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Not here, still just under £40k so what's that, about 43k Euros ? RHD models might expect to be about 6% more expensive due to lower volumes of sales and therefore higher tooling and production costs due to the lower production rung, according to a big 4 accountancy firm pronouncement sine time ago. We should be seeing base model 3s for less than £38k I reckon but when, only when sales start to dry up I suppose.

If the Tesla made in the EU, which I gather RHD ones are starting to be made in Berlin, then there could be no customs duties at all ie not even the 10% MFN rate I reference to about as under the Trade Cooperation Agreement the EU and UK have but it has to be 50% originating in the EU, but that includes not just parts and labout and even an element of profit usually, I have not looked in to the specific rules on EVs under the TCA. The transfer price between China and UK may be much lower than you think. I have been a customs officer for part of the biggest stores of cars in the UK ie Portbury docks Bristol and found the operation very enlightening. The company that has just bought who I have worked for for over a decade is the worlds largest mover of Finished vehicles, over 4M I hear, so I will be interested to see how much the tariff pulls in. I would expect much of what is at the UK and EU docks, in bond, to be removed as the tax comes in so there might be some deals in the weeks to come so chinese made cars are not sat customs cleared at the port for too long. I want to see the M3 SR drop well below £40k but I am still leaning towards the Renault Scenic as by next EV.

It is countervailing rather than ADD or Retaliarory duty different rules for each. This sit on top of the customs duty which is oddly referred to as the Most Favoured Nation or full rate. Provional period is normally 6 months when the party the CV duty is aimed at a chance to present further information. The CV may be set for 3 or even 6 years then. EU sounds to me like it is being quite fair and the CV duty matches the Chinese government export subsidy. All can be reviewed by the World Trade Organisation which 99% of countries are signatories, and the WTO can make a decesion.

As to the above and my households own selection of cars ie one pure EV, the Zoe, one full hybrid, the Clio e-tech, and one mild hybrid, the Arkana 1.333 with its coasting function. I think they are all great and the petrol engined ones get good range, despite the Clio nly having a 39 litre tank ie gets over 500 miles of range, the Arkana, biggish car and gets 600 miles range from its relatively small fossil fuel 50 litre tank, but EVs are getting good so quick I am hoping to get rid of the Arkana for an EV that is big but can do nearly 400 miles on a charge ie the Scenic long range. As to others I know that have recently got full hybrids many of those cars are for tax dodge reasons and not environmental. They are driven like they are formula one cars when the traction battery is there is complement the already very powerful petrol engine and I know some of my colleagues are incredibly managing to get less than 40 mpg. I am confident EVs are making substantial improvements YoY so hopefully there replacement car, in the next few years, will be a full EV, only then can we hope to get UK CO2, along with home and industry heat pumps of course, down to the target of halving it by the end of the decade.

Electric vehicle registration continue to power ahead in the UK..... https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/ PHEVs overtake diesels as they move off the bottom of the table and wiesels become the bottom of the stack. Wonder how long before they join hydrogen cars as too insignificant to enter the data in to the SMMT table ie give it to 2027 I reckon, ie way before 2030. Though I presume some of the PHEVs are diesel, Merc E300de, any others as I am struggling to think of any others ? Is the Merc still on sales ? Was last year ie 2023 I read somewhere. Bet its very heavy.

More importantly I suspect Geely will not be able to sell cars in the EU and probably UK when we inevitably align with the EU on the massive extra 38% Ad Valorem countervailing tariff. Chinese are quite good at sorting software issues as they did with VW cars and VAG investing billions in Chinese software company.

When my company owned Source London thousand plus chargers one could see how much a cheaper install an AC car charger was. Preferably 3 phase and 11, 16,22 or 43 kwh not a problem. DC chargers are many times the price plus they lose heaps of power going from AC to DC supply. That is TOTALs business now as we sold it to that oil giant. Fun in London dealing with over 40 Met authorities rather than in Paris where we dealt with one authority, even with London being a much bigger city it was very different. Renault still trot out many of their cars with 22 kW AC charging capability. Robert llewelyn did a video on how a Zoe is faster than a Tesla. Well on 3 phase charging it is. I am planning on building a three phase power supply from my future home battery setup. Especially if public charge prices do not fall soon.

