I've owned a 2011 UK Fabia vRS Mk 2 from new; just completed 50,000 mls without mechanical issues.  It was never subject to the 34F7 Service Campaign, possibly because the DSG  had mineral, not synthetic, oil initially.  When I've asked about gear oil changes at past services (Allams main dealer for 5 years, then a VW-approved independent) they've consulted the manuals and said No, it's a sealed-for-life box.  The service book recommends at every 4 years/ 60,000 km "Inspect ATF level and quality and replace ATF if necessary", but I assume this hasn't been done on the understanding that it's designed as sealed-for-life and the service book anyway covers a range of Skoda models.

 

Given the criticism of the DQ200 by 'Honest' John and a handful of posters in the DQ200 sticky thread (yes! I spent an hour of my life reading it, even though it seems a tad repetitive) I'm wondering it it's worth getting a transmission specialist to change the gearbox oil for peace of mind.  Or do people feel this is a waste of money or might even provoke trouble?  I'm planning on keeping the car for the foreseeable future.  As implied above, I'm not aware of any gearbox deterioration, it's always been a little sluggish to take up drive from neutral but is then fine. 

 

Ancillary question: what is a reasonable life expectancy for the clutch pack - with previous manual cars 50,000 mls tended to be into risk territory?

 

Thanks.

Welcome.

There are 2009 Ibiza Twinchargers with over 100,000 miles and original clutch packs and there are 2010 vRS, Polo GTI or 2011 Audi A1 195ps.

 

There are 2 oils that can be changed, the Gearbox and the Mechatronic Control Units.

Look down the page another member asked this week about them.

 

I have found that Skoda / VW UK have been wrong on some DQ200 DSG's from 2009-2012 that they said did not need Service Campaign '34F7' carried out on.

But if all is well i would leave well alone.  Save your money for the Water Pump & Belts.

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

 

"imo" nothing can ever be filled for life............the oil cannot simply last that long doing what it should at the best of its ability. The other thing to consider, is "filled for life?"  what is life ??? 100k 200k ?? they wont say..........thats because if it sh...ts itself at 90K they would be liable warranty or not.

 

probably the biggest failure point of auto transmissions etc on most if not all cars is primarily caused by worn out oil, then the box wears and fails, especially on "filled for life"........

 

It's such an ambiguous term and for me simply rubbish. I for one will be changing atleast the gearbox oil at some point.

Edited 10 August, 20196 yr by UrbanPanzer

@UrbanPanzer

At what point in time or mileage are you intending doing it,

and do you know it has not been done already if you have not had the car from new?

cars on 43k, bought it with 19k on it, so doubt its been changed........will be done by 50K, maybe even sooner......already bought the tools / adpater to fill etc.

What does the adapter look like?

like this.... think its correct.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gearbox-Change-Adaptor-Audi-Filling/dp/B00QIZ2RVQ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dsg+oil+fill&qid=1565454642&s=gateway&sr=8-1

 

Interesting page here...

 

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/what-we-check-and-why/dsg-transmission-oil-and-filter-change

Edited 10 August, 20196 yr by UrbanPanzer

26 minutes ago, UrbanPanzer said:

like this.... think its correct.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gearbox-Change-Adaptor-Audi-Filling/dp/B00QIZ2RVQ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dsg+oil+fill&qid=1565454642&s=gateway&sr=8-1

 

Interesting page here...

 

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/what-we-check-and-why/dsg-transmission-oil-and-filter-change

 

Thats for the six speed gearbox that’s filled through the drain bung. 

 

As is the VW page. 

Edited 10 August, 20196 yr by Tech1e

3 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

 I would leave well alone. 

I would agree. If it ain't broken don't fix it.

My 7 speed DSG is on 146,000 miles

I member that changed the MCU oil.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/438177-12-tsi-turbo-carbon-deposits

 

36 minutes ago, Tech1e said:

 

Thats for the six speed gearbox that’s filled through the drain bung. 

 

As is the VW page. 

 

Thats what I thought, but then saw the drain plug etc underneath, so assumed its the same on the 7 speed.

