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Ah don't be like that. A couple areas that I reckon is getting attention is big improvements at public sites which people do not and cannot have home chargers will increasingly get access to and at a much lower price that the expensive DC charging (TESLA are much cheaper but one then needs the £11 subscription and be close to V4 TESLA chargers that can work with non TESLAs as most of use EV drivers drive. The decision by Sainsburys to put in charger at all 1400 stores will help and I have now found I can access a whole bunch of AC chargers with the Dragon charging, as well as the Mer and several other EV charging networks, all under and seems to be ever increase under Octopus Energy Electroverse RFID network with all its advantages of discounts and not charging the cost immediately but just adding it on to the household energy bill and as EVangelists know AC is usually much cheaper cost per unit of electricity ie usually about 50p per kWh instead of 70 to 80p per kWh as it is for DC charging. For us Renault Zoe and van drivers we can find quite a few 22 kW AC charging places so we are adding about 12 to 18 miles of range in ten minutes and warming the battery to make it more efficient in cold weather. Good for a splash and dash and add a margin of safety to range worries. Still a few places only charging 28 p per kWh which is basically cheaper than charging at home for most. Where there is a will there is a way.

I have watched quite a few of this guys videos and whilst he has one of the most droney voices I have every heard he does cover some good stuff and particularly for the 30k plus UK Zoe drivers as well as the Renault commercial EV ie Van guys which there must be thousands of those too in the UK. He makes a very good point, if not very pertinent to Renault EV owners but much less so to non Renault cars which does not have the Chameleon AC charging system, called such as I think the invertor which takes power from the traction battery for the motor is used to change direction, like a Chameleon changes colour, to take large amounts of AC from a charger, 22 kWs or even 43 kWs for the Q designated Zoes etc, and allow that throughput of power rectifying it to DC for the traction battery. Hence Zoe can charge almost as fast on AC as it does in DC for that 70% upwards State of Charge though to 95% or so, where there is a 22 kW AC charger there. I have been pleasantly surprised that Dragon Charging, who have just partnered with the Octopus Electoverse network partnership and there seems to be quite a number and for me in great places ie very close to my daughter in South Wales and several on the way on the Tewkesbury to Newport M50 and A449 which is a bit of a desert for DC charging for some odd reason, so bad you would consider going the longer M5 and M4 route which is about ten miles further, not the 30 to 40 miles that Davetakesiton said in one of his video but a longer trip and meaning one has to go across one or other of the Severn bridges, if the are open and not shut due to high wind which seems to be happen more and more due to climate change or sun spots or whatever. I thought AC chargers of 11,16, 22 or 43 kW would not grow at the same pace as DC rapids and ultra-rapids bu maybe they still have a place and I suspect 22 kw AC does less damage to the battery the high powered DC charging, possibly half of less of the degradation caused it seems to be reported by some videos. https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pages/energy-and-resources/articles/uk-ev-charging-infrastructure-update-show-me-the-money.html

The first minute was trash, talked tosh, headline on the video an incorrect statement so, as is my policy, if the Youtuber talks crap for that fist minute I bail out so I hope they did not get any Youtube financial kickback fo producing such rubbish. In that fist minute she accused