Mine is actual a Riviera model which was a 300 in number limited run of the ZE50. In truth I think it was during the mad Covid times so they saw what they could put in the Zoe, saw what they could not which was in the GT line spec which was the top spec and then called in Riviera. Thankfully it has the Auto braking bits which I think is important. Blind Spot alert, lane departure, traffic sign recognition and in all 17 safety measure and the shell is basically the same as the first model ie 22 kwh version, which got 5 stars EuroNCAP. Ze50 got re-evaluated and got no stars because now, apparently, you have to have about 30 safety measures to score well. All Zoe have the annoying no seat height adjustment as this was before Renault (LG Chem) thinner battery cells so batter pack is fat ie something like 200 mm rather than on the new megane-e and Scenic where the pack is closer to 100 mm. Zoe ZE40 is a bit of a long range ,and now cheap, range demon. Rumoured to have basically the same 55 kWh gross battery pack with a quarter of cells held in reserve. Near 400 kms has been achieved in fairly normal driving conditions. Whilst Renault toyed with 43 kW AC charging on some Ze40 models the ZE40 never got DC charging, not even 50 kW as the Ze50 has got so it is not as useful for long journeys unless not in a rush as at and one enjoys French two hour lunch/diner breaks. Personally much prefer the ZE50 exterior and interior. The Google inbuilt nav is great. Perhaps with spiralling downwards running costs due to cheaper lecky, recognition of super low servicing costs, cheap tyres and quite cheap insurance the Zoe value will either not fall any more or even start to rise again.

Was a bit surprised when speaking to Renault to swap my Arkana and Zoe in for the long range ie over 380 mile range Scenic, European car of the year and after testing I can see why. Arkana a very mild hyvrid, would pay itself off but the Zoe' trade in price was thousands less than what I still owe on the pcp. Renault have to take it back next year if I do not want to pay the balloon payment under the pcp deal. The Zoe is a very capable ev in my view, very good range, google nav built in very good and the usual cheap servicing of many EVs. So I will have to hang on to it for another year. Easy to earn money from with the 45ppm rate and energy fill ups at less than 2p per mile but I am ready for a change after nearly 3 years.

Octopus Go users remember to reprogram ones car to take advantage of the hour of super cheap extra charging. It's like the good news of the clocks changing but in this case never going back. Hopefully a permanent change ie 5 hours cheap per day rather than 4. Additional advantage of those devices like the fridge freezer that are on all the time effectively being a few percent cheaper to run for this alone, even when prices go back up in October. Should have credit with Octopus after 3 months of much lower prices despite only paying £125 a month for lecky and gas for a biggish house and charging an EV. Happy days.

Wonder how many friends with home chargers facilitate other friends without home chargers and then financially share the savings ?

Just getting cheaper and cheaper to run an EV.................................

This was the Sky video that went through the export data..... There other things other than metal that are excluded from some export stats. When we do customs entries for aircraft they are also not included. Very high value but flit around the world. Some of the customs warehouse I have looked at like Bristol Car customs WH compound tens of thousands, technical not imported yet as in "bond", like the LME metal. If the Uk also adds the countervailing duty on cars etc I would expect thousands of cars to be put in to Uk Free Circulation the day before just to avoid the countervailing duty. Did similar for a Korean car company some years ago. Lies, damn lies and statistics. Do we feel like a highly successful exporting economy ? Werll there are some bright spots but the B event is still not helping at all.

Fuel poverty is something we should not be seeing in the 21st Century. I have seen Youtubes of people living in high rise flats hanging out solar panels on their balcony rails and generating solar energy, costs can be quite tiny and charity organisation should be giving out as part of their support I reckon. The tools to cut cost and even live off grid are here and getting cheaper and cheaper. UK governments and Energy companies should be worried that there are less and less needed be involved in many of people's day to day needs.

No, no, no UK people, like millions all over the world, are making their own electricity, putting it in to their cars and feeding their houses. Why do you think, despite the rapidly rising UK population due to immigration, that the electricity per consumption, as measure by the UK electrical suppliers, grid etc, is going down and down, year on year ? It because the UK home owner and businesses are generating probably several Terra Watts of electrical power to add to the 90 TW or so the UK passes in to home, some homes are substantially export to the grid. During the day I use solar to power the electrical devices throughout the home. Depending how much I have in reserve I will use that through the evening At night I set the house to use the super cheap night time electricity, currently 8.5 per kWh for me. In the morning, batteries charged up with the cheap nighttime time electricity, charge the EV up if needed also. Currently spending less than a pound a day, not including the standing charge. Now Octopus have teamed up with TESLA powerwall installing that maybe a way to go though I do like the portable solar generators 1, 2 kWh but would like to source a 3, 4 or 5 kW portable battery to add to the collection. Their price, like solar panels, just keep falling and falling. 200W portable solar panel £86 delivered from Amazon, pay for itself in a year I reckon. 1.5 kWh battery Amazon was doing for £299 delivered. pay for itself within 3 years I reckon. Plus it has power backup so one does not do a Manchester Airport total power loss for several hours.

Your right that oil producers, refinery and hydrocarbon wholesalers and retailers will each look at their margins and markets sizes. What we know is it is more expensive to get oil out of the seabed like the North Sea compared to places like Saudi. The difference can be getting oil from the North Sea is not viable at a production cost of $60 or $70 a barrel but the Middle East can still be profitable at prices as low as $20 a barrel. Oil for electricity as well as vehicles is in swift decline as both electricity production and using an EV just gets cheaper and cheaper. Those expensive coal, oil and gas producers are and will continue to shut down and oil will fluctuate as production is throttled by producers including OPEC try to keep the price of oil up as high as possible to make a profit. To the marginal producers they will shut down and probably never reopen if prices stay low due to production in the cheap to extract places easily provides enough. Electricity is expected to be almost free due to spiralling downwards production costs and cheaper storage costs.

