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Hello Guys,

 

i have problem with my high tire wear on rear axle. I put new tires before 15tkm and front looks like new and rear are dead. Tires are equally wear. I have also bigger car consumption. I also have problems when the road is slippery or i rode over a canal or center line so rear axle seems to get slip or it feels like that rear axle is thrown sideways. I think that there is no any problem with haldex but i change oil and filter and no any change. It seems that there is some problem with rear differential that maybe is locked up under some condition or i do not know, because i tried to pull out the fuse for rear axle but without any change. I think that there is also some valve for the LSD but is strange that this problem is same even i pull out the fuse. No any DTC on dash.

 

Can anyone please help here?

I've had a very similar issue with my scout where the rear tyres were wearing quicker than the front and the back end was very skittish over bumps, particular mid corner and prevalent when turning left.

This seemed to start after the rear discs and pads were changed (No proof this is what caused it though).

Was sorted by a full 4 wheel alignment on a hunter rig, no problems since so that's where I would start.

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I will start from beginning. When i bought this car it was before winter i place there new winter tires. I made as always a wheel alligment. But after the winter i end up with absoluttelly flat rear tyres and front were like new. So i thought that the alligment was done incorrectly so i bought absoluttelly new tyres before summer and now same result. When on the car are new tyres so problems are not so much obvious but i feel them, but by time like the wear of the rear tyres go down and down the problems are much and much obvious. I told my problem to original service when they did alligment before summer but they did not find anything. They did some axle check for bad bushings, shock absorber test and other but nothing found and as i said that on new tyres this problems are not so much obvious so they return me my car just with alligment check which according to result from machine was everything ok. This is really strange sittuation because i am able to repair everything on my car but on this i am end up with my knowledge. It seems that there is some problem with differencial is probably lock or lock on higher speed i do not know... i am thankfull for any help :)

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We're the alignments done on a Hunter rig? Or just standard garage alignment?

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On proffesional alligment digital machine before winter and before summer also. No any garage guys...

This is so much wear man....!!!

Surely it should have much differences in the geometry.

Should try an alignment in the Hunter and compare.

Not believe if rear diff gets engaged it should wear tyres that way...

How many km you run with the new tires until this happens?

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10000km. Guys i am absolutelly sure that geometry is ok. Why not differential? There is LSD which can slower down left or right side which can cause problem. From my POI it seems that rear axle is still braking some tires it also higher up my fuel consumption.

I don't believe the rear diff on the scout is an LSD.  The Scout uses electronics to give the effect of an LSD by using the ABS to physically break a wheel that has lost traction and so providing more drive to the wheels that do have traction - at least that's how I understand it anyway, kind of like a traction control system.

I must admit my rear tyres were going the same way in a surprisingly short amount of time until I had the hunter alignment.

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On this car is diff with LSD on 100%

One of  the Scouts I had suffered with rear tyre wear issues on the inner - I had 4 wheel full geo and stuck new tyres on and the issue was resolved.  Suggest getting it checked again and having a full 4 wheel geo before you do anything else.

 

If the geo is out then that will give you the effect you feel of backend feeling like its pulling sideways.    From your picture its as if that tyre is pointing outwards judging by the wear.

 

Once the tyres have worn like that then the car will feel strange even if the geo has then been corrected.

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Guys this was done 2times. Once before winter, second time before summer and results are same. Even when i have rear tires as i mentioned on the picture after winter so i place there a new summer tires and made a new geo in original servis and they told me that geo is fine no need to adjust, so there is no any problem with geo. I suppose that bad geo can cause tyre wear on some location like inside and outside or one tire will be worst than other but not bot tires absolutely same wear on whole tire.

The geometry being out on mine cause both tyres to wear normally across the whole tyre only very quickly.

Can you post a picture of the geo print out from your checks so we can see what the rear wheels are set to. It may be the garage didn't use the "rough road package" settings or something similar.

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This is from original service on the new summer tyres. Geometry measured before was without any tunes same as on completelly wear winter tires.

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Hello guys, so any comments here?

  • 1 year later...
On 06/10/2018 at 04:11, Darry said:

Hello guys, so any comments here?

 

Hi @Darry,

 

Did you still have similar problem(abnormal wearing for rear tyres)?

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My Tiguan MKII w/ 4Motion also using a Haldex system, and I got a dead rear tyres just after 5800KM (about half year). But the front tyres remaining very much tread.

Most of the driving with 2 people in front seat, no heavy loading. So I'm wondering if it is a traction issue from Haldex system...

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