Hope this isnt opening an old can of worms but here goes

 

In January I bought a 2010 1.8 Yeti with 57,000 miles on it from a non Skoda dealer, I drove it for 3 months/3,000 miles and noticed it had been using a lot of oil. At first I did a check and found it "wasnt unusual" for these engines to use some oil, but then I did the calculations and realised I was putting in 1 litre of oil every 350 miles!

 

So the car has gone back to where I bought it, they have handled the isse very well, checked the usage, confirmed it was high. However they say the car needs a new engine and it is uneconomical to replace it, so they are going to refund me less 150 for the 3,000 mile I got out of the car. As I say, they havebeen very good about it.

 

Now, I have seen another 1.8 Yeti for sale at a different dealer (again non Skoda dealer) at a similar price, it is on a 59 plate but has leather and the full sunroof.

 

Thing is, I am concerned that I may end up with another oil using engine.

 

Just how common is it for the 1.8 to use oil? I see it is a known issue on "some" engines, but of course the internet isnt full of people saying my engine doesnt use any oil (understandable, we only post when we have issues) so what is the consensus of opinion? Is it a small percentage that use oil? Most use oil and only some use a lot? Or they all use a lot of oil and I best look for something else?

 

I really liked the Yeti, it was comfortable, nippy enough for me and plenty of space for the kids and anything I wanted to put in the boot, but I could do without having to put in a litre of oil every 1,000 miles!

 

Thanks

Graham

Are there any service documents potentially indicating an issue?.

Are there contact details for the previous owner?.

You will find any 1.8 TSI will use oil, but 350 miles / 1 litre is huge consumption and you did the right thing to hand it back.

 

Some seem to use lots, some don't.

 

Ours settled down after i started driving it hard (previous owners obviously didn't so the piston rings haven't been worn in properly) and it coincidentally uses less oil now, around a pint every 1000 miles instead of a litre every 800 miles.

You will find any 1.8 TSI will use oil, but 350 miles / 1 litre is huge consumption and you did the right thing to hand it back.

 

Some seem to use lots, some don't.

 

Ours settled down after i started driving it hard (previous owners obviously didn't so the piston rings haven't been worn in properly) and it coincidentally uses less oil now, around a pint every 1000 miles instead of a litre every 800 miles.

Is this level of oil consumption really normal or acceptable. If it is do you need to do an oil change when in for a service?

 

Colin

Is this level of oil consumption really normal or acceptable. If it is do you need to do an oil change when in for a service?

 

Colin

None of it is acceptable to me as I've never had a vehicle that needed oil topups between services let alone effectively 10 pints!

None of it is acceptable to me as I've never had a vehicle that needed oil topups between services let alone effectively 10 pints!

 

You obviously never owned a Land Rover then, or anything with a BMC A series engine!

Its acceptable in terms of Skoda covered their arse in the manual, they state it could need 1 Litre of oil every 1000KM.  But having seen how far the older 1.8t go on oil, its concerning.

 

So somebody at the factory knew this engine would be drinking oil, but made worse in my opinion if the first owner drove it like a pansy and didn't use all of the available RPM once in a while.

 

I would have thought that 2.0 TSI / TFSI owners would also be seeing high oil consumption, i feel for those who do not check oil regularly.

^^^ Go back and read where you got that if from a VW Group Owners manual.

 

"May use as much as 0.5 litres 1000 km". (621 miles)  so 1 litre in 2,000 km (1,242 miles) 

 

Then all the stuff  'more in first 5,000 km,' Mountain Passes in Summer, Driver & Weather and Towing and stuff.

 

Even Skoda / VW / Seat / Audi know 0.3 litres oil use in 1000 km is unacceptable in normal driving and have been replacing engines.

 

*The 0.5 litre in 1000 km is given for Petrol & Diesels from under 100ps to over 400ps, 

3,4,5,6 & 8 Cylinders.*

It is a nonsense that a car on fixed Oil & Filter Services can use 8 litres of oil between services on Fixed Servicing.*

 

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Even if out of warranty anyone with excessive oil use should go raise a case with Skoda.

that is If the car was serviced to Schedule / Guidelines.

High Oil Consumption.