3.5 miles per kWh is my winter energy consumption with the heat pumped fitted Zoe. 4 miles per kWh in cool weather, 5 to 10 temperature ambient range. 4.5 miles per kWh warm weather energy consumption. 5 miles per kWh, or close to, usually 4.9 I am getting, warm weather, no rush, ambling along, but early for the meeting, find the transit van flying along at 70 mph and a bit of drafting Talladega style, well maybe not that close but a respectful aero tow distance. How about 1.8 or less pence per mile energy costs Octopus Go in combo with Zoe.

Reading the fine print of my price change letter it is not only the lower of both the night and day rates by 14% and 6% respectively but Octopus are extend the Go cheap period from 4 hours to 5 hour. When one only has a 3.6 kWh charge as I do, ( it was £100 cheaper than the 7 kWh ) the extra hour can mean another 16 miles of extra range added for 31p but also if I want to charge up beyond the 80/85/90 % I usually charge up to I can give the car another 24 miles ie hour and half charge for just over £1. Wow. Begs the question why residuals are quite poor for the Zoe but quite good for the mild hybrid Arkana to trade in for a 87 kWh Scenic with 300 mile plus range. Things might change over the next months and year and I can always just hand the Zoe back via the PCP.

Sky debunked this. It is only from some Gold movements, presumably on the LME, the UK bounces from seventh to fourth, we really are a firm 7th without the Gold movements they seem to be saying.

Octopus Go rate for Midlands:- Nighttime charge rate down from 9 p per KwH to 8.5 p and day time from about 26p to 22 p per kWh, results !!

The EU Emissions Trading scheme is about to move in to phase two ie EU ETS 2, where all EU members will need to deal with carbon/CO2 goods further upstream which means dealing with the carbon side for fuel on its import and distribution which could add ten s or even hundreds of Euro per tonne of fuel. Whilst UK is not in the EU this could have massive consequences anyways. Whilst tank dipping on trucks on raised its head for a few weeks when the Single market came into being ie controls like some EU countries tried to implement that trucks should not have more than 200 litres in their tanks when crossing borders it is well known that some European trucks fill to brim in the EU with 1,000 litres of fuel and drive hundreds of miles on British roads only using EU bought fuel think would likely change with EU ETS 2 as EU fuel becomes much more expensive. Maybe the EU would restrict amount of fuel in UK trucks etc arriving in the EU so fuel is bought within the EU. As the UK has less refineries than it use to maybe the UK, like TESCOs does, will buy fuel from the EU but if it is more expensive then it will have to come farther at greater cost. Diesel and Petrol is bound to get more expensive as less and less drivers use that form of fuel but the spill over from the new EU ETS 2 could also magnify this cost to get fuel to the pumps for those who still but that form of fuel.

The UK maintains quite close alignment with the EU and that is necessary for the Trade Cooperation Agreement (logical called the TCA) our MFN rates are quite close, from what I have seen oft half a percent and sometimes two percent in the EU and zero in the UK. Car duty full MFN rate is 10% of both customs territories. UK kept some of the Anti Dumping Duties ie the few it put through Brussels and dropped the rest. As full entries are required from UK to EU then EU can levy these extra duties no problem. If the EU suspects origin as bing mis declared they can do much more checks of course. UK cars presumably be bought RHD so easy to spot coming in and look odd it one tries to EU register. Gibraltar was a quite a fraud point in the past both for cars ending up in UK and EU. If UK does not align the EU will make trade even harder than it is now. Labour have talked about a Norway or Swiss trade arrangement with EU. Norway has said no extra tariffs on EVs ie bring em in as up to now. No industry to harm of course, just happy EV consumers having their EVs subsidised by the Chinese state !!

And if it is not hit with massive extra import duties it might do very well. Cheaper and more powerful than the Clio etech which it is oft compared though not as composed or refined. Predict it will sell very well.

Earlier EVs suffered from very block shape and thick battery packs. My Zoe's battery pack is so thick there is no seat height adjustment up and down only back and forward but this has been largely solved with thinner battery packs. Battery packs are nearly always under the floor though my company does have some of our packs in the roof but that is unusual. Hence most EVs have been SUVs or tall city cars but that is now not the default as these blade pack batteries are enabling lower height cars. I gather the Scenic battery pack is not much over 100mm thick.

A good aero shape where as most EVs are city car shape, like the Zoe or very SUV shape and all tall cars. Good efficiency can be obtained if one is patient and cruise at 60 mph or below but if one runs at 70/75 then a very difference story. Zoe can do 300 miles or even 400 miles on a charge at urban speeds. Less good at motorway max speeds.