3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

What has happened at Amazon with their big electrification plan for the last-mile delivery vans? There was a time when I was actually seeing this taking place, but now it seems that they are using diesel-powered vans in that role. I keep on getting more deliveries by Amazon and all in diesel vans, and I also have seen many other diesel-powered Amazon vans around Essex.

Have not seen any recent updates date with Anazon but mulyblad works for one of the other big parcel operators.

They are developing optimal tactics and they face similar issues with thd more remote areas and electric vehicles. In urban areas the EVs are clear winners increasingly on cost with diesel prices going thru the roof. The tri county area here, Gloucestershire, Herefordshire and Worcestershire have some remote places to deliver too.

Not so bad in summer but the challenge comes more so in winter time. With ranges on the EVs lower the ICE vehicles have advantage with all the waste heat they produce where EVs ecen with heat pumps have significant range reduction and running costs narrow but eith vastly elevated diesel cost the numbers need to be re run.

My lads company will open up intermediate depots during the winter months. The reason I suspect are several and the busier times with Nov, Dec, Jan sales as well as travelling issues are all factors.

But as above each year the EV vans are getting 10 to 20% better range but also cheaper whereas ICE vehicles seem to have pretty much flattened in their performance though i am trying to read up on the next generation of hybrids but the jury seems to be out on just how good they are compared to full BEVs.

Ever seen a Tesla Roadster? Well, there is one here that is in quite a bad way, but it seems is in safe hands if he can get the parts. Tesla has none, apparently. This should be a good one to follow progress on.

51 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Is that what a reliable source is saying about the ferries range?

Like most electric vehicles its performance could be much less in the winter than summer unless they have a batteries condition routine in the winter time to get the batterues in tge optimum temperature like we do with our EV cars that have battery preconditioning.

Oil driven ships gave RAS, replacement at sea, military vessel ms oftvhave woeful ranges compared to merchant vessels.

Good thing about Electric vehicles in the battery tech, energy density ans lower costs are heading up for density and down for costs by about 10 to 20% per year so any shortage in performance in the battery pack could be addressed quite quickly. It is not like marjne diesel engines which are generally in for the life of the vessel and scrapped with the vessel.

Yes, it did come from a pretty good and reliable source. When I have a bit more time on my hands, I'll see if I can find it again.

Regarding range, with a diesel-powered ship, there are ways to refuel them while at sea. The navy do it all the time at certain locations where their ships cannot afford to be off station for any time in order to protect other shipping in some of the world's hot spots. Not just refuel, but restock the ships' larders with food and drink and other essential items. Somehow, I really doubt that it would be possible to effectively recharge an electric ship in the same manner as they would to be connected for such a long period while generators supply energy that it would be far too dangerous to do.

54 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Have not seen any recent updates date with Anazon but mulyblad works for one of the other big parcel operators.

They are developing optimal tactics and they face similar issues with thd more remote areas and electric vehicles. In urban areas the EVs are clear winners increasingly on cost with diesel prices going thru the roof. The tri county area here, Gloucestershire, Herefordshire and Worcestershire have some remote places to deliver too.

Not so bad in summer but the challenge comes more so in winter time. With ranges on the EVs lower the ICE vehicles have advantage with all the waste heat they produce where EVs ecen with heat pumps have significant range reduction and running costs narrow but eith vastly elevated diesel cost the numbers need to be re run.

My lads company will open up intermediate depots during the winter months. The reason I suspect are several and the busier times with Nov, Dec, Jan sales as well as travelling issues are all factors.

But as above each year the EV vans are getting 10 to 20% better range but also cheaper whereas ICE vehicles seem to have pretty much flattened in their performance though i am trying to read up on the next generation of hybrids but the jury seems to be out on just how good they are compared to full BEVs.

Well, I'm only 30 miles away from their distribution depot and one of their warehouses in Tilbury, and increasingly my stuff arrives via diesel-powered Mercedes vans.

28 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yes, it did come from a pretty good and reliable source. When I have a bit more time on my hands, I'll see if I can find it again.

Regarding range, with a diesel-powered ship, there are ways to refuel them while at sea. The navy do it all the time at certain locations where their ships cannot afford to be off station for any time in order to protect other shipping in some of the world's hot spots. Not just refuel, but restock the ships' larders with food and drink and other essential items. Somehow, I really doubt that it would be possible to effectively recharge an electric ship in the same manner as they would to be connected for such a long period while generators supply energy that it would be far too dangerous to do.

Been on quite a few RFA boats and they were trained with us doing tge standard merchant navy engineering and navigation 4 year training.

Fuel transfer seemed to be mainly kerosene ie Av Gas for the gas turbines Royal Navy ships and they can go thru their safe level of fuel in a few days where the diesel vessels can usually go several weeks on their onboard fuel such is their efficiency of fuel use.