It's truly amazing (& educational) what one picks up from "threads" like this.

As a total & wholly impressionable, born-again Dipstick I specified 18" go-rounds with ULP tyres (from memory, they cost an extra £2 Grand) rather than the bog-standard 16" wheels, on my previous car. I then discovered to my absolute horror, that they lasted for less than one year each: cost (even in 2005)£250 per corner: gave a bum-numming (or possibly bumb numbing) ride - if I drove over a (showing my age here) thruppenny bit, I could tell whether it was Heads or Tails up, & I never used the so-claimed additional performance in the slightest: I did drive fast, but I never tear-arsed around corners Eventually, & very belatedly, I saw the light, & shelled out for new 16" alloys & tyres, & donated the previous wheels to the (rather delighted) tyre fitter.

Result? TRIPLE the life of the tyres: the tyres themselves cost around 33% of what I'd previously been paying, and the ride comfort was transformed - and I never missed the so-called extra "performance".

Am still conscious of the fact that my life (& that of any other lesser mortals) in the car, wholly depends on 4 bits of rubber, each of which is about the size of my hand, & therefore always fork out & change the tyres when they're down to around 4 mm - yeah, it takes some money, but even the slightest bump/going off-road costs more than the price of 4 tyres, and anyway, there's no pockets in shrouds.

Advancing years hasn't brought much in the way of sense though, as I'm now on the verge of changing the factory-fitted Continentals (which have only done 4.25k miles) to new Goodyear Vector 4 Season (or possibly Nokian Weatherproofs - I haven't quite yet decided) & kid myself that a couple of hundred shekels is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things, and that the improvement in everything, will be worth the outlay.

I am equally sure that SWMBO would agree with my peculiar brand of logic, but as I have no intention whatsoever of telling her (to her, a tyre is a tyre is a tyre), it's all academic. If she ever does notice that there's different bits of rubber on the car ( NO chance whatsoever) I'll simply tell her that I did it all for HER safety!!!

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Luckily 18" tyre prices have come down a lot in recent years and the brand of tyres does make a difference to their ride quality but without that extra bit of cushion you get with a higher profile tyre you are more at risk of sidewall damage caused by our third world road conditions.

I've never seen the point of putting cheap/budget tyres on a car when as you say the road contact patch is so small that you want the odds in your favour with better materials, testing and design even if you do pay more for it.

I'm totally with you, CWARD, tyre technology has certainly moved on since my days of being young-&-daft, but the lessons that stay with you the longest, are those which are earned in the hardest way! Even merely clipping a kerb/grass verge when sliding round a corner, costs much much more than the price of a few tyres, not to mention the constant worry of whether you may have ruined the tracking/jiggered the suspension: the considerable time involved, etc.

Am also fully aware that the tyre manufacturers (at least those who seriously subscribe to improving their technology) introduce a new brand of tyre on almost a yearly basis, and to an "impressionable" such as moi, they would not spend £millions on research & production costs, if they did not genuinely believe that they'd introduced something that was "revolutionary", and they weren't going to get the their money back (with a whole shedload extra as well, by possibly cleaning up the market - take Continental Premium Contact 2E's: only introduced very recently, but already Conti are offering their new "5" version.

I reckon that with quite a number of car manufacturers, they readily jump on the financial wagon, & buy up a job lot of tyres which have only recently been replaced by a newer model, (probably for just a few pence each) & we, the gullible car-buying public, trundle around on "yesterday's technology" tyres.

One of the reasons (I have Conti 2E's fitted to my June, 2015 model) why I'm going to shell out on "today's" technology. I'm well sure that Conti E2's will do their job admirably, but if there's something "better" out there, then I want it - & am well prepared to fork out for it. Peace of mind ALWAYS came at a price.

Read an article about car manufacture and car tyres are often supplied with next to no profit knowing that the majority of people replace like for like.

 

So long as the tyre doesn't have an old manufacture date I can't see anything wrong with your logic. Old tyres tend to split and crack sooner. The worst I've come across were Dunlop and I'm the type that holds a grudge so have never touched them again.

Sale of goods act is no longer relevant, as it's been replaced. Also, with tyres specifically, the manufacturer controls the warranty (as the manager has rightly said in this case) not the fitting shop. This is simply because there are so many technical factors involved in testing a tyre for faults that it's impractical for a tyre shop to do so. All warranty claims are returned to the manufacturer for evaluation.

