Hi all

My car is a VRS 2.0ltr TSI new in December 2011. My question is, does anyone know when the latest timing chain tensioner was fitted on the CCZA engine?  I have looked through the forum and can't find the date. All you see are horror stories of failure. It will not of course be worth fitting the latest tensioner if I already have it fitted. I am not really very worried, as failure of the tensioner must be a small percentage of these engines. Used to get horror stories about a previous car I had with the same problem. It was a 2004 Honda Accord CTDI. Did 106miles in it before I sold it and there was never an issue anyway. Hopefully a Skoda tech reads this and has the correct information. 

Edited 15 May, 201610 yr by roaddetective

I believe it was for the introduction of MY13 around May/June 2012.

Thanks Metblackrat.  

 Posted by DGW on 11 April 2014 - 17:49 in Skoda Octavia II (2004 - 2013)

i posted this information in another thread about changing the tensioner but it might be useful to have it here.

 

These are the various timing chain tensioner part numbers and revision dates for the CDAA, CCZA and CDAB engines.

 

06H 109 467N >> 26.04.2010

06H 109 467T 27.04.2010 >> 29.08.2011

06H 109 467AB 30.08.2011 >> 04.03.2012

06K 109 467K 05.03.2012 >>

 

All of the tensioners other than the 467K version have been dropped and must not be used as spare (replacement) parts. That revision cost £38.40 inclusive of VAT when I last checked with TPS on 27.2.14.

 

The camshaft timing chain was also revised earlier this year. The original part number is 06H 109 158M and the revised part number is 06H 109 158AA. The price of the latter was £59.05 when checked on 27.2.14.

 

Affected engines:

 

CDAA = 118KW 160HP 1.8TSI

CDAB = 112KW 150HP 1.8TSI

CCZA = 147KW 200HP 2.0TSI

When i had the tensioner / chain, rail and 2x guides changed about a month ago by an an independent,  the chain appears to have moved to 06K 109 158 AD. The tensioner was still at K revision.  The costs are about the same with a bit of inflation - (2 years from posts above)?. The prices I have were from the garage not TPS direct so that may also explain them being marginally higher.  

Edited 17 May, 201610 yr by TheClient

When i had the tensioner / chain, rail and 2x guides changed about a month ago by an an independent,  the chain appears to have moved to 06K 109 158 AD. The tensioner was still at K revision.  The costs are about the same with a bit of inflation - (2 years from posts above)?. The prices I have were from the garage not TPS direct so that may also explain them being marginally higher.  

I see that you are relatively close to me. Could you be good enough to state where you had this work done, and what they charged please? I'm toying with having this done...

I see that you are relatively close to me. Could you be good enough to state where you had this work done, and what they charged please? I'm toying with having this done...

Sure. I have had work done by Audi VW Specialist Ltd in Leatherhead before and found them to be good and reasonably priced. They quoted me about £550 for the job including the chain, tensioner, 3guides/ rails and sealant, oil change.

 

In the end I actually went to Lion Garage in Hinckley only because I had to go near there to pick up the car and I did it the next day after buying. (Hinckley is miles and miles from here in surrey / hampshire so not feasible for you)  It cost me £640 for the same things PLUS a new lower timing cover, which accounted for pretty much the entire price difference.

 

If Leatherhead suits you, suggest you give them a call, and explain what you want done.  A lady normally answers the phone and she is good at discussing the job with mechanics and coming back to you with a quote and parts required. They definitely also suggested timing chain and tensioner if you're going to the trouble of going in there... as did the garage who did the job.

 

Ps also tried contacting a couple of Skoda dealers for a comparative price but was unable to get much sense from them or a quote for that matter.

Edited 17 May, 201610 yr by TheClient

Thanks guys, very informative. Do I change it just in case, or not. That is the question?

I am umming and ahhing as well. I don't know whether to bite the bullet or not. Mine is more than 5 years old, 58K miles, without warranty but has always been serviced with Skoda. Will they fork out costs if it goes wrong, probably not.

 

£500 vs £5000? How much is your car worth to you?

Well I have just been down to my local independent garage who I trust and Ben the manager is going to work out a quote. The mileage on mine is 48k, but you do read posts from owners that have had the tensioner problem at lower mileage than this. Intend to keep the VRS for a few years, so it might be a good investment to get it done. Might get them to poly bush the front wishbones at the same time. Bit of wear creeping into the standard rubber bushes. Cars eh, nothing but bills. Must admit though, the VRS is worth a little loving care!

I just decided I couldn't live with a used VRS TSI car without doing it, given it is quite a known issue and can be very very bad news.   My VRS had 33k on it when I bought it and had it done about a month ago.  Obviously adding a commensurate amount to its purchase price.

 

My thought process was that over the next 3 or 4 years its not that much to amortise and much more palatable than a £5k new engine. 

 

I got caught with a stretched chain on a vw golf 1.4tsi and it only had 42k miles and it was a warning shot to me, it was very expensive to sort out but would of been totally horrific if it had of made valve / piston contact.  It had been serviced 10k / 12 months religiously and was only 5 years old, 5 services 4 of which were VW and VW did not want to contribute a penny despite pre-action court letters (I wasn't the original purchaser by the way).  As you'll see in the threads, you do see failures on the CCZA starting from the 30k miles.....

In talks with the manager at my local independent garage. His parts supply source thinks there is an even later tensioner now than the part number shown in Greybeards post. As soon as I know, I will post the part number. I have decided to go ahead with the fitting of the new tensioner and chains, just in case.