@lol-lol yes, we all get that and how it affects you and also how you use it and plan to take it with you should you move etc. The thing is even if everybody was to do that, bearing mind that plenty could not afford to do that or even wish to have solar arrays or storage batteries for cost or many other reasons, not forgetting that for many home charging is impossible. That is still not going to be able to meet the energy needs for all of the EV vehicles in time for the governments plans with the HGV's etc and the power stations and transmission lines from Scotland will take far longer to get in place and operation to meet the plans.

54 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@lol-lol yes, we all get that and how it affects you and also how you use it and plan to take it with you should you move etc. The thing is even if everybody was to do that, bearing mind that plenty could not afford to do that or even wish to have solar arrays or storage batteries for cost or many other reasons, not forgetting that for many home charging is impossible. That is still not going to be able to meet the energy needs for all of the EV vehicles in time for the governments plans with the HGV's etc and the power stations and transmission lines from Scotland will take far longer to get in place and operation to meet the plans.

Everyone who has electricity can use batteries, charge at night and use thay electricity during day and start saving, lije I said batteries from a few pounds. As per my previous post millions are doing balcony solar, hand a panel or the foldable ones which are lightweight and can hang, out of windows etc. Also cheap to buy. Only real exclusion is if one is facing directly north and won't collect solar. Even then there are ways to get power. I can see battery swaps for chaged one.

Power from Scotland is going to be moved via sub sea interconnectors so no on landed pylons. The bew Denmark interconnector bringing more cheap wind power to UK. UK needs those Bristol Channel tidal projects up abd running along with Hinckley C abd all connected to the wider Grid via the new T pylons.

The future has a green light for Green energy.

12 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Everyone who has electricity can use batteries, charge at night and use thay electricity during day and start saving, lije I said batteries from a few pounds. As per my previous post millions are doing balcony solar, hand a panel or the foldable ones which are lightweight and can hang, out of windows etc. Also cheap to buy. Only real exclusion is if one is facing directly north and won't collect solar. Even then there are ways to get power. I can see battery swaps for chaged one.

Power from Scotland is going to be moved via sub sea interconnectors so no on landed pylons. The bew Denmark interconnector bringing more cheap wind power to UK. UK needs those Bristol Channel tidal projects up abd running along with Hinckley C abd all connected to the wider Grid via the new T pylons.

The future has a green light for Green energy.

Nobody is disputing what you are saying in essence; yes, anyone could do this or that, but they first of all have to have the money, what you call a little money might be an impossible amount to others. There are so many reasons why a person cannot or doesn't want to do it.

Maybe if your batteries were to fail and take your house with them, then maybe you might think to yourself that just maybe, you took it a bridge too far? For many people this is a real concern for them. Who knows?

My wife wouldn't like me to go down that route, it was bad enough getting the solar array accepted, and even more so when it sat on the roof for a year, dead as a dodo, after the company looking after it did not want to come and fix it.

Like I said earlier, you really could with your unbridled passion for all things electric and your unshakeable belief that there are no problems with it, get yourself a job on the Fully Charged Show.

You need to accept that others don't see it as clear-cut as you; there are conflicting scientific reports on the subject from many respected universities. Why is that only those backed by the government get the oxygen? After all, the government are only career politicians in the main; very few of them have any scientific background or engineering degrees or experience, and they seem only too willing to back the ideas put forward by think tanks. Who also happen to bankroll many of them, for example, the Lettuce who only held office for 44 days. 😁

Liz Truss: UK Prime Minister’s campaign funded in part by wealthy who stood to benefit from controversial tax cuts | CNN
These people don't provide backing without the prospect of getting that back with a massive profit margin built in Politics is a dirty business don't you know?

Edited 14 February14 Feb by Graham Butcher

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Power from Scotland is going to be moved via sub sea interconnectors so no on landed pylons. The bew Denmark interconnector bringing more cheap wind power to UK. UK needs those Bristol Channel tidal projects up abd running along with Hinckley C abd all connected to the wider Grid via the new T pylons.

The future has a green light for Green energy.

Err, you are partly right on that one. There is a subsea cable going into Norfolk that is correct, but it is then planned to go up on pylons all the way to Tilbury in south Essex, on the Thames. As this article shows, 15th Jan 2026 is meeting stiff opposition. Huge line of pylons will 'irreversibly destroy' Essex countryside - Essex Live

This is the planned route for the Essex part of the line.

