I know everyone on here likes Jabba, but I like the fact that these two options allow map switching and are both carried out through the serial port. So, what are peoples experiences of both maps and customer cervices.

Thanks

Steve

My experience is with APR from Awesome GTI - superb place and product.

Reasons (other than the fact that I have it):

1) If you have cruise fitted, you get switchability with no added hardware needed at all.

2) You can have added programs including valet mode - can't rev over 4000revs, 98RON mode, security lockout -ecu disabled so even if keys are nicked, they're useless. fault code erase etc etc.

3)long established company with a great rep and massive R&D with reliable figures.

4)Now done with serial port, so completely invisible.

Personally, i think that on this forum, APR is often overlooked and I'm not just saying that because I have it. Yes, it is more expensive than Jabba but I think that the extras are worth it and functional. 2 different ways of doing it but both with very good results.

No experience of REVO but I do know if you want switchability, you have to have an extra piece of kit to plug into the OBD port and none of the extra functionality of the APR.

You pays yer money and all that...........

To switch programmes on REVO you need a SPS unit. I believe there is an ECU lock out mode which means even if someone haas the keys, without the SPS plugged in and the code entered they can't drive off.

Also the SPS3 unit allows you to play with aload of parameters to give better performance.

I think APR and REVO offer around the same functionality now but REVO perhaps is a little bit more cumbersome in that you have to plug in the SPS unit.

I think they're pretty close on price to around

There is more functionality from REVO than there is on APR.

Cruise stalk (an extra) is a neat option for switching APR's programs which I personally quite like the idea of.

SPS switching from REVO has 3 versions, from simple stock to performance code switch, or std to 95UL to 98UL and security immobiliser, or std to ignition and boost control and security immobiliser. SPS1,2,3 respectively.

Serial Port installed (which is the future of tuning ECU's)

Trials available - try before you buy type affair, and a very comprehensive code listing for vehicles way more than any other OBD2 reflashing tuner currently.

Remembering APR was introduced to the UK as APR-Europe who are effectively 90% the same people as REVO are today.

APR was/is a good product with their EMCS2 system, and OBD2 will be the next progression, pending code availability for European models. (USA based code & software expertise remember but well represented by Awesome GTi Store here in the UK with whats made available to them)

Bill

MTPW?

Edited to say, I got it now.

mtpw - my 2 pence worth.

Did I just make a short-hand/text thing up?

Edit: just saw your edit as I pressed the submit button.

Oh yeah, forgot to say that APR now do 6 hour trials. reminded by Bill's post.

The APR and REVO remaps are no more invisible than Jabbasport's with the exception that if the ECU is physically removed and opened, then it is possible to see that Jabbasport have replaced the original chip. However, as Jabbasport's site makes clear, 'with ALL remaps or software, including OBDII programming, reading the ECU's flash memory will reveal all regardless of mode selected. All are well within insurance companies approved assessors capabilities if required.' If a dealer were to ask me if my car had been modifed then I would be honest, just as I have been with my insurance company who, being LiverpoolVictoria, were not interested! Hopefully a dealer would be equally broadminded in the event of problems not directly attributable to the tuning. I used to think that it would be highly desirable to be able to hide the fact that my car had been remapped, but I don't hold that view any more.

I was once very tempted to take advantage of the REVO 5 hour trial until I realised that some REVO code (and perhaps even the whole lot since the chip can't reflash itself) remains on the chip at the end of the trial - and as such the car is no longer 'standard' for insurance purposes. Furthermore, I remain to be convinced that the ECU reverts to the full original programme - with the REVO code being completely isolated from the original code. Anecdotal evidence would suggest otherwise.