Essex County Council

Communications Team·

15 hrs ago

The first residential electric vehicle chargers in Essex have now been installed ⚡ The chargers, which are located on Moulsham Street in Chelmsford and Wimpole Road in Colchester, are the first of 66 for the county with more points to be installed over the next six months. They have been funded by £236,000 from the Government’s residential charge point scheme and it is hoped they will help to encourage more residents to swap to an electric car 🚗

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

Not a journalist then, not a reliable source of any news and not someone that checks sources once, twice or thrice. He reads out what others publish.

This is the issue with Vloggers that just say stuff regardless and then others share and repeat.

I see the media that reported a fire, just not a EV fire.

It was which of them i was asking that had reported an EV fire caused the disruption. So which Live broadcast and updates he was telling us about. Is it LBC or AN Other?

EDIT.

I see / hear. THE MIRROR & THE SUN.

So they are the reporters of False News without doing Journalistic Checks.

Scottish DAILY RECORD as well. Same publishers as THE MIRROR.

Everything needs taken with a degree of mistrust.

I have been wondering what i would say to Geoff of Worcescsestershire if I say him, nothing nice i am sure.

Leach comes to mind but then I knew a nice customs officer called Geoff Leach, can't remember the spelling but it would sound the same.

Liked this.......

The Tesla chainsaw massacre stock market valuation, it is now halved I gather..........

And even on Elon's X, he is pro free speech it is good to see below ....

Edited 12 March, 20251 yr by lol-lol

Elon Musk can lose 99% of his personal wealth and very likely be a wealthy man as long as he lives, as will be his nearest and dearest.

'Tariff' might well be his favourite word as well as his bestie.

Good cars as far as cars go, and a good charging infrastructure in the UK.

I understand those that do not like or want a Tesla, but anyone that wants rid of one because of him are cutting off their nose to spite their face IMO.

Tesla shares 11/03/24 $177.77
10/03/25 $225.66

The Donald said he would have the pink one.

No way is he having any affect on the markets and desirability of a Tesla. But it looked a good choice to me.

3 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Elon Musk can lose 99% of his personal wealth and very likely be a wealthy man as long as he lives, as will be his nearest and dearest.

'Tariff' might well be his favourite word as well as his bestie.

Good cars as far as cars go, and a good charging infrastructure in the UK.

I understand those that do not like or want a Tesla, but anyone that wants rid of one because of him are cutting off their nose to spite their face IMO.

Like Donald Elon could go bankrupt in on or more of his businesses.

His family have been been dumping their shares in huge chucks.

If, say the car business, becomes so unprofitable, as seems to happening, then a point is reached, like with Nissan now, that the supplier contracts for batteries etc which they just cannot fulfil as car demand has spiralled downwards then Musk may just choose to walk away from TESLA or more likely sell it so his toxicity is no longer affecting the brand, it would be a good buy for one of the three big US brands or even outside the industry. Tesla could then continue its journey.

Like with Trump seeing one of the business go bust effectively, Trumps has had 3 or is it 4 bankruptcies, does affect ones future investment as one gets a reputation for being toxic in the money markets.

Arthur Andersen, Enron, Madoff all thought too big to fail but now in the history books as super massive collapses.

@lol-lol More likely that they die before ever being bust.

If you think you have your pension and taxes sorted then so do they.

You really have no idea just how many little fingers The Donald has in so many pies.

Globally.

He loves making Tax losses. Spending others money.

If it is true that China (The Peoples Republic) is buying TESLA shares fronted by others that is interesting or is it just Fake News.

Buying while at a low is Simply Clever as long as there is not going to be a crash.

Maybe a better bet than VW Shares.

Edited 12 March, 20251 yr by Ootohere

As I have always said that not all Vloggers are leeches or Rodneys, Mguy does check the facts, as does John Caddogan and so far as I have seen do most of the Vloggers but sometimes in the rush to be the first with the news, they don't always get hold of the truth but do normally put out corrections when they discover the truth.

He does get a statement from the LFB where they say that a Journalist was incorrectly told in the first instance that the car was an EV, which is what they were told when called to attend the fire. LFB said that had it been an EV then there was no way that they could have put the fire in such a short period of time.