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Err, you are partly right on that one. There is a subsea cable going into Norfolk that is correct, but it is then planned to go up on pylons all the way to Tilbury in south Essex, on the Thames. As this article shows, 15th Jan 2026 is meeting stiff opposition. Huge line of pylons will 'irreversibly destroy' Essex countryside - Essex Live

This is the planned route for the Essex part of the line.

I've they use T pylons rather than the old style pylons they are only two thirds the size, more squat.

Also there's option to go under ground as with the lines to Dinorwig which travel thru Snowdonia National Park. More expensive butvyoy do get nice little shepherd cabins that have warmth for survival in snow etc.

I thought there was going to be two or more under sea interconnectors. They are becoming more and more common and now several projects for intercontinental ones not just intercontinental ones.

It's always shining somewhere.

"It can't rain all the time" (The Crow )

@lol-lol the option of going underground has already been suggested and thrown out on the cost factor alone. Extending the subsea cable has also been thrown out. What they are chewing over now I think is the final route of the pylons.

26 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@lol-lol the option of going underground has already been suggested and thrown out on the cost factor alone. Extending the subsea cable has also been thrown out. What they are chewing over now I think is the final route of the pylons.

You just talking about Essex ?

If they use T pylons and keep then off them off the skyline. South Essex is hardly a general beauty spot though I gave seen some nice parts in the northern part of Essex ie up towards the east Anglian counties and I hope best aesthetic solution is found.

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

You just talking about Essex ?

If they use T pylons and keep then off them off the skyline. South Essex is hardly a general beauty spot though I gave seen some nice parts in the northern part of Essex ie up towards the east Anglian counties and I hope best aesthetic solution is found.

You're going round and round in a circle. I have never mentioned anything about what type of pylons; in fact, I don't care what type they use or care about what route they take. All I was ever pointing out to you was that the subsea cable system was coming ashore in Norfolk; the rest of the route was always overground on some sort of pylon.

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Beauty spots a bea

You just talking about Essex ?

If they use T pylons and keep then off them off the skyline. South Essex is hardly a general beauty spot though I gave seen some nice parts in the northern part of Essex ie up towards the east Anglian counties and I hope best aesthetic solution is found.

It the whole route from Tilbury to Norwich... There are lots of beauty spots and National Landscapes etc. Many better than in the west of the country...

Edited 15 February15 Feb by skomaz

Some lovely scenery running down from the far north of Scotland or even just Beauly to Denny. From Kintore to Tealing & across the Scottish Borders. That is not bothering those that want their electricity transmitted overland to them hundreds of miles south. & want it cheaper than those that will be seeing these power lines.

Edited 15 February15 Feb by Evolution13

18 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Some lovely scenery running down from the far north of Scotland or even just Beauly to Denny. From Kintore to Tealing & across the Scottish Borders. That is not bothering those that want their electricity transmitted overland to them hundreds of miles south. & want it cheaper than those that will be seeing these power lines.

Oh come on, we have hundreds of miles of overhead pylons crisscrossing England and Wales so you're no different to the rest of us. Its the price we all have to pay for modern convenience.

Edited 15 February15 Feb by Graham Butcher

Lets return to more on-topic things, shall we?

I think this is a well-balanced view of the current position on the push towards electric cars.

@Graham Butcher I am not bothered by pylons and getting electricity where needed. Just pointing out that it seems OK for the Governments to approve running pylons for hundreds of miles to export that electricity and yet there are those bumping there gums about being end users and getting that electricity delivered over ground. Even being told they will be compensated if near enough to Super Pylons.

46 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher I am not bothered by pylons and getting electricity where needed. Just pointing out that it seems OK for the Governments to approve running pylons for hundreds of miles to export that electricity and yet there are those bumping there gums about being end users and getting that electricity delivered over ground. Even being told they will be compensated if near enough to Super Pylons.

Oh, sorry, but the way you phrased it sounded like you didn't like the pylons carrying power south into England. Made it look like you were saying that the English didn't care about the pylons spoiling the countryside in Scotland, as long as the English got cheap power. And of course it won't just be the Scots who will see the pylons is it, The English will also have to put up with them, they want the power.

It's a bit like my other half; she wants the gear, landline, internet, TV etc but no wires and no ripping the walls out to bury them – in other words no mess🙄

Edited 16 February16 Feb by Graham Butcher

I was listening this morning to someone that was in Oil & Gas gas and doing early exploration in countries where they were the first going in to exploit these countries resources and facing opposition about spoiling wild country. They were reminded of when there was the same thing with mining. Their mantra bacame 'Stop mining and let the barstrewards freeze in the dark'. Same thing really with electricity then. If the community demands underground cabling then charge them the tariff 4 times that of overhead cabling. The real pith take is all the years there was a ban on onshore wind farm development in England until July 2024. Spoiling views....

