So I am presuming there will be a Skoda hatchback based on the VW ID platform and with VW and Seat not opting to use existing model names, do you think there will be a Fabia EV or will it have a new name?

Hope so! The small car electric sector is really uninspiring right now. My requirements are:

- 400 mile range on one charge

- Fabia-sized hatchback form factor

- Under £15k

Sort these and I'm very interested.

@ettlz You will be waiting a long time for that spec.

How often do you drive a 400 mile trip, without stopping for a comfort break?
 

The 2020 Peugeot e-208 & Vauxhall Corsa E are Fabia sized just not so tall and much the same as an Ibiza, Polo or A1 & they get just over 200 mile range by WLTP figures.

134 bhp / 260 Nm of torque.  £26,000-£35,000 OTR.

That is a bit better range than the cheapest of the VW ID3's will get. The ID3 nearer the higher costs will give lots more miles with a full battery.

 

& Citigo iV or Mii electric go from over £16,300-£24,000 plus.

 

I cant see a Fabia sized Skoda EV getting much more range than the cheapest ID3's any time in the near future.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 24 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

18 minutes ago, R i c h a r d said:

How often do you drive a 400 mile trip, without stopping for a comfort break?

Counterpoint; if you don't use the cafe, how often do you make a comfort stop that takes more than about 10 minutes? You need the comfort stop to be about the same as the refuelling rather than several times more.

The newer chargers are already able to add a significant amount of range in just 10 minutes and you do not need to completely fill your battery, which would take a lot longer, just enough to your next stop.

@Roottootemoot I really like the look of the Seat, more than the VW.
Fingers crossed Skoda offer us something great.

If you want to get a 100 miles more in with a 50kw rapid charger you are still waiting over 30 minutes if one is available on your route.

It is handy if you are paying to charge Rapid that there are toilets available there.  

 

More 100kw Rapid chargers are needed, thousands more on main routes and not main routes.

 

@Richard  Skoda are offering the Vision iV.   the just need to talk less and build and deliver them.

 

We will see just how much of this arrives in the showrooms.

Another one that should be called the Never-en-dum or Kumin-sometime.

 

 

 

Edited 24 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Indeed; ignoring the "full tank" thing, you need to be able to add more like 150 miles in the time for comfort to match my typical use case.

@Roottootemoot I agree the infrastructure does still need to improve but I don't believe it's as immediately inadequate as EV skeptics try to suggest.
A number of networks are already offering 150kW chargers. Tesla has even started rolling out their v3 which will add 75 miles in just 5 minutes. 

I suspect Seat and Skoda might be held back by VW who want their models to come to market first (especially after #dieselgate).

@KenONeill When you say "typical", do you have the misfortune to drive multiple 150 mile legs daily?
And are you really still using Windows XP or just haven't got round to updating your forum signature? 😉
 

Edited 24 December, 20196 yr by R i c h a r d

@Richard

They need to maybe think of travelling in Scotland where there is quite a lot of EV's being bought and leased and there is a lot of country north of the Central belt.

The Government offer a 6 year interest free loan on EV's and free home chargers and where travelling between cities in Scotland or travelling up the main route from North to South can mean snow gates closed or a journey that requires Rapid Charging in pretty adverse weather.

 

The Scottish Politicians talk about the millions they are spending, it is billions that is needed and then stopping the holding up of approval on planning applications for Filling Stations and facilities with EV charging that are private money are making and need retail outlets with them to make viable.

 

Tesla chargers are all good and well for those with a Tesla.

There are hotels near me with plenty Tesla charging, that is little use to those not travelling in a Tesla.

 

 

One development between Dundee & Aberdeen rejected.

One very near Aberdeen approved.   The first one is what is needed most, between cities.

 

 

 

Edited 25 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Didn't mean to suggest Tesla was the solution but where they lead others are trying to follow.

Although I did hear that once land owners figured out the EV charging site applications were for billionaire Elon Musk the rollout slowed dramatically.

 

Wish we could get that interest free loan in England as currently EVs are still super expensive compared to the ICE cars I've owned over the year.

If we can.. it would be nice to keep this thread positive about Skoda and their EV future, rather than debating the barriers to EV adoption.

Farad seems like an appropriate name.

On 24/12/2019 at 12:00, R i c h a r d said:

@ettlz You will be waiting a long time for that spec.

How often do you drive a 400 mile trip, without stopping for a comfort break?
 

The issue is 400 mile range can be 3 hours at 80mph in cold windy weather before a recharge.
 

3 hours @ 80 mph takes you just 240 miles.  Sort of Kia e-Niro with a tail wind distance.