Heathrow tunnel fire was NOT an EV or hybrid | MGUY News 14 March 2025

Edited 14 March, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

There must be 1.5 million BEV,s in the UK by now then the other electrified cars and fires of these seem not to be that common.

It is like some very sad vloggers are waiting to wet their pants in excitement when there are fatalities, Homes or blocks of homes or car parks or other buildings going on fire.

The comments on many Youtube postings about the Government not allowing reports of EV fires is just odd.

The UK Government can not organise a pith up on St Patrick day let alone control the media.

44 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

There must be 1.5 million BEV,s in the UK by now then the other electrified cars and fires of these seem not to be that common.

It is like some very sad vloggers are waiting to wet their pants in excitement when there are fatalities, Homes or blocks of homes or car parks or other buildings going on fire.

The comments on many Youtube postings about the Government not allowing reports of EV fires is just odd.

The UK Government can not organise a pith up on St Patrick day let alone control the media.

Oh I don't know, they managed to keep dragging their feet on the issue of flammable cladding on buildings and also take their time over sorting out the **** show that was/is the Grenfill Tower fire and the avoidable deaths.

London ULEZ 1 year report by GLA, methodology reviewed by an independent advisory group:

London City Hall

London-wide Ultra Low Emission Zone One Year Report

In this report, we evaluate the impacts of the ULEZ and the LEZ schemes, focusing on one year following the London-wide ULEZ expansion.

Due to the London-wide ULEZ expansion: 

• Air pollutant emissions in 2024 were lower than expected compared to a scenario without the ULEZ expansion. Specifically:   

  • Nitrogen oxides (NO_X) emissions from cars and vans in outer London are estimated to be 13 per cent and 16 per cent lower respectively.  

  • Particulate Matter 2.5 (PM_2.5) exhaust emissions from cars and vans in outer London are estimated to be 31 per cent lower. 

  • Outer London boroughs are seeing the largest impacts from the London-wide expansion. NO_X emissions are estimated to be between nine per cent and 15 per cent lower across all boroughs than would have been expected without the London-wide ULEZ expansion. 

Advisory Group

A group of independent air quality analysis experts was set up to assist Transport for London (TfL) and the Greater London Authority (GLA). Their main role was to impartially review, and quality assure, the London-wide ULEZ analysis carried out by TfL and the GLA.  

I thought it was 'Go woke go broke' not 'go full on Nazi go broke'🤔

https://electrek.co/2025/03/14/tesla-is-done-in-germany-94-say-they-wont-buy-a-tesla-car/

A survey of over 100,000 Germans revealed that 94% won’t buy a Tesla vehicle. It doesn’t bode well for the automaker, whose sales had already been falling off a cliff in the important European market.

Considering the difficulties Tesla faced to get the Berlin factory going, I suspect the % was probably already quite high before the troubled Muskmelon go full Nazi.

Tesla is always a divisive brand from inception due to their disruptive nature. Germans love their cars just as Japanese are loyal to theirs.

Considering he no longer spends much time for Tesla, I can only hope he is ousted from the company soon. The image just gets worse and worse by the day, we are not even 2 months into the sponsored presidency.

A car company that sells only electric cars which rely on camaras rather than Lidar....... Shock

Perhaps the UK should consider stopping all Tesla sales until the bad weather safety performance etc issue is fixed and require all teslas on the road to be retro fitted ?

A thousand accidents attributed to poor safety performance in poor light conditions plus those dozen or so deaths should be reason enough

Euroncap is run in good light conditions, looks like the tests should be run in fog, heavy rain, low sun etc where Teslas seem to perform badly.

Better off in a Dacia Spring and the walking, cycling public would be too.

Edited 17 March, 20251 yr by lol-lol

17 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Perhaps the UK should consider stopping all Tesla sales until the bad weather safety performance etc issue is fixed and require all teslas on the road to be retro fitted ?

A thousand accidents attributed to poor safety performance in poor light conditions plus those dozen or so deaths should be reason enough

Euroncap is run in good light conditions, looks like the tests should be run in fog, heavy rain, low sun etc where Teslas seem to performance badly.

Better off in a Dacia Spring and the walking, cycling public would be too.

Come on now, let's be real and look at Tesla's failed tests. No (sane) human driver will look at those conditions thinking it'll be alright to plow through.

The key here is every single Tesla on UK and European road with autopilot are not claiming to be self driving. Driver are always 100% responsible just as plane pilots are always 100% responsible what its autopilot are doing.