Some people actually like the sight of the turbines with their blades slowly turning SWMBO does for one🤔

Edited 16 February16 Feb by Graham Butcher

Exactly... The big issues being raised over pylons is generally impacts to views and why not go underground or in the sea. Both are generally considerably more expensive, with underground causing similar impacts during construction but over the long term being less visually intrusive once the construction swathe has been restored.

Personally I don't find pylons that bad visually and don't think the T pylons are much better... but then I don't live in a very rural location with open views like most of the objectors do...

Some of the objections are very 'overplayed' though and some seem to be tin foil hat bat**** crazy too!

@Graham Butcher I am a regular visitor to Wind Farms. There are ones that are open for tourism & recreation. Ones with Vistor Centres and free slow charging. I see solar panels at the side or on the roof of farm buildings regularly. No issues there as far a visual impact to a farm yard area. The objections to solar and battery farms in Scotland is just ridiculous as far as the reason many give for objecting. I do read the Applications and objections many give. I would be letting them freeze in the dark.

Edited 16 February16 Feb by Evolution13

On 16/02/2026 at 11:33, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher I am a regular visitor to Wind Farms. There are ones that are open for tourism & recreation. Ones with Vistor Centres and free slow charging. I see solar panels at the side or on the roof of farm buildings regularly. No issues there as far a visual impact to a farm yard area. The objections to solar and battery farms in Scotland is just ridiculous as far as the reason many give for objecting. I do read the Applications and objections many give. I would be letting them freeze in the dark.

Fascinating to go to any power generation site whatever energy it deals with. Was surprised to see, and I had already been working in power for years as a Engineering Officer with Merchant navy, four Olympus jet engines at Hinkley Point B ! Also weird hearing jet engines when some Royal Navy ships were manoeuvring alongside at Devonport dockyard. Tech is not always what you expect I have found. Of course the gas turbines, as with the actual AGR system at B had massive energy waste. Fish who need warmer waters live in the cooling water outflow ! Plans are for a "fish disco" noise deterrent to stop fish being sucked in to the cooling water intake ! Such interesting visits and look forward to seeing Hinkley C when visitors are allowed.

EDF, Électricité de France, who run Hinkley, Sizewell etc, provide hundreds of EV charging connectors at their sites for their employees, nice if they did for visitors, FOC of course within a visit experience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_B_nuclear_power_station#:~:text=The%20station%20is%20of%20the,standby%20generators%20for%20the%20station.

Hinkley Point B is also equipped with four 17.5 MW Rolls-Royce Olympus industrial gas turbines. Installed in 1970/71, and originally used for 'peak lopping', these are now used exclusively as emergency standby generators for the station.^[13]

Edited 18 February18 Feb by lol-lol

Back in Oct 2025, @wyx087 claimed that smart meters used wireless technology to send the readings back to the service provider for billing purposes. I said that the data is also carried on power lines to the radio equipement, which he disputed, saying that data could not coexist with corrupting the data, how does he explain this then I wonder??

Edited 19 February19 Feb by Graham Butcher

Honestly, there's a world of knowledge out there if you know where to start looking.
So I did.... And by the way; there's still no power lines involed there.

https://www.connexin.co.uk/build-enquiries

'What no flags?'

4 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Back in Oct 2025, @wyx087 claimed that smart meters used wireless technology to send the readings back to the service provider for billing purposes. I said that the data is also carried on power lines to the radio equipement, which he disputed, saying that data could not coexist with corrupting the data, how does he explain this then I wonder??

4 hours ago, Lee01 said:

Honestly, there's a world of knowledge out there if you know where to start looking.
So I did.... And by the way; there's still no power lines involed there.

https://www.connexin.co.uk/build-enquiries

Well it does say on the website Smart Utilities and mentions water and also electric meters but does not go into any real details. So it could be for electric meters, as I read that EON were using the local power lines (240/415v lines, not the grid HV lines) to carry data from meters, digitally encoded to collector boxes where that data is filtered off the power lines and sent to local wireless transmitters. Each one of these transmitters could handle the traffic from so many meters in a given area. So I say, never say never, the technology does actually exist. Whether these poles are used for electric meter data gatherings or not, who actually knows for certain?

Edited 19 February19 Feb by Graham Butcher

You'll of course share what you read won't you @Graham Butcher

1 hour ago, Lee01 said:

You'll of course share what you read won't you @Graham Butcher

Lee, you could start here?

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/499506-the-truth-about-electric-cars/page/427/#findComment-5975387