3 hours ago, toot said:

Dundee is OK, just not where they want it, put it at the Docks where they want the Dundee Eden Project built.

You mean "put the battery factory on land owned by someone else"?

4 hours ago, Paws4Thot said:

You mean "put the battery factory on land owned by someone else"?

 

Governments use Compulsory Purchase Orders all the time, particularly for road building but can pretty much buy any land they deem for the greater good....

 

  

@Paws4Thot   Head for thinking, feet for dancing.

So where the proposed Battery Factory is they might use Electric HGV,s to take the materials to the factory & the end product from there maybe to the port or a rail head, but surely not by road with Diesel or could it be hydrogen ones.  Pigs might fly!

Just because they are desperate to use a site near Arbroath Road, Claypotts / Broughty Ferry, Douglas & Whitfield because it is available does not mean it is the right location.

 

That land at Dundee Docks might be Forth Ports land or other land owners of the other industrial sites dock side.

Where the gas works and meters that, that was Briggs,

or next to the land rented for the next several years the Inch Cape Windfarm Turbines are being transported to and fabrication down for going out to sea. 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62713869

 

 

The Eden Project Dundee (Vanity project) is proposed to go a miles along from the V&A Dundee. They want the land from who ever owns it.

So that is someones land now. Industrial land for a few hundred years with a railway line & main road making the boundary.

The road & railway is not moving or the rest of the ground between the site and the Tay needing repurposed. 

 Forth Ports Leith is where Renewables are going, This is Forth Ports that have Dundee Waterfront.

http://edenproject.com/new-edens/eden-project-dundee-uk

 

 

 

 

 

Port of Dundee.

 

 

 

 

Port of Leith. (Edinburgh.)

 

 

Edited 17 June, 20232 yr by toot

On 16/06/2023 at 08:59, wyx087 said:

No, let's not muddle the waters with other controversial topics. Anything to actually support your statements regarding climate change? 

Well I'd love to, but firstly, this is not a thread on climate change, it's a thread on a tipping point for EVs. I don't think we've reached it. I broached climate change as not everyone regards climate change as a driver for EV adoption, whereas others see it as a strong driver of EV adoption.

 

Secondly, while I'm willing to discuss climate change with you, I'm also very conscious that there is a very narrow Overton window of discussion on Briskoda, and I do not wish to be accused of being "conspiracy theorist", especially as I have four permanent warning points applied to my account because I ventured outside of the Briskoda Overton window.

That would be a discussion for another platform, and certainly not for this thread.

On 16/06/2023 at 11:21, J.R. said:

 

Are you registered blind with a self driving car or do you never venture out of middle class areas?

 

Just look at any council estate and you will see the few homes that could have their front gardens converted to parking were done so decades ago, that is the few homes fronting onto a road with a deep enough front garden and nothing more than a narrow band of grass between the footpath and the road who can get permission for a dropped kerb.

 

That knocks out all the terraced houses, all the houses facing pedestrian walkways, any house near a junction or on a curve or bend, all the flats, all the tower blocks, yet many of these are already counted as having off road parking because there will be communal parking areas with often allocated spaces but no way to connect a charging point to the drivers house as it may be 500m away with many other dwellings along the way.

 

The stats may say that the majority of homes have off street parking which anyone using their eyes would realise just can't be true but it doesn't follow they can erect a charge point and cable it back to their dwelling.

Take a virtual stroll around this area. Perhaps some of the wealthy people on Brisky haven't got the life experience that has exposed them to people who live in areas like this, but they do exist and they are not a tiny minority.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.0810697,-0.8041879,3a,75y,359.21h,81.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s773_1R8-kpyg65RyzehbMw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

13 hours ago, EnterName said:

Take a virtual stroll around this area. Perhaps some of the wealthy people on Brisky haven't got the life experience that has exposed them to people who live in areas like this, but they do exist and they are not a tiny minority.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.0810697,-0.8041879,3a,75y,359.21h,81.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s773_1R8-kpyg65RyzehbMw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

 

 

Much of the UK housing stock is of an age where the motorcar was not a commonly owned item and in these high density areas, unlike the countryside areas or post 1950s housing design it is the car that has not been considered not specifically EVs.

 

Some of us you may regard as wealthy are actually from poor backgrounds and remember being poor.

Edited 18 June, 20232 yr by lol-lol

http://news.sky.com/story/publicly-owned-clean-energy-company-will-create-thousands-of-jobs-in-scotland-sir-kier-starmer-to-say-12905137

 

Sir Kier Starmer MP is saying they will block 'New licences' for Oil & Gas Exploration.

Says they will be all for Green, and Head Quarter some office / business even a quango in Scotland.  'A PUBLICLY OWNED CLEAN ENERGY COMPANY.'