You're quite right and wrong.

The Consumer Rights Act but:-

Your rights under the Consumer Rights Act are against the retailer – the company that sold you the product – not the manufacturer, and so you must take any claim to the retailer.

Tyres aren't excluded unless you can point me to that piece of legislation.

You're quite right and wrong.

The Consumer Rights Act but:-

Your rights under the Consumer Rights Act are against the retailer – the company that sold you the product – not the manufacturer, and so you must take any claim to the retailer.

Tyres aren't excluded unless you can point me to that piece of legislation.

You have the internet? I could find it for you, but where's the fun in that? :p

You have the internet? I could find it for you, but where's the fun in that? :p

I looked at the specific Act - and it doesn't mention tyres anywhere. So it was really an enquiry to where you got the information 

There's a BTMA code of practice relating to tyre warranty. This is the agreed procedure for tyre retailers, tyre manufacturers, and end user for any warranty purposes.

 

http://xukht3z7r3u3afw993ylh21d.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Consumer-guide-to-tyre-warranty-complaint-process-10-Mar-15.pdf

 

While this is in addition to statutory rights, I would think if you demanded a refund based on your statutory rights without giving the tyre retailer the option to return the tyre to the manufacturer for evaluation, then should you need to go to court for your claim I would suspect that you'd have problems proving your case.

 

In any event, cheap and nasty tyres will probably give you more cause for return and evaluation than good quality tyres. I've removed many dubious tyres from cars I've bought, and replaced them with good quality Michelins or such like. When doing so I've usually found that wheel bearings repair themselves and stop making a noise, alignment issues resolve themselves, and little lambs are happier than before.

There's a BTMA code of practice relating to tyre warranty. This is the agreed procedure for tyre retailers, tyre manufacturers, and end user for any warranty purposes.

 

http://xukht3z7r3u3afw993ylh21d.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Consumer-guide-to-tyre-warranty-complaint-process-10-Mar-15.pdf

 

While this is in addition to statutory rights, I would think if you demanded a refund based on your statutory rights without giving the tyre retailer the option to return the tyre to the manufacturer for evaluation, then should you need to go to court for your claim I would suspect that you'd have problems proving your case.

 

In any event, cheap and nasty tyres will probably give you more cause for return and evaluation than good quality tyres. I've removed many dubious tyres from cars I've bought, and replaced them with good quality Michelins or such like. When doing so I've usually found that wheel bearings repair themselves and stop making a noise, alignment issues resolve themselves, and little lambs are happier than before.

I suspect a lot of retailers "hide" behind this sort of rubbish it isn't additional to your statutory rights it actually tries to limit them. If your fridge didn't work and you took it back to Currys and they offered to sell you another one while the broken one was sent back to manufacturers to be checked you wouldn't be happy. Just because its tyres doesn't make it any different.

Ah well, CWARD, in the days of wind-power technology, I myself, doubtless (in fact I know that I DID) replaced like-for-like when it came to tyres, as one (naïve people that we were) either looked at the tyres that we had fitted & bought the same again, on the assumption that the car manufacturers knew what was the best tyre for our cars or (possibly worse) took the (possibly debatably-questionable) advice of a tyre supplier, who we felt knew best - even though some of these untermenschen recommended what either gave them the best profit margin, or met their monthly target with various tyre wholesalers?

But in these days of steam-driven technology (assuming that we haven't now progressed even further, & gone "electric") all the necessary info is out there on "independent" tyre tester's web sites, and all we have to do is to look, and make our own decision. However, if a bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, then A LOT of knowledge is a highly dangerous thing - I was relatively (define "relatively"?) happy with the Continentals fitted to my car, until I read various reports which uniformly slated their road-holding in the wet - wot we in the U of K, tend to get most of. So, I shall bite the bullet (aka shelling out some of my very hard-earned shekels)& have some much better-performing tyres fitted. Will cost me a couple of hundred ackers, but c'est la vie!

In the UK with 60 MPH National Speed Limit & 70 MPH on certain types of roads the Millions of Tyres OEM and Aftermarket 

do pretty well at keeping vehicles rubber side down.

 

Well except for some of the ECO tyres with premium Brand names which are worse than what some consider to be Ditch Finders 

but are selling in Billions around the World.

