the AMD64 instruction set.. W7 had workarounds which have now been removed in the name of enhanced security and compatibility.

Can't believe Microsoft Windows 8 doesn't work on my old Pentium MMX :(

 

Disgusted of Southampton.

I bet you lot were complaining when windows 3.1 wasn't compatible with your C64's.....  :moon:

Can't believe Microsoft Windows 8 doesn't work on my old Pentium MMX :(

 

Disgusted of Southampton.

 

can't believe my 2010 MacBook Pro is running OS X 10.11 like a boss...

can't believe my 2010 MacBook Pro is running OS X 10.11 like a boss...

 

A PC from 2010 will run Windows 10 perfectly, one from 2005, not such a sure thing.