There are pictures of big windfarms.

 

So the leader of the Labour Party that is not helping the Scottish Labour party win seats in the next GE was on GMTV.

 

Richard Madeley questioned the Leader of the opposition on proposals and got him to say that Licences approved / granted under the Government will not be withdrawn.

 

The Madeley goes on about Wind Farm on shore and them being blocked for years now.

So that total muppet must mean in ENGLAND because he clearly can not be aware of how many wind turbines on land are erected every week and have been getting done for many a year now.

 

#Get them up onland in England and if there are those worried or objecting because their view will be spoiled disconnect them from the National Grid.

 

Sir Keir Starmer MP just as useless.   

He speaks of being in Government for the UK and what he / they will do,

then about and energy company in Scotland which clearly is about being an Energy Company for energy the UK requires.

 

On SKY right now and he says there has been a ban on wind farms for 8 or 9 years.

So he just not clearly say a BAN IN ENGLAND. 

 

8 months ago.

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 June, 20232 yr by toot

6 minutes ago, toot said:

Sir Keir Starmer MP just as useless.   

He speaks of being in Government for the UK and what he / they will do,

then about and energy company in Scotland which clearly is about being an Energy Company for energy the UK requires.

 

On SKY right now and he says there has been a ban on wind farms for 8 or 9 years.

So he just not clearly say a BAN IN ENGLAND. 

 

Case of foot in mouth and sad an intelligent man as Sir K ws not informed properly by his aids but I find this endemic of many who speak on the subject, or their researchers,  that have not done their homework.  Scotland could be an absolute key for Labour gaining a majority in Westminster with up to about 30 seat being estimated that Labour could get in Scotland but not if my party makes such fundamental errors.  Wind generation, and possibly tidal, particularly in the Scottish Islands, is looking likely to become a major industry for those areas.

 

I will try and have a word with my prospective MP Tom Collins who is a zero energy expert and Westminster energy debate informer for Labour. Be interesting to hear what he says. 

 

"I’ve dedicated my business career to building the green economy by decarbonising heat. I head Bosch’s innovation team developing hydrogen-ready boilers, and I am an industry leader in hydrogen and zero-carbon heat. I speak publicly at various conferences informing the Westminster energy debate."

https://vote.labour.org.uk/tom-collins

 

On 16/06/2023 at 19:07, lol-lol said:

 

If it does I will add to my half a kilowatt of panels that I have, double, triple quadruple plus get some more batteries so less grid electricity will be sold. I can see a point arriving when some users give up on grid power and just make their own via solar, small wind turbines and maybe gas powered generators. 

 

So long as you're alright, Jack...

 

48 minutes ago, Ttaskmaster said:

So long as you're alright, Jack...

 

I come from an engineering background, marine engineering being by apprenticeship,  British Merchant Navy, so I Iike most things engineering wise, including electrical but it is not my stronger suit I admit.  If I demonstrate and expound the easy and even fun of making one's own electricity I hope others take it up.

 

I have been buying the Eco-worthy solar panels off Amazon, using at less than £1 per watt of max generation, they have their own voltage output which is usually about 20v open voltage but about 15v when loaded and so easy to plug in to a little solar generator ( available from about £50) and then just stick the panel outside, hang it out the window one can, and see the free electricity pour in. Simples.

 

If I generate some of my lecky for free then the suppliers have too much and the price drops.  If more people do this then lecky become even cheaper as has happened with natural gas now, lots of supply, relatively little use price goes down low.  Difficult bit it obtaining renewable energy at home in mid winter when there is little sun.  Hopefully as solar panels rise from 20% efficiency to 50% and beyond it will become easier to get better solar in the winter, at least down in Southern England where there is still several hours daylight even in the winter.

 

Was thinking of maybe doing solar installs in my retirement.  Nothing like being independent from grid supplies where they have us by the short and curlies.  Octopus have been a major disruptor, as have EVs to the travelling on negligible or free energy instead of expensive and death inducing hydrocarbon fuels. A life choice the evolved embrace.

 

On 16/06/2023 at 18:38, Ttaskmaster said:

 

The absolute cheapest rate available to us was 46p daytime and 18p night, plus 45p standing charge.

Word is that's going to double at the next round of revisions.

 

Check what rates you can get via Octopus Go, only need to pop in your post code.  

https://octopus.energy/go/rates/

 

Word is, it's going to decrease in the next 2 round sof price-cap adjustment: 

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/-are-there-any-cheap--fixed-energy-deals-currently-worth-it--/#winter

On 16/06/2023 at 16:51, lol-lol said:

Taken weeks to sort out, get my tax free allowance back up to the circa £20k, place has gone to pieces since I left

How do you manage to get an extra £8k of tax free allowance over the rest of us mere mortals?