 

The formulation and specification and compounds / treads of tyres are not rocket science, it is Tyre Manufacturing science, 

and Road Use, Off Road Use, Motorsport use etc.

 

Decades of experience by companies making tyres and selling them and Governments interfering in the Types / Noise etc.

 

Odd so many millions manage to drive on what a car comes with a with what a supplier sells 

and yet others seem to slide or crash off the road and it is the tyres that are blamed not them 'failing' to drive to the safe limits of equipment, weather, road surface etc.

Edited 16 March, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

Point (whatever it is that you're actually trying to make) noted, GoneOffski, but I'm not actually blaming my current tyres for going off the road, as I HAVEN'T ever gone off the road - neither have I slid or crashed (although many a poor soul will have done, & not necessarily through their own fault/sic. failing to drive to safe limits of equipment, weather or road surfaces) - just a tad OTT, if not patronising, do you not think? Sometimes outside forces just happen - it's invariably called "Sod's Law".

All that I am trying to say, is that after reading a large number of wholly independent tyre reviews, & poring over the specifications that the EU stipulate that all tyres must now carry, I am confident that the tyres fitted by Mr. Skoda or Mrs Skoda, (or indeed, all the little Skoda's) are not the very best that I could have - and indeed why should they be, my Citigo was built to a specific price, & fitting decent (define "decent") tyres, rather than state-of-the-art, seems to be wholly logical & understandable to me. Driven under normal circumstances, these tyres will, I am sure, perform adequately.

I was quite happy with them - UNTIL I was cursed with the spirit of investigation. THEN I understood that my current tyres are OK, but "OK" isn't necessarily good enough for me, & I'm prepared to shell out coins of the realm, to have much better tyres.

I'm not planning on amending my driving style (which has given me some 50-odd years of driving, & over 500k miles), without sliding or crashing off the road, just because I'll have much better tyres fitted, but although poorer in pocket, I'll be richer in reassurance.

Many people DO fit tyres that are solely dictated by their budget/financial circumstances, just as many people deliberately decide to drive when uninsured, as they can't afford/are not prepared to pay the premiums - that is their choice. It isn't my attitude, but not everyone is either the same, or has the same approach to life.

One pays their money, & makes their choice. ME? I'm going to pay for new black roundy-things, and hopefully enjoy them & the greater degree of safety/comfort that they will bring.

Here endeth the first Lesson!

Edited 16 March, 201610 yr by Michaelski

All very sensible.

And as we know or many do, more expensive does not equate necessarily to actually being better tyres.

That is from someone with a Rubber Fetish and has Wheel / Tyre sets in lots of choices for each vehicle i  own.

Sheds and storage space running out now.

 

I must stop buying tyres and sell some.

Edited 16 March, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

Ah well, it looks as though I'm going to have to drop my sights distinctly downwards.

After checking numerous websites, & actually emailing a couple of local tyre factors (who were obviously making a Mint, as they couldn't be arsed to even reply)it would seem that the NEAREST place where I can obtain Nokian Weatherproof tyres, is around 100 miles, & 2+ hours (lousy roads to there) away. So, it looks like Goodyear Vector's have not only taken up the running, but are now leading by a furlong!

Sigh... it was once sooooooooooo easy to cross someone's palm with silver, now it seems that they're closing their fists & refusing to take it???

http://blackcircles.com

http://mytyres.co.uk

 

No luck with either of those above.

 

If you are looking for a All Season tyre have you looked at 'Maxxis AP2 All Seasons' ?

Well, thanks for that, GoneOffSKI, but ...................

Hmmm!, Maxxis Allseason AP2 tyres, eh?

In the tests conducted by Auto Express (Sept 2015, & see what I mean about a lot of knowledge being a highly dangerous thing) this tyre came 4th (WELL behind Nokian Weatherproofs & Goodyear Vector Gen 2) & out of the 9 different tyres tested, it came:

3rd in Dry braking:

4th in dry handling:

6th in both wet handling & wet braking,:

5th & 6th respectively in rolling resistance (economy) & cabin noise.

And I’m after the security of good handling in both the wet & dry (especially the wet), as we get more of that in the UK, PLUS a comfortable ride.

IT WAS stated to be the “most affordable” of the 9 tyres tested though.