The low sun and night time tests show Tesla's vision based vehicle safety system performing AEB exactly as designed.

The only possible failing is that many drivers don't RTFM and learn about system limitations. Whether that is an issue that can ever be fixed by one company is debatable.

The original video by the excellent Mark Rober's educational video articulated the difference to LIDAR very well. It would be good to post the educational source video, rather than rambling of a pointless politically charged channel with agenda behind it. Looking at its views, obviously it is gunning for Muskmelon controversal audience, not much different to many other videos posted here.

Edited 17 March, 20251 yr by wyx087

4 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Come on now, let's be real and look at Tesla's failed tests. No (sane) human driver will look at those conditions thinking it'll be alright to plow through.

The key here is every single Tesla on UK and European road with autopilot are not claiming to be self driving. Driver are always 100% responsible just as plane pilots are always 100% responsible what its autopilot are doing.

The low sun and night time tests show Tesla's vision based vehicle safety system performing AEB exactly as designed.

The only possible failing is that many drivers don't RTFM and learn about system limitations. Whether that is an issue that can ever be fixed by one company is debatable.

The original video by the excellent Mark Rober's educational video articulated the difference to LIDAR very well. It would be good to post the educational source video, rather than rambling of a pointless politically charged channel with agenda behind it. Looking at its views, obviously it is gunning for Muskmelon controversal audience, not much different to many other videos posted here.

I think much of the problem is that those driving Teslas believe that the cars systems are a lot better than they are.

UK police driving in their high cab motorway vehicle so they can look in to cars, vans and even trucks and then see a Tesla driver in the car on his own sitting in the passenger seat and no one in the drivers seat. This is clearly way more faith the the Tesla's systems deserve to have placed in them.

Cases of Teslas just pulling across the road on trucks with gaps under their load which Teslas optical systems sees as the road clear and so crosses into the path of the truck.

Reminds me of the German WW2 battleships and battle cruisers which used great optical rangefunding whereas the British used radar on the ships and on the cliffs of Dover to spot the Nazi aircraft and vessels but in the dark, or foggy or rainy conditions you would rather have the radar rather than the optical systems and that us one of the main reason the Nazis lost the war.

Edited 17 March, 20251 yr by lol-lol

28 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

I think much of the problem is that those driving Teslas believe that the cars systems are a lot better than they are.

UK police driving in their high cab motorway vehicle so they can look in to cars, vans and even trucks and then see a Tesla driver in the car on his own sitting in the passenger seat and no one in the drivers seat. This is clearly way more faith the the Tesla's systems deserve to have placed in them.

Cases of Teslas just pulling across the road on trucks with gaps under their load which Teslas optical systems sees as the road clear and so crosses into the path of the truck.

Reminds me of the German WW2 battleships and battle cruisers which used great optical rangefunding whereas the British used radar on the ships and on the cliffs of Dover to spot the Nazi aircraft and vessels but in the dark, or foggy or rainy conditions you would rather have the radar rather than the optical systems and that us one of the main reason the Nazis lost the war.

I would not trust any form of self-driving car, it is software driven and surely by now we have all had some pretty harrowing experiences with software that has been tested, and yet they still get errors and bugs. Remember the millennium bug when planes were meant to be crashing out of the sky etc. Our phones, tablets and computers are all often receiving updates to cure bugs that have been discovered in the software, and very often after they issue a patch that patch has a knock on and affects something else that then requires fix and so iot rumbles on.

I think someone smarter than me on SpeakEV puts it really well:

I believe the difference between the Tesla approach and that of other car makers is mostly historical. Other car makers have been adding safety features to cars to try to provide assistance to the driver by effectively enhancing human senses. The idea was to provide safety sensing systems that were, in effect, "super human". Tesla approached FSD by assuming that as human senses were safe enough to allow people to drive cars an autopilot shouldn't need anything better.

The result is that the Tesla system is just as flawed as humans are, whilst the systems used by other car manufacturers are designed to remove or reduce the impact of human sensing flaws. Cost probably plays a part, too, but I doubt it is that significant, given that so many non-Tesla vehicles have these additional, non-visual, sensing systems now.

Just as your example with radar, whether the car should be more capable than human is the key question here. That is the point of Mark Rober's video but missed by the politically charged video.

