If you are in a queue moving forwards now and again it's annoying and unnecessary to have the engine stopping and starting frequently and unnecessarily

I think you'll find the stop/start system won't activate under these conditions ..... see the manual.

Have you run this past the "holding-it-on-the-brake" police?

It is actually in the Highway code:

 

In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.

Law RVLR reg 27

http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders---lighting-requirements-113-to-116.html

Great stuff Jim

114 in general

But you do decide. On a manual you use the clutch or an auto by how far you press the brake.

It's wear and tear that the car has been designed for. Do you leave it running on your drive at night to save the battery, starter and demisters the next morning?

I think I've covered that!

 

I wasn't surprised to get a dumb answer like that and wondered if it was worthy of a reply!

 

No wonder some blindly follow their sat navs into rivers. The "technology" told me to do it!

Edited 14 March, 201610 yr by VAGCF

 

 

No wonder some blindly follow their sat navs into rivers. The "technology" told me to do it!

A few years ago we had a female friend staying and my wife made a cake and asked her friend to keep an eye on it. About 90mins later we smelt smoke and found her friend sitting in the kitchen with smoke coming from the oven. When it was bought to her attention she replied" It can't be the cake, the book says it needs another 10 mins!"

 

Fred

I think I've covered that!

 

I wasn't surprised to get a dumb answer like that and wondered if it was worthy of a reply!

 

No wonder some blindly follow their sat navs into rivers. The "technology" told me to do it!

Ignoring the unecessary rudeness, I think you describing my answer as dumb just compounds your fear and/or lack of understanding of technology. Are you a member of the Flat Earth Society by any chance?

I have spent many years instructing other professional drivers how to correctly apply the technology they have in their vehicles to give the greatest benefits for driver convenience and comfort, mechanical sympathy, fuel economy and emissions and just not using technology because you don't like it or don't understand it.

Some of us are resisting the trend to the 'no touch' driverless world, currently driven by emissions engineers but ultimately to be phased out and made illegal.

It's coming and probably in my lifetime .......(now I've done it)!

The stop/start is a strange thing because it's at it's most irritating in stop/start traffic where it cuts out and then 2 seconds later you're pulling away again, there's definitely a little transmission delay with the auto as well before the car picks back up. With 3k on the clock it's failed me once (same for my friend with around 2k on the clock) - at a set of lights it said "Manually restart car" when I went to pull away, once I was over the "oh ****" moment and remembered I have to hold the brake to restart the lights were changing back to red and I had slightly miffed drivers behind me... I get the impression it's all about passing emissions tests rather than actually saving the planet/fuel or making the driving experience better! 

.. I get the impression it's all about passing emissions tests rather than actually saving the planet/fuel or making the driving experience better!

You're not wrong there.

If they want to advertise how green they are it must default to irritation.

You're not wrong there.

If they want to advertise how green they are it must default to irritation.

 

It's why I loved my old BMW 530i, was a 2000 plate and was just at the right age to have all of the basic toys you want, very decent performance, refinement and ok economy but no annoying "defaults" or alarms if you didn't put seatbelt on when moving the car around the block etc. I think all cars should have menus allowing the DRIVER to choose what annoyances they want to default to "on" rather than nannying test agencies.

Yep

Thems were the days )))

Yep

Thems were the days )))

 

Yup, the tyres even had sidewalls so the ride was nice.

It makes me wonder if the safety representatives of motoring organisations or related legislators were consulted.

(Would you be criticised for parking on a railway crossing and the turning the engine off to reduce CO2 emissions and forgetting you were still in D......during a driving test ?. How many 'fails' there?.)

The penalty for driving a car you are not completely familiar with and having made a silly misjudgment such as entering a railway crossing without there being sufficient space to clear it and not calmly reading the instructions on the screen and calmly applying them in the correct order is, potentially

Death.........sounds about right.

It's surely just a matter of time wherever.

Yup, the tyres even had sidewalls so the ride was nice.

I see Bridgestone is introducing run flat for common fitment.

Be aware that if you turn the stop start off, then stop and restart the car

the stop start takes over again until cancelled on the button!

there's definitely a little transmission delay with the auto as well before the car picks back up.

The "delay" with the auto is because it is an automated manual gearbox which means when you pull away it has to release the clutch for you.

The "delay" with the auto is because it is an automated manual gearbox which means when you pull away it has to release the clutch for you.

 

Yup, but with stop/start off and just holding the car on the brake in the same way you pull away instantly because it holds the gear. Oddly enough I had the same gearbox in a 2.0t petrol Scirocco and it felt much livelier and smoother, it has funny moments in the Yeti sometimes when pulling away.

I know at least a couple of people who don't trust cc......it can sometimes keep going uncontrollably apparently (?) at least in THEIR world and would simply refuse to drive a car if it stopped when it chose to.

A lot of people drive only because they are forced to but never trust or feel comfortable in them.........it's the last thing they'd want.

I think that when the stop start re-engages the revs are too low

to pull away, pause and the revs rise and pull away is normal.

Trouble is, that in certain circumstances e.g. busy commuting, you don't have the luxury of pausing.

Did i read correctly somewhere that the stop/start system only cuts the engine if the car is in gear and you keep your foot on the brake? If that's so does that mean if you take the car out of gear and/or put the handbrake on, the engine either doesn't stop, or maybe even restarts ?

Or does this only apply to DSG 'boxes?

Edited 29 March, 201610 yr by speedsport

On a manual box the car has to be at a standstill and out of gear with foot not on the clutch for the stop/start to work.

 

The brake or handbrake does not affect it, if the car rolls forward on a hill it will restart as will other things like temperature, air con etc.

Edited 29 March, 201610 yr by Urrell

On a manual box the car has to be at a standstill and out of gear with foot not on the clutch for the stop/start to work.

 

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It didn't start for me once and gave me a bit of a fright not knowing why........said 'must release the clutch fully' ....had my foot on the floor waiting a fair amount of time......prior to touching the clutch.......still a mystery.

Ryeman - you know your problem - you're frightened and don't understand the technology!

 

It's very complicated you know!

Ryeman - you know your problem - you're frightened and don't understand the technology!

 

It's very complicated you know!

When I've been in heavy commuter type traffic, you're constantly creeping and the it does nothing helpful.....what it does however, is improve the CO2 of emission figure during the certification test which involves simulated stationary idling in city traffic.

So if you install stop/start it has to default to active for the figure to be accepted.

Emissions are dictating design even if safety is potentially compromised.