 

That is After doing your own Oil Monitoring.  

You need to do Cold Checks and the correct at 'Operating Temperature Checks'. NOT WARM CHECKS.

An Official VW / Skoda / Seat / Audi Oil Use Test is required to confirm what you know then.

 

New Oil & Filter is put in.  Correct Quantity.

Then taken to Operating Temperature & Dropped, and weighed.

1 Litre weighs 857 Grams.

Oil put back in.

The Test drive of 300 km is not enough,  Say you want the Cap & Dip Stick Sealed and you drive 1,242 miles, 

or until the Low Oil Warning Light Comes on. 

 

The Oil gets Dropped and Weighed. 

Doing only 300 km or 600 km is a joke.   They say may use 1 litre in 2,000 km,.  so use it for 2,000km.

 

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This is an Invoice from an Official Oil Test, 

the Dealership doing it said it passed and wanted paying for the Test.

The test was not even done right.

The Technician never knew the weight of Engine Oil.

The Owner got a new Engine.

AFTER SHOWING SKODA UK CUSTOMER SERVICES THAT THE TECHNICIAN DID NOT EVEN KNOW THE BASICS LIKE THE WEIGHT OF ENGINE OIL.

3.6 Litres @ 857 grams weighs 3,085.2 grams,  Engine Oil is not 1000 grams a litre. (not even still in a bottle.)

Edited 24 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

You obviously never owned a Land Rover then, or anything with a BMC A series engine!

A series.....lordy lordy that's going back.

But I do remember my old 3 bearing 803cc Morris Minor would'nt do more than 45 without the sense the crankshaft would break......can't remember having an oil problem though.

We used Mineral Oil of the different grades before Multigrade came about, 

and when i was an Apprentice Mechanic we changed oil in Petrols at 6,000 miles and in diesels every 3,000 miles.

Leaded Petrol and MPG's then near as good as you get these days.

 

(These days 1 litre of dealership supplied synthetic oil costs more than the price of 2 gallons of Super Unleaded petrol,

and that can even be the Oil suitable for Fixed Services at 10,000 miles, not just Long Life Oil.)

Edited 24 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

Thanks for all the replies, it doesnt fill me with confidence which is a shame as I do like the Yeti.

If I was getting 0.5 litre consumption per 1,000 miles I could live with it (I wouldnt say I would be pleased) but it seems to me it is a bit of a gamble unless you can get the selling garage to do a 500 mile test of consumption or get a decent warranty that will cover this - but what is the fix? There seems to be some disagreement about what would need replacing - for example Watchdog (UK BBC TV Consumer Rights program) covered Audi TSI 2.0 engines using a lot of oil, Audi replied saying they changed the spec of the piston rings in mid 2011, yet there are still these issues cropping up since then

If the initial bedding in period is so important why dont the manufacturers do that running in bit in the factory in a controlled, optimised way??

They just built a lot of Lemons along with good ones.

 

Bedding in and running in is a Red Herring, 

cars drive on Transporters at the factory, on Ferries, to and at Dealerships, and then there are Demo Cars, Media Cars, 

Hire and Fleet Cars and Private Purchased Vehicles, and more good than bad, and often low mileage failures, 

but then some that might be fine for years then have issues.

 

Quality control issues along with Fundamental Design & Manufacturing faults, and Software errors.

What Audi tried was different from VW was already doing and Skoda & Seat.

 

There were faulty parts.

Engines were replaced, and not just 1.8 / 2.0 TSI / TFSI.  

there has been major failings in 1.4 TSI Twinchargers.

More failures as a percentage built of these than with the bigger capacity Turbo only engines.

(5 year in a row, 'International Engine of the year under 1,400cc!!)

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

 

What you do is buy a Skoda Warranty, then they know the Issues and they are covered, 

Other Warranty Providers might say 'Known Issues' yet they sell you a Warranty, they knew, VW knew, we know.

Edited 24 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

Here's an interesting thought......  an engine "using" a lot of oil is burning it (unless it's leaking out onto the road). So, surely it cant be doing the cat any good, and presumably the exhaust emissions must also be affected.

In which case there's also an environmental case for the manufacturer being taken to task if high oil consumption is a known problem with its engines.