33 minutes ago, Luckypants said:

How do you manage to get an extra £8k of tax free allowance over the rest of us mere mortals?

 

£7,000 for 20k of business miles which I get no recompense for ie 10k at 45p a mile and 10k at 25p a mile, £7,000 and the £310 of working from home allowance so actually £7,310 which on top of the standard £12,570 code gives me £19,880 tax free.

 

In previous years I try and get my total year's earning to hit just under the 40% bracket so that would be £57,380 so that means fine tuning to dump about £30k via salary sacrifice in to my pension pot but this year, due to the Cons crashing the UK economy I have bitten the bullet and accepted being a higher rate tax payer, especially as putting money in to pensions which buy a lot of UK Gilts is bad currently as UK Gilts have tanked so badly although the annuity one can get per £100k pension is the highest I have seen for decades, virtual 5% today for the first time...  https://www.marke****ch.com/investing/bond/tmbmkgb-02y?countrycode=bx

 

HMRC are bit of a shower at the moment and due to me getting a six monthly bonus in my pay they interpreted that I was in the 45% tax bracket and then, last month, coded me down to around 600/6k tax free allowance, muppets, just because of a one off bonus.  Thankfully a quick call down the "Tax Agents" dedicated hotline it was sorted and I got my sorted 1988L tax code back.  Therefore looking for a redress this month where my tax might even be negative.  The public service is dreadful and I have waited an hour or more to get thru sometimes.  

 

So not quite £8k, more like £7.31k due to those two factors.  Nice to get the mileage allowance tax code adjustment especially when using a private EV which still get the 45p/25p a mile but one is using fuel/energy at less than 2p a mile, happy days.    

 

Edited 19 June, 20232 yr by lol-lol

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

I come from an engineering background, marine engineering being by apprenticeship,  British Merchant Navy, so I Iike most things engineering wise, including electrical but it is not my stronger suit I admit.  If I demonstrate and expound the easy and even fun of making one's own electricity I hope others take it up.

 

It's more that this is similar to the same arguments put forward by the Eco-warrior engineers at work - "If you just pay out STACKS of cash on this funky thing, with blah-blah statistics and blah-blah figures, it will eventually be fully paid off in a couple of decades and you'll then be on free energy for about half the year... but concerningly in debt until then".

So basically, wonderful if you have the money, but frakked through the wallet and up the bum if you don't. Like selling superyachts to the homeless...

 

2 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Check what rates you can get via Octopus Go, only need to pop in your post code.  

https://octopus.energy/go/rates/

 

That basically just returns the same tarrif we're already on. There's a couple fractions of a penny difference.

 

5 minutes ago, Ttaskmaster said:

The absolute cheapest rate available to us was 46p daytime and 18p night, plus 45p standing charge.

 

That basically just returns the same tarrif we're already on. There's a couple fractions of a penny difference.

Are you sure you have actually looked? 

 

Check Octopus Go rates in your area

Postcode 

 RG1    5AN   <-- a post code for Reading, UK 

View rates

Unit rate (04:30 - 00:30):

41.11p/ kWh

Unit rate (00:30 - 04:30):

9.50p/ kWh

Standing Charge:

47.95p/ day

Prices include VAT.

 

Night time unit rate almost half of what you pay. Day time rates are also over 10% lower. Standing charge is only 6% higher. 

Crazy expensive for 20 hours & daily tariff to get 4 hours cheaper.

Edited 19 June, 20232 yr by toot

Viability of this tariff depends on how much you can put into the cheap period.

 

I'm on fixed 7.5p and 35p until tomorrow, then I'll switch to Intelligent Octopus to keep 7.5p for 6 hours off-peak.

 

 

https://octopus.energy/intelligent-octopus/rates/

 

 

 

 

Either way, not the same tariff as "46p daytime and 18p night, plus 45p standing charge.", not "a couple fractions of a penny difference"

Total pith take really for those getting electricity imported in from way out of their locations and with a risk of black, brown or grey outs and then schemes where those that might use lots of electricity getting paid many times more than kWh tariffs to use less at certain times.

Not meaning night time, the times where 'England' or parts needed to have less demand.

27 minutes ago, toot said:

Crazy expensive for 20 hours & daily tariff to get 4 hours cheaper.

 

Works for me as I easily get two thirds of my power in the cheap period and therefore only a third in the more expensive period which is only a few pence more than the standard rate whereas the cheap rate about a quarter of full rate. Reckon it saves me about a third on what I would pay if I was on a single tariff.  It is the EV charging that is most of the night charging ie about 14 kW when I do charge but then maybe 2 kW in to the solar generators and then a further 2 kws got from solar panels during the day.