But whatever the case, I personally feel none of those systems can operate fully independently. (level 5 autonomy). Thus it is reasonable to say ONLY relying on the LIDAR/RADAR system whilst driving blind in fog/rain like shown in the video is just stupid. Therefore, to me, as long as understanding system limitations, Tesla's camera only approach is good enough.

1 minute ago, wyx087 said:

I think someone smarter than me on SpeakEV puts it really well:

Just as your example with radar, whether the car should be more capable than human is the key question here. That is the point of Mark Rober's video but missed by the politically charged video.

But whatever the case, I personally feel none of those systems can operate fully independently. (level 5 autonomy). Thus it is reasonable to say ONLY relying on the LIDAR/RADAR system whilst driving blind in fog/rain like shown in the video is just stupid. Therefore, to me, as long as understanding system limitations, Tesla's camera only approach is good enough.

Good enough for what ?

Good enough equivalent to teaching a 5 year old to drive on the beach as long as one is ready to intercede at a quarter seconds notice ?

That is not even reliable adaptive cruise control to me never mind self driving and I therefore would not use it at all for fear it would let me down and end some one or several people using such systems with such flaws. Simply would never switch them on.

4 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Good enough for what ?

Good enough equivalent to teaching a 5 year old to drive on the beach as long as one is ready to intercede at a quarter seconds notice ?

That is not even reliable adaptive cruise control to me never mind self driving and I therefore would not use it at all for fear it would let me down and end some one or several people using such systems with such flaws. Simply would never switch them on.

Wholeheartedly agree. I don't trust my ACC at all, I always have my foot hovering above the brake pedal ready to disengage it should I need to at any time.

Even if @wyx087 thinks its good enough, I don't and there will be many others out there with blind faith that because it is installed in their cars, that it must be 100% safe to use. How many people are going to die before someone wakes up and smells the coffee.

But as Mark Rober's video also pointed out, Musk is now in the process of shutting down the very dept that has been looking this problem and why there has been so many crashes with cars where the self-driving mode has been activated. That is just so scary to think that such a thing can be effectively silenced, well its totally immoral in my view.

Edited 17 March, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

15 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Good enough for what ?

Good enough equivalent to teaching a 5 year old to drive on the beach as long as one is ready to intercede at a quarter seconds notice ?

That is not even reliable adaptive cruise control to me never mind self driving and I therefore would not use it at all for fear it would let me down and end some one or several people using such systems with such flaws. Simply would never switch them on.

Tesla's autopilot is assistive tech, so needing to closely monitor and take over is normal.

"Good enough" for driving the vehicle within same limitation as humans driving the same vehicle in same condition. Just as you and Graham, I would not put full trust into any system and blindly drive into fog/rain like shown in the video. Therefore, why do we need LIDAR/RADAR?

I don't know how much autopilot you've personally driven.

But so far in over 20k miles driven in my car, with it turned on as much as possible, I feel adaptive cruise part is certainly far better than the radar based systems in Kona and Megane, let alone 10 years old Octavia. It tracks cars far better through bends and reacts to other cars changing lane quicker.

No, I don't experience much phantom braking. May be a mild one every 1000 miles at most.

27 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Tesla's autopilot is assistive tech, so needing to closely monitor and take over is normal.

"Good enough" for driving the vehicle within same limitation as humans driving the same vehicle in same condition. Just as you and Graham, I would not put full trust into any system and blindly drive into fog/rain like shown in the video. Therefore, why do we need LIDAR/RADAR?

I don't know how much autopilot you've personally driven.

But so far in over 20k miles driven in my car, with it turned on as much as possible, I feel adaptive cruise part is certainly far better than the radar based systems in Kona and Megane, let alone 10 years old Octavia. It tracks cars far better through bends and reacts to other cars changing lane quicker.

No, I don't experience much phantom braking. May be a mild one every 1000 miles at most.

I think lidar/radar is a better technology as it does what I cannot ie bounce radio or sound waves into and read messages back whereas camera are only a secondary visual system and I am happy trusting my eyes and brain rather than Tesla optics and Tesla software.

The radar I don't have as I am not a bat or Daredevil (would not admit even i was). Radar enhances what i cannot do, optics and software, not so much.

Edited 17 March, 20251 yr by lol-lol