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Partnership deal under joint shares I think so maybe only less Countervailing duty, all depends on what appears in their company accounts as a export credit. Have not heard how the export credit system works ie percentage of export value or puer unit or what. Use to be to gain foreign currency but not needed so much anymore as most Chinese exports are paid for in USD though this is change and USD pay lose its Reserve currency sometime soon. It has just lost the oil link with Saudi etc so the 21st ie Asian century is unfolding.

It looks like the highest rate is for state owned SAIC ie MG, MAXUS etc and there are several companies who have not opened their books to the EU Auditors yet. BYD look the least effected. The rapidly dropping price of lithium batteries will mean much lower import prices and the Chinese car and van companies will probably do a mass release of the tens of thousands of cars in the customs warehouse compounds in the EU. Not heard what the UK is doing but in many regards the UK still matches or closely follows the EU's customs tariff. Car Most Favoured Nation tariff is 10% in both, Anti Dumping, Countervailing and Retaliatory duties do vary but I think UK will do something. UK GE may delay UK response. Could be a nice new source of revenue for EU and eventually UK.

Where is the logic of European car makers making electric cars that hardly ever need servicing, looking like they will last for decades rather than there present vehicles that might just last a decade or decade and a half before they become a potential liability ie the turbo goes and that £5k car becomes worthless. Chinese will keep making EVs and with new EV batteries getting substantial better each year, self driving software, as TELSA is producing. Electric Viking brings this to a short video.... EVs picked up at the docks, as RSEV and definatelynotaguru has, maybe jsut visit in the garage every 2 years for pollen filter change and checkover but probably no other parts needed....

Did not hear a power figure ? Is it 220 hp like the Megane e ? I am still thinking of the 170 hp Scenic, torque is not much less than the 220 hp Megane or Scenic motor but has a bit better efficiency with the lower power.

To write, even when suffixing with a string of odd characters, is a totally inaccurate slur, . The EU CV duty exercise, currently given several weeks warning of its Provisional Implementation is a entirely logical and auditable process that calculates CVV duty based on the amount of subsidies the particular Chinese brand is receiving from the Chinese state. No EU bank handers. spreading malicious untruths has in good part got the UK in the economic pickle it is currently in. I expect the UK to entirely follow the EU lead and this will mean cars like the Mini, and sadly the Dacia Spring, might cost a lot more. BMW and Mercedes and even Renault may regret the decision to have cars for the EU market made in China. Let us hope they follow Nissan and decide to assemble in the UK/EU and hit a 50 or 60% local content rule to gain origin states. " The actual tariffs being imposed appear to depend on how much of a "backhander" the manufacturer has bunged the EU ;o) "

Annoying for those of use leaning to a model 3 who were hoping Berlin would start making RHD 3s as had reportedly begun with with the Y and therefore we hoped to see price falls in the 3's RRP.

The EU is forewarning of Countervailing duty on Chinese cars as part of its duty to protect EU car workers jobs. It is an audit procedure which if Chinese manufacturers are unwilling to open their books for the EU Auditors to ascertain if there is anti competitive behaviour going on. There will most likely be a phase where the Provisional CV Duty will apply and it will become Definitive, usually after 6 months if memory serves and could apply for several years. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_24_3232

Incorrect. It is based on the Chinese Export credit and state help.

Something else happening on the 4th of July. UK expected to follow EU in the law, just as it has with other customs rules since 1st Jan 2021. EU to put tariffs of up to 38% on Chinese electric vehicles as trade war looms https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/12/eu-import-tariffs-chinese-evs-electric-vehicles-trade-war Move, to be applied provisionally from July, would trigger duties of more than €2bn a year Explainer: How will new EU tariffs on Chinese EVs work? The EU has notified Beijing that it intends to impose tariffs of up to 38% on imports of Chinese electric vehicles, triggering duties of more than €2bn (£1.7bn) a year and a likely trade war with China. The tariffs will be applied provisionally from next month in line with World Trade Organization rules, which give China four weeks to challenge any evidence the EU provides to justify the levies on imported EVs. The charges come on top of the existing 10% levy on cars imported into the EU, meaning Chinese-made electric cars face total tariffs of up to 48%. China immediately hit back, promising to “resolutely take all necessary measures to firmly defend the legitimate rights and interests of Chinese companies”.