 

Whats stops the 7 speed being filled the same way ?

The DQ250 is done totally differently, same oil box and MCU,

Engine running, box through the gears etc..

watch how on youtube.

 

 

 

This is a DQ200.  Mk3 Fabia. 1.2TSI.

 

Edited 10 August, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

11 minutes ago, UrbanPanzer said:

 

Thats what I thought, but then saw the drain plug etc underneath, so assumed its the same on the 7 speed.

 

Whats stops the 7 speed being filled the same way ?

 

No level tube in the bottom of the gearbox. Drain oil out and fill up the high pressure hydraulics from up top. 

 

7 speed uses separate oils for the gearbox and mechatronics. 

This is not applicable to the DQ200's.

 

 

25 minutes ago, Tech1e said:

 

No level tube in the bottom of the gearbox. Drain oil out and fill up the high pressure hydraulics from up top. 

 

7 speed uses separate oils for the gearbox and mechatronics. 

 

Was aware of the seprate oils, that was VAG's attempt I believe to stop the gearbox side of things contaminating the mechatronics unit, which is what happens in standard auto boxes like the ZF which say filled for life.

 

Ok, that clears that up, so need the top fill adapter 6262/4 then to fill the box itself. not thought about the mechatronics unit "yet"...

Twin Dry Clutch, as not oil bathed.

 

Wet Clutch DSG. 

 

 Autoboxes / torque converters.

Has anyone considering changing the dq200 oil ever had the clutch changed?

 

Might be worth taking it to a specialist and get it opened serviced property if it bothers you that much about the oil, I’d be wary about not flushing and cleaning things properly as just look at the debris that comes off the clutch and makes its way into and about the Dq200

 

 

 

Thanks for the replies to my original query.  I contacted Harveys Transmissions in Leatherhead (long established firm) but they said they don't work on 7-speed DSGs.

 

Co-incidentally, this question has just appeared on Honest John and confirms the advisability of regular oil changes if using mineral oil.  Still unclear though whether mine (Oct 2011 delivery) is mineral or synthetic - I'm inclined to think it's synthetic and "the system" at Skoda never initiated the 34F7 service recall.

 

3rd article here "Flaw to sealing"  

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/honest-johns-motoring-agony-column/2019-08/honest-johns-motoring-agony-column-17-08-2019/

 

Some DQ200 DSG from 2009-2012 did leave the factory with Mineral oil and not synthetic or so VW / Skoda say as they said the never required the World Wide Recall which was a European Voluntary Recall.

They seem to have not really known what was what because as it turned out some they said never needed it doing then got it done, and some that did not need it had it done.

 

They have no Service Schedule and that is said to be Sealed for Life.   They are not sealed for life. The Fluid can be changed.  Both Fluids as already said in this thread.

 

?

Does your car come up as needing it here, or is the Sticker in the boot.

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

Not showing here means nothing really since Skoda have a not fit for use system operating.

 

.........................

This thread is about the DQ380, 

but i was unaware about this Service Schedule in the thread on the 0GC DSG's and the 120,000 km Oil Change / Service Interval.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/470669-dq380-service-schedule

 

 

Edited 17 August, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

@victa

Thanks for that Honest John article.

 

Some good Dealerships and Independents have been recommending that the DSG's with Mineral should have the changes. 

Also some bad Dealerships or bad staff without a clue and that do not know why they are recommending it because they have no idea what a DQ200 is.

 

VW Group sold people cars, cars with Synthetic Oil that had no service Schedule, they had to change it to Mineral Oil, 

Then they started using Mineral oil.

 

VW Group should be changing for free anyone with a DQ200 DSG from 2009 - 2012 that had mineral oil at the service campaign and that needs changing each 4 years.

Why should the owner pay. Their co-ck up.

 

Then from 2012 on they used Mineral Oil, and never gave a service Interval for changes, still have not done, 

so are the good Dealerships and Independents right on Preventive Service / Oil changes and VW Group just taking the pith and saying nothing?