On balance, as I suppose that AE’s conclusions can be relied upon, it wouldn’t seem to be measurably better than the Continentals which are currently fitted to my little jam jar, & if I’m going to shell out mega moulah to change my tyres, then my attitude is to fork out for the very best of what’s currently available - & really, that doesn’t include these “Cheng Shin Rubber” mid-range – even though they may be “adequate” for the job.

If you deliberately set your standards very low, then you’ll always achieve the required standards (Oscar Wilde & me).

I have Michelin Cross Climate on my Volvo S60 and Maxxis AP 2 on my Fabia Mk2 vRS, 

and the Maxxis are wonderful. The Cross Climate are flavour of the year and are nothing special IMO.

I am lucky enough to drive plenty of prestige cars with lots of different tyres and have used winter tyres my self for decades.

 

Tyre tests and reviews do not mean that much to me, i try tyres and decide myself, and i pay for my own tyres, price is not the deciding factor, 

or brand, just what works best for what i need.

The Maxxis AP 2 really are rather good.   I will let you know once the weather turns warmer.

I will be running them a while longer until after the snow has past, so far in the wet and cold and ice they have been very good.  I have done about 4,000 miles on them this winter since they were fitted.

Edited 17 March, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

Hokay, so I'm a bit of a tyre peasant, & I knows it - am I bothered?   Not one bit!.

 

I have neither the time (nor the inclination) to try out various makes of tyres, so I HAVE to take my information from the so-called Specialists, but if they all seem to be of one mind, then I'm prepared to accept their opinion.

 

I too have had fast cars in the past, including 4 Lexus on the trot, all of them (well, with the exception of the RX) capable of going WELL North of 135, but such was my lamentable ignorance, that I didn't have a clue, I'm ashamed to say,  as to what tyres were fitted.    I did drive them very fast (especially when I was in Germany) but I never actually tear-arsed around corners.     If I did happen to lose a tad of grip at any time, then I simply eased off the Loud Pedal - considerable assisted by SWMBO having a fit of the conniptions.    Those cars were expensive enough, that I am sure that tyres "suitable for purpose" were factory fitted?

 

I only started to take a "slight" interest in tyres when I opted to bin the 18" ULP's on my S80, and drop down to 16".   The tyre fitter recommended putting on Hankook, and such was the difference after the bumb-numbing ride of the 18 inchers, that ANYTHING (even running on 4 jelly-doughnuts) would have been an improvement.

 

But, with a slight degree of interest, comes a slight degree of knowledge & involvement.     I even took the opportunity to dig out the boot & check what particular tyre Mr Skoda had provided with the £50 spare wheel that was already provided with the car, when we bought it on it's way somewhere between Bratislava & UK.    It turned out to be a cheap & cheerful/cheap & nasty Falken - which DOES NOT score well in any Tester's reviews.    If I'm not all that impressed with the Continentals, then as sure as eggs have little lions, I'm not going to be going overboard about the Falken.   ALL that can be said in its' favour, is that it's a "space saver" & limited to 50 mph, so if I have to use it, it's certainly not going to be on for too long.

 

& on this particular subject, we also bought a pre-reg SE (with a whole 8 miles on the clock) for one of the kids.    His car came without a spare, just a (actually rather nice) Compressor in the boot, & an aerosol can of shaving gel.    So we lashed out for a "proper" spare for his.   Tyres fitted by the factory are Hankook Sincera, but the spare is a low-line budget tyre - despite the buttocks-clenching  £170 that we paid.

OK, far too late top do anything about either of them now, but the lesson HAS been taken on-board for next time - and there's one of the reasons that I want to bin the Continentals.

 

"Caw", said the Raven

 

Well, as far as my dream of fitting 4  Nokian Weatherproofs go, it looks as though I've had it!

 

All that I can say (with especial thanks to the Old Ma who sought a day's peace at any price, by sending me to Sunday School morning, noon & night, each Sunday) is  "Hebrews 13, Verse 8" - & the appropriate apols to anyone who may be easily offended.

 

Can't obtain Nokkers from anywhere, at least not within 100 miles, but my friendly (I hope) tyre fitter listened to my Option 2, & heartily recommended fitting Michelin CrossClimates in preference to the Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons, Generation 2.

 

A web page that I've looked seems to endorse this view, so providing aforesaid F.T. F. can actually put his grease-stained hands on a set in my size, within one week, I should be richer in spirit, albeit at the expense of being poorer in pocket.        BUT, as my old Granny (used to say) BEFORE we sneakily replaced her toothpaste with Superglue, "if you've got it, then spend it - there's no pockets in shrouds".

 

SO.................... watch this space!!!

Edited 20 March, 201610 yr by Michaelski

This escapade is still bothering me as much as it's bothering you lot.

 

I'll do anything for an easy life these days and i know going back there just isn't going to do ME any good. Not that I won't fight for my corner, but things just fester with me for a long time after the event.

 

When i get round to it this week i'll take the car somewhere else to get the balance checked

Zorst, any results? I have read this thread many times and wondered why you have got this mystery vibration.

Then I remembered, tyres are marked with some small colored dots on the side walls (anyway, the high end tyres are). The tyres are not perfectly made, and there are always some unevenly distributed weights, which is different from tyre to tyre. Therefore the manufacturer mark the heaviest part with a colored dot.

They also mark the tyre with a different colored dot, to indicate where to position the air valve during the assembly onto the rim (maybe it is RED, but unfortunately I cannot remember which is which.)

I have seen a lot of "faulty" fitted tyres. For many cars, a normal balancing job will counterbalance the tyre assembly with plenty (heavy) weights. Or they are lucky and fit the tyres in such a position that the in-built inbalance of the rim will counterweight the wheel assembly.

But: some cars are sensible to inbalanced wheels (even minor ones), and some drivers are more picky about vibrations. A small flutter in a rotating wheel may increase in certain speeds if it coincides with the cars natural oscilation.

Ok I admit, this became a little theoretical and nerdy. But maybe you have a coinsidence of numeral unlucky concurrences?

In an ideal world the tyre dealer should refit the tyres in better positions onto the rims and rebalanced all again. They are the professionals here and should know all technical details of the black rubber things that connects the car to the surface.

Why would I fork out £500 on tyres if I'm selling the car? Money i'm not going to get back. I don't need an answer.

 

I don't know where you are buying tyres...

 

I just bought 2x Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2's in 225/45 R17 91Y from mytyres.co.uk ; £125 delivered for the pair after finding a discount code for a few % off.  I would imagine you paid similar for your ditchfinders.  Budget £10 or less a corner for fitting.

 

Putting budgets on a luxury car which has good brand worn tyres on it if you're about to sell is often worse than having new ditchfinders fitted.  At least they are good tyres but coming to the end of their useful life (assuming you're not running them until they are bald, or they are highlighting an issue with the car due to an odd wear pattern); whereas budgets say "maintained on a shoestring, fear the worst with the rest of the car".   Sure, a lot of buyers might not notice.  But do you really want to limit your market?

Zorst, any results? I have read this thread many times and wondered why you have got this mystery vibration.

Then I remembered, tyres are marked with some small colored dots on the side walls (anyway, the high end tyres are). The tyres are not perfectly made, and there are always some unevenly distributed weights, which is different from tyre to tyre. Therefore the manufacturer mark the heaviest part with a colored dot.

They also mark the tyre with a different colored dot, to indicate where to position the air valve during the assembly onto the rim (maybe it is RED, but unfortunately I cannot remember which is which

 

I've not been back to the thread because I was letting the other lads carry on talking tyres and due to being in hospital for a short period.

 

But seeing as you asked Fatzy. I took the wife out in the car and pointed out what i was talking about. She said she couldn't feel anything (yes i know, she's not felt anything for a while)

I took my neighbour out in the car and pointed the vibration. and he said he couldn't feel what i was talking about. although i pointed out the vibraition through the drivers seat and the armrest of the centre consul.

 

Yes i know about the red and yellow dots on tyres and these should perhaps be placed where the valve is. These tyres don't have any.

 

I don't know where you are buying tyres...

 

 

 

 

 

I bought the tyres from a place local to me that is recomended on Briskoda. It was a on convenient Saturday morning for me, a rare Saturday to myself  but i wish i hadn't bothered. Although the tyre place is willing to remedy any issues I may have I 'm not going back there.

Because? The alloys got marked in a couple of places and the sill is slightly sqashed at the two jacking points on the near side and it's broke the paint.

 

I have since been to my regular tyre supplier who balanced the two rears and the left was out by fifteen grams. He says not enough to feel it. But it is a tad better or is it a mental thing?

 

 

 

 

  I would imagine you paid similar for your ditchfinders. 

 

 

 

This constant use of the word ditchfinders etc with distain in peoples typing is getting boring now. Yawn. yes everyone's allowed an opinion but DO you know what you're talking about? or are you just jumping on the bandwagon cos you know they're from china. Or if it's not a big brand name they MUST be crap. 

 

As soon as i crash the car because the tyres let go, I'll be right here and say you were right but as it goes i can drive the car like i stole it and have no worries or issues with the grip, probably because it's a soft compound. And true to their sticker, 68db they are nice and quiet.

 

Where am I now? Well...the car......it's right, but it's not right Sometimes that vibration is there but i would expect and better ride quality than this even will the SE model having a bit stiffer suspension. I just get in the car and accept it now.

 

Zorst/Ken

Edited 30 March, 201610 yr by zorst

This constant use of the word ditchfinders etc with distain in peoples typing is getting boring now. Yawn. yes everyone's allowed an opinion but DO you know what you're talking about? or are you just jumping on the bandwagon cos you know they're from china. Or if it's not a big brand name they MUST be crap. 

 

As soon as i crash the car because the tyres let go, I'll be right here and say you were right but as it goes i can drive the car like i stole it and have no worries or issues with the grip, probably because it's a soft compound. And true to their sticker, 68db they are nice and quiet.

 

Zorst/Ken

The trouble with the sort of tyres that usually get tagged as "ditchfinders" is that they appear ok until you reach their (usually low) limits.

 

For example, a mate of mine had a Vauxhall Omega 3.0l that regularly spun its RH rear wheel out of right turn junctions. No clear cause could be found until someone noticed that it had 3 Goodyears, but the RHR was a "Woosung Dark Horse", which promptly became known as the "Dark Spin".

This constant use of the word ditchfinders etc with distain in peoples typing is getting boring now. Yawn. yes everyone's allowed an opinion but DO you know what you're talking about? or are you just jumping on the bandwagon cos you know they're from china. Or if it's not a big brand name they MUST be crap. 

 

Busted, I am just an interested amateur.  I shall not use the "d" word again...

 

My own experiences of budget tyres (usually abysmal cold / wet performance) have led me to get rid of them on the few occasions I've bought a car in spite of them being fitted to an axle.  I have no experience of Landsail tyres personally - though my brother had some on 18's on his Passat estate and got rid of them in short order.  He said the car was transformed when he swapped them for PS3.

 

I spend a fair bit of time at the local car auctions, and most of the time I see Landsails on vehicles it is single tyres mismatched on axles, where it is obvious the only reason that tyre is on that car is because it was cheap.  To be fair this says perhaps more about the buying habits of the owners rather than the tyres themselves.  

 

The thing that stuck in my mind the most of your original post was that anyone would think good 225/45/17's should cost anywhere near £500 - and that if that was your logic for having cheaper tyres that it was quite flawed.  I've been through a lot of tyres in 135K miles in my Superb Mk1, and even when tyres were more expensive than they are now I've never spent more than £399 on a full set, fitted, of Primacy HP, Pilot Sport 3, or Goodyear Eagle Asym2.  Tyres are at an all time low at the moment, as I say my last pair of Goodyears cost £125 for the tyres alone - so a full set at that rate is around £300 fitted.  Even high-street robbers Kwikfit will only charge you £335 for a full set of these.

 

Anyhow, I really do hope they give you good service, as there isn't much else between the vehicle and the road...!

Edited 1 April, 201610 yr by jimbof

Hi Jimbof,

 

Yeah, I should look at the amount of forum posts that people have before I judge I suppose.

 

The whole tyregate thing has got me down.

 

If only I could have found a pair of Goodyears at the time for £125 or anything like them. I thought I'd looked everywhere.

 

As for import tyres, Landsail or Triple A I had reports of 'yeah these are good' or 'no problem with these' etc

 

I've used part worn in the past many times without a problem but because my back two tyres looked great but were blocking I thought I could end up in the same position if I buy partworns. So I thought I'll get four new and matching.

 

I was getting quotes of around £440 for four main branded tyres.

 

Oh well.

 

Regards.