There was one opposite the hotel I stay at down at Heathrow Hatton Cross run by Shell I think but they are closing it I heard.

Wonder how a road sweeping lorry would deal with. Must be some vehicle which would treat the cable like a landing aircraft on an aircraft carrier with its arrestor hook 🪝 and the damage to the car etc never mind about a snapping cable which could cut or kill like we have on dockside when mooring ropes snap and twang.

Look on the EV Database and it should give the info you want as it does for most EVs.

An AC charger is so much less to install and is more efficient of course, especially as 3 phase. Please to see the new Scenic, European COTY, is still maintaining the 22 kW AC. Need to get all chargers to accept credit card, hopefully American Express and it will be heaven.

Strictly speaking this is about full hybrids rather than EVs and many, like my lad, went for a full hybrid rater than an EV, but price etc being a factor and stated manufacturers MPG a draw. Hybrids cost £500 more per year to fuel than manufacturers claim (gbnews.com) The research found that the UK's top 10 best-selling hybrid vehicles cost, on average, £500 more to fuel each year than the manufacturers claim. Major car brands claim that owners of hybrid vehicles will save their owners an average of £1,092 a year in fuel costs compared to equivalent petrol cars, with real average savings of just £593 a year. In comparison, plug-in hybrid vehicles are £672 a year higher than their electric counterparts - showing a dramatic difference in savings for motorists. Switching from a petrol vehicle to an equivalent electric vehicle will save drivers £1,264 on average, more than doubling their savings. My lad gets close to the 66 mpg claimed for the Clio etech in the warmer months but much less in the colder months when the engine has to act as a cabin space warmer, very inefficient. Clearly these cars need heat pumps as all EVs and hybrids should have. It continues.... he study calculated how much electricity the hybrids would be likely to consume from the grid driving the distance, allowing the ECIU to calculate a total, real-life fuel cost. The report - the real-life costs of fuelling a PHEV - claimed that an analysis of 600,000 cars found that plug-in hybrids burn 350 per cent more fuel on average than what their manufacturers claim. 350% !!! Your having a laugh ( or going by the CO2 figure and equating to fuel used, numpties ! Daughter No 2 Clio, Mk 4 rather than Mk 5 but very similar, also does 60 mpg plus on its 900 cc triple cylinder TCE but is not as nice to drive as the 1.6 etech. If you really try one can get 80 mpg with the etech but it is not fun but saves loads of money. looking forward to getting rid of my Arkana and Zoe and replacing with the COTY Scenic, but which battery, 60 or 87 kWh I need to decide.

WTO has interim and recommended target ie as low as 5 micrograms in 24 hours for PM 2.5s amd lost of places in the UK exceed that and whilst the UK is meeting the Interim targets it will only hit the end targets in 2040 if it adopts EVs, Heat Pumps for home heating and it knows that.

The data might be real time but the safe limit is twice as high the UK sets than the WTO I gather.

Only in its own ie UK standard which is much higher than the WHO standards If one has trouble meeting the air quality standards then just fiddle ie set your own poor standards and say you comply.

Thinking of chopping in one or maybe both of my existing cars ie 1.3 TCE EDC Arkana and Zoe for 125 kW, 60 kWh Scenic which was vote by the European press and European car of the year 2024. I passed on the invite to the test drive initially, before it got COTY award as Renault UK were only advertising the 160 kW with 87 kWh battery but that was a £41k car and I wanted to go for a car with an RRP of less than £40k. 125 kW, 60 kWh Scenic still has a WLTP at over 400 kms and acceleration of 8.6 to 100 kph which is OK for me, charge rate max of 130 Kw/hr which is fine and much better than my Zoe sub 50 kWh. One can get the red coloured one at no extra cost so an RRP of £37.5k and it should replace both the Arkanan and the Zoe I am hoping.

Electricity price to come down by 7% or so in 5 weeks making it cheaper to run an EV. Will go up 12% in October so worth thinking of cheaper charging from then. I need to look at 🐙 other tariffs than Go to get even cheaper charge rates. Not sure where it will go with night time and day time rates when tge single rate tariff changes, last time day time rate changed lots but night time rate did not but it us already dirt cheap of course. Running the EV energy wise is as cheap as having a petrol fuel card I find ie both around 2p a mile for energy costs.