 

400 miles @ 80 mph is taking 5 hours at the wheel.

Edited 25 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

10 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

3 hours @ 80 mph takes you just 240 miles.  Sort of Kia e-Niro with a tail wind distance.

 

400 miles @ 80 mph is taking 5 hours at the wheel.

And your figures presume that available range is not affected by any of temperature, wind chill or butting a headwind.

No my figures are how long it takes at 80 mph in a petrol, diesel, hybrid, EV or a motorbike, van, train, bus etc. 

Nothing to do with what vehicle.

 

Averaging 80mph on UK roads for 400 miles is good going, it gets you newspaper coverage.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

3 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

No my figures are how long it takes at 80 mph in a petrol, diesel, hybrid, EV or a motorbike, van, train, bus etc. 

Nothing to do with what vehicle.

And I didn't mention vehicle type or fuel; just 3 factors known to affect battery capacity and consumption. You can actually read ?

I read exactly what you wrote.  Still not getting your point.   Read what i wrote again, and read the 'Sort of Kia e-Niro with a tail wind distance.'

 

I spoke about 400 miles and the time driving. Not about if a EV could do 400 miles.

That seems to be where you failed to read what was written.

 

That is the 240 mile bit.   Sort of a what i got with one, sort of thing.  Maybe go try one.   

Never got that in 3 hours @ an average 80 mph, but then never driven anyplace in Scotland for 3 hours at 80 mph to get 240 miles.

 

PS

Windchill is something flesh feels & there is the affect on, as we debated before in threads. 

Windchill is not affecting the batteries while running.  Ambient temperatures do, 

 

You can pre-heat the batteries and the vehicles interior, drive with heated seats, and steering wheel, 

and just worry about the windchill if you get out to shovel the snow as you get caught in blizzard like conditions.

(Running the heating is an issue if you are stuck at snowgates or gridlock traffic for hours or days, but then dont use a EV when that is the conditions.)

 

Don't go longer than your range and do not eat the Yellow snow, and remember where you live and drive actually, 

Scotland can be chilly but then how are you getting on temperature wise with the trips you have made this winter so far?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

I can't be bothered with this nonsense. Screenwash freezes at 60 mph at a temperature too high for it to freeze when stationary. That is what is meant by wind chill; end of!!

So you say.   You can take heat out of something that is hot.

You can cool it to the air temp.

 

There is the triple point of water, where you have liquid in a vacuum and it can boil and freeze liquid at the same time as is used to ventilate deep mines.

I am sure you will go google that,

 

Freezing rain is common, and deadly. Rain hitting frozen surfaces.

Rain is H20.  we change the freezing point of H20 with windscreen concentrate or ready mix of water ever freezing point.

It might stay liquid in the bottle and not in the pipes or nozzles.

Then there is the temperature of the windscreen inside and out, that will depend on the temperature inside and out.

 

Sometimes if my screen freezes with the washer fluid hitting it i get the spray off a lorry to help clear it, then use the windscreen wash.

 

 

 

No windchill here....   You make snow in a snow dome or from snow guns by spraying H20 into the cold air, but it needs an ice nucleus.  That is particles to initiate the freezing process.

 

 

 

Edited 25 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

29 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

triple point of water, where you have liquid in a vacuum and it can boil and freeze liquid at the same time as is used to ventilate deep mines.

I am sure you will go google that,

Don't have to thanks; I'm fairly certain that you did though, but didn't understand the results of the search properly. (big hint - the triple point of a liquid is not related to the ambient pressure to the extent you imply; anyone who tries to say it is is introducing a straw man to pretend they know more than they do).

All this technical talk seems a little irrelevant. Norway is a cold country and the electric vehicle market share there suggests their weather is not an issue.

 

If you're not ready to switch to an EV, that's fine, but please try not to pretend the reason is because you cannot manage without 400 miles of range on a single charge. 

@KenONeill

You are wrong again. i did not google.

I watched 'Worlds deepest mine' last night on Quest.   The point i was making was there was something that had nothing to do with the subject like you saying 'windchill'.

 

My favourite subject is Ice and Snow. I got to know about it hanging about the Ice making machine at the harbour i grew up beside, and working there occasionally when a kid, & then Ice Rinks and Ski Centres where they make ice and snow.

How get to know about temperatures.

 

The issues of EV's and weather etc are well known, as are the issues of so far VW are letting Skoda do a Citigo and some light hybrids and that is it for a good while.

No under £18,000 family size EV for the UK unless it is a small family wanting a low range EV..

Edited 25 December, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot