On 15/02/2021 at 08:27, cheezemonkhai said:

Love to know what the problem was with the 1.8tdci....

 

 

IIRC 1.8 TDCI had a wet belt that could sometimes snap leaving you without oil pressure. So that’s more maintenance and worry rather than just using a chain. 
 

 

1 hour ago, SuperbTWM said:

IIRC 1.8 TDCI had a wet belt that could sometimes snap leaving you without oil pressure. So that’s more maintenance and worry rather than just using a chain. 
 

 

Honestly never heard of that... ours had a fairly standard cam belt and a good 100k Mike/10 year interval .

 

Both far better than the equivalent VW range at the time.

 

I would guess like VW people don’t do the tensioner at the same time and problems occur.

 

One thing to be aware of is that the 1.8TDCI ECU limited torque at the bottom end of the revs to protect the DMF so it was a bit more petrol like to drive. In a focus is was a great engine imho 👍

8 minutes ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Honestly never heard of that... ours had a fairly standard cam belt and a good 100k Mike/10 year interval .

 

Both far better than the equivalent VW range at the time.

 

I would guess like VW people don’t do the tensioner at the same time and problems occur.

 

One thing to be aware of is that the 1.8TDCI ECU limited torque at the bottom end of the revs to protect the DMF so it was a bit more petrol like to drive. In a focus is was a great engine imho 👍

They do have a standard Cam belt. And most people haven’t heard of it, that’s why no preventative measures are taken and they snap 😂

 

Im not bashing TDCI engines though I don’t think they are too bad, they were used all over the shop including loads of French cars, and I think lack of maintenance causes issues that then gives them a bad name. I don’t think they are as good as VW though.

 

Our 5 year old S max doesn’t start as positively as any VAG diesel I’ve had, sometimes it cranks longer than usual or has a lumpy startup and I’ve heard plenty of others do the same, you can deffo hear the diesel knock/rattle  a lot more in Fords as well. 

30 minutes ago, SuperbTWM said:

They do have a standard Cam belt. And most people haven’t heard of it, that’s why no preventative measures are taken and they snap 😂

 

Im not bashing TDCI engines though I don’t think they are too bad, they were used all over the shop including loads of French cars, and I think lack of maintenance causes issues that then gives them a bad name. I don’t think they are as good as VW though.

 

Our 5 year old S max doesn’t start as positively as any VAG diesel I’ve had, sometimes it cranks longer than usual or has a lumpy startup and I’ve heard plenty of others do the same, you can deffo hear the diesel knock/rattle  a lot more in Fords as well. 

 

I think they've both got their ups and down.

If it's the 1.6 TDCI, I don't like them at all... google reveals their issues.

The 2.0 depending on which version and the injection system, emmisions controls depends on how it is.

 

I mean lets be honest, it's a diesel, but more important than if it's a TDCI/VAG engine, is probably if it's been looked after properly as you suggest

Our 2.0 TDCI 150 is Euro 6 and despite it being 4WD and weighing an absolute ton manages to meet the emissions limits without the use of Adblue whereas my Passat does, so you could argue that in that respect it is better. It also manages to regenerate without actually showing any signs of doing so, never increased idle and never smells like burning with fans running. If the exhaust wern't spotless I would be convinced it had been mapped out.

 

I know the 1.6 TDCI engine has a bad rep for killing turbos, i'm not sure if its just this model but for some reason they fitted a strainer to the oil feed so it can block and starve the turbo of oil,(probably caused by lack of maintenance once they fall into the hands of people that don't care as they get older) My Dad currently has a 1.6 Focus and he has removed this gauze/strainer and we also did the same to my sisters Picasso with the same engine. Other than that they havn't missed a beat. Also had the trusty old 2.2 engine in his Freelander 2 which never failed him.

Fortunately there is a site which has all the data for running cost, Fleet news. If one sets the filter for estate car it misses out some estates so I set to small car, 60k miles 3 years and this what you get........

 https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/car-running-costs-calculator?Years=3&Miles=60000&CarType=small-car&Manufacturer=&Model=&CO2From=&CO2To=&BIKPriceFrom=&BIKPriceTo=&SortBy=IsFleetPick&SortDesc=False&FuelType=

 

19 of the top 20 cars are Dacia which most knowledgable car mag people know.  Logan is the estate, bigger than a Fabia estate, not quite as big as Octy.

Had a Logan with the 3 cylinder Nissan/Renault turbo engine in, 65K miles made money even at Public Transport rate of 25p a mile.  Had fun in it even beating a Fiesta and topping out at over 115 mph.     https://www.dacia.co.uk/awards.html

 

LPG versions with 100 hp set new records for low running costs.  You still get the full size petrol tank as well.  

The first Suzuki Slow to appear on this list is about 110th down if one can bother to look that far down.

The below model should be going cheaper soon as the new versions of the Dacia road cars Logan/Sandero/Stepway are out soon and based on Mk4 Clio platform which is very nice an includes the Clio RS of course.

Make	Derivative	P11D Value	Cost per mile
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0TCe Bi-Fuel 100 GPF SS €6 Essential P-LPG 19MY	£8,925	19.79p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0TCe Bi-Fuel 100 GPF SS €6 Essential P-LPG 6Spd 21MY	£10,175	20.28p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0SCe 65 €6 Access 21MY	£7,765	20.56p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0TCe Bi-Fuel 100 GPF SS €6 Comfort P-LPG 19MY	£10,075	20.68p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0SCe 75 €6 Access 19MY	£6,765	20.72p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0SCe 65 €6 Essential 21MY	£8,765	21.40p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0SCe 75 €6 Essential 19MY	£7,765	21.50p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0TCe Bi-Fuel 100 GPF SS €6 Comfort P-LPG 6Spd 21MY	£11,775	21.87p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Stepway 1.0TCe Bi-Fuel 100 GPF SS €6 Essential P-LPG 19MY	£10,285	21.92p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Stepway 1.0TCe Bi-Fuel 100 GPF SS €6 Essential P-LPG 6Spd 21MY	£11,135	21.94p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0SCe 75 €6 Comfort 19MY	£8,775	22.31p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0TCe 90 SS €6 Essential 6Spd 21MY	£9,765	22.48p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Stepway 1.0TCe Bi-Fuel 100 GPF SS €6 Comfort P-LPG 19MY	£11,285	22.86p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 0.9TCe 90 SS €6 Essential 19MY	£8,525	22.97p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Logan MCV 1.0SCe 75 €6 Access 18MY	£8,265	23.19p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Stepway 1.0TCe Bi-Fuel 100 GPF SS €6 SE Twenty P-LPG 20MY	£11,685	23.25p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Stepway 1.0TCe Bi-Fuel 100 GPF SS €6 Comfort P-LPG 6Spd 21MY	£12,795	23.62p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Stepway 1.0SCe 75 €6 Essential 19MY	£8,975	23.68p	View data Add to compare
Citroen	C1 Hatch 3Dr 1.0VTi 72 SS €6 Live 21MY	£10,120	23.84p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 0.9TCe 90 SS €6 Comfort 19MY	£9,675	24.01p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Sandero Hatch 5Dr 1.0TCe 90 SS €6 Comfort 6Spd 21MY	£11,365	24.06p	View data Add to compare
Dacia	Logan MCV 1.0SCe 75 €6 Essential 18MY	£9,265	24.14p	View data Add to compare