As you may have seen in the press the US is applying a 102.5 % Ad Valorem customs duty on Chinese cars. The Chinese are protesting, not sure whether they will take to the World Trade Organisation but it sounds like they will put extra tariffs on those large (engined) European and US cars. The EU is reportedly shaping up to put Countervailing duty on Chinese cars as an action against Chinese export subsidies, rather than an Anti Dumping duty as it can be seen that Chinese customs seem to be able to by the same cars at about half the price they are sold in Europe, US so ADD would not work. Not only a West-East Trade War starting on cars put it looks like solar goods ie panels, controllers will be included in raised tariffs and the Chinese might response with throttling minerals, rare earth metals. Quite possibly an upcoming Trade War will damage trade and therefore jobs all over the world and possibly call a worldwide recession or depression and why ? Perhaps just because elections are occurring and candidates want to appear tough ?

Boris just left the minus sign out when he told the British public it would mean 150m a week or whatever it was. Thats what the extra bill for moving goods is, quarter of a billion customs entries at about £50 a time and still rising with the new CDS system and health check introduced a few weeks ago. Epic.

AS a Renault Zoe owner, I gather there has been about a third of a million Zoes made, about half a million LEAFs, EV range is something the driver has very much in their control. the latest iteration of the Zoe, the ZE 50, 52 kWh battery useable, 55 kWh actual Renault say, has a nominal range of 238 miles with the more powerful 100 kW motor, actually pulls around 111 kWs on the digital instrumentation ie around 150 hp. I get over 200 miles range in the Zoe depth of winter or height of summer. Zoe's have heat pumps so keeping toastie is not very energy consumption even in deep winter, plus I am big guy who does not need masses of heat to be comfortable. 18C is usually OK for me, bit of heated seat and I do not need much more. If one drives with ECO on initially one can get very close to 4 miles per kWh in the Zoe, even in sub zero though it is climbing hills that is a bit of a killer ie going from the Severn valley floor, up passed the Hawthorne football ground which is quite a big climb, sometimes only showing 3.5 miles per kWh but then when I do the Brum to Stoke bit which is on the level it improves a bit and then Stoke to Manchester even better as one drop s down again in height above sea level ie up to 4 Kwh so I can do the over 200 miles from Worcester to Manchester airport and back no bother without charging. Mostly tootling in eco but with occasional kickdown or removal of ECO to find so clear space etc. Do the same for Worcester to Heathrow too but I can usually get a charge at work at Heathrow. About 240 miles round trip. If cannot get a charge then simply do not use the motorway, pop thru the Cotswolds which is shorter and the route more at closer to optimum speeds is 50/60 on the country roads, 30 mph through the villages and towns and 5 miles per kWh can easily be seen. A Zoe ZE50 was taken by a bunch of RAF hypermilers and achieved 424 miles or normal tyres and 474 on special tyres I recall round Thuxton, oddly the fastest of UK racetracks, they were averaging about 20 mph I recall, very boring, but if one does chose country roads, go through urban areas rather than taking the bypasses, EVs are very efficient through towns, so crazy ranges from EVs have been achieved. Few manufacturers have really tried to build a high range EV. TESLA one of the few to build a car with a low drag coefficient ie 0.22 for the Highland Model 3 I think, and are about to mix the long range battery with the lower energy motor(s) output to deliberately make a 400 mile ranged car. Many TESLAs can charge at 250 kWs in the lower State of charge and can splash and dash 200 miles of range on a TESLA supercharger, enough time for a waz and getting a coffee and a McMuffin and be on your way. Not much of an inconvenience and these Superchargers are appearing on a fortnightly bases at motorway service in banks of 8, 12, 16 or so as well as Gridserve ones as well as dedicated Gridserve charge stations like at Norwich, Braintree, Gatwick and hopefully Plymouth soon. With Octopus EV tariffs so cheap to run an EV on energy, servicing is cheap, I find insurance cost OK too. Tyre wear a bit higher but then my Zoe only use 16 inch boots so £60 each and sorted.

Nope. TESLA it is always the same place but with other marques it can be on the nose ie LEAF and Zoe, ie original EVs, or front or rear quarters , port or starboard side. Not back centre on any as far as I have seen. Causing havoc now as TESLA V2 and V3 chargers many now open to non TESLA as non TESLA use the wrong bay to charge, fun and games.

Self driving cars, motorcycles and scooters all here or coming soon. Sorts out the scooters being in the wrong place, left untidily etc.........