 

Main issue is getting Octopus to reduce my DD which I will have another go when I pay then next week and will try and get my DD back down to £100 from £200 and pay off any excess when winter comes on my credit card and get kick back ie Am Ex.

 

@lol-lolObviously it works for you.

But then you are among the higher earners that can put aside money with the help of governments from money from plebs that are just about getting by, or not even getting by and still be as tight with money as though you were born of Scottish Parents.

 

Rishi keeps telling us how they paid half of peoples energy bills last year and they will help this year.

 

They paid all of some people's who had to go cold, and maybe a fraction of some peoples that use lots and can afford to, because they splashed the cash to bill payers and energy companies whether or not they needed help or even resided in the UK last year or last winter.

Edited 19 June, 20232 yr by toot

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

£7,000 for 20k of business miles which I get no recompense for ie 10k at 45p a mile and 10k at 25p a mile, £7,000 and the £310 of working from home allowance so actually £7,310 which on top of the standard £12,570 code gives me £19,880 tax free.

 

In previous years I try and get my total year's earning to hit just under the 40% bracket so that would be £57,380 so that means fine tuning to dump about £30k via salary sacrifice in to my pension pot but this year, due to the Cons crashing the UK economy I have bitten the bullet and accepted being a higher rate tax payer, especially as putting money in to pensions which buy a lot of UK Gilts is bad currently as UK Gilts have tanked so badly although the annuity one can get per £100k pension is the highest I have seen for decades, virtual 5% today for the first time...  https://www.marke****ch.com/investing/bond/tmbmkgb-02y?countrycode=bx

 

HMRC are bit of a shower at the moment and due to me getting a six monthly bonus in my pay they interpreted that I was in the 45% tax bracket and then, last month, coded me down to around 600/6k tax free allowance, muppets, just because of a one off bonus.  Thankfully a quick call down the "Tax Agents" dedicated hotline it was sorted and I got my sorted 1988L tax code back.  Therefore looking for a redress this month where my tax might even be negative.  The public service is dreadful and I have waited an hour or more to get thru sometimes.  

 

So not quite £8k, more like £7.31k due to those two factors.  Nice to get the mileage allowance tax code adjustment especially when using a private EV which still get the 45p/25p a mile but one is using fuel/energy at less than 2p a mile, happy days.    

 

Thanks for the details, you must drive a crazy amount for work. However, you mean getting your TAXABLE income below the 40% threshold, your actual earnings are way in excess if you can 'dump' £30K into a pension. No problem with you doing that, crack on with keeping your money out of the taxman's hands!

49 minutes ago, Ttaskmaster said:

 

It's more that this is similar to the same arguments put forward by the Eco-warrior engineers at work - "If you just pay out STACKS of cash on this funky thing, with blah-blah statistics and blah-blah figures, it will eventually be fully paid off in a couple of decades and you'll then be on free energy for about half the year... but concerningly in debt until then".

So basically, wonderful if you have the money, but frakked through the wallet and up the bum if you don't. Like selling superyachts to the homeless...

That basically just returns the same tarrif we're already on. There's a couple fractions of a penny difference.

 

 

There is an immense range of electricity generating equipment, £50 for couple of small solar panels, solar unit with battery, three LED light bulbs.

 

Extreme on the small side but from this upwards worth a look. 

 

I would say do not spend thousands on solar on one's roof that misses 30% of solar energy as it is fixed and not tracking. Move the panel, get more solar. One can spend from £50 to a few hundred to get quite a bit of solar that one can use during the night.  

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Portable-Station-Generator-Outdoor-Emergency-dp-B0BC6YH4BP/dp/B0BC6YH4BP/ref=dp_ob_title_hi?th=1

 

22 minutes ago, toot said:

@lol-lolObviously it works for you.

But then you are among the higher earners that can put aside money with the help of governments and still be as tight with money as though you were born of Scottish Parents.

 

Thanks for the compliment, close and definately Celtish origins but a mixture of Cornish and Irish and when you have had family being allowed to starve to death as my family did in Ireland in the mid to late 1800s as the English allowed to happen to the Irish then.

 

No wonder Joe Biden has little time for the English but all the time for the Irish, hence no UK-USA Trade deal, unless the UK perhaps rejoins the EU and maybe there is a chance.  

 

On Saturday's 'Off the Ball' on Radio Scotland there was talk about Taxi Drivers.

Stuart Cosgrove does not drive and uses taxi,s lots and Tam Cowan who does drive uses lots of taxis and has the patter.

 

He was mentioning that is best to not annoy taxi drivers but when he hears them wax lyrical on the EV car / Taxi and how much less it costs to run he would like to ask why they are not cheaper for the fare payer than if they were getting transported in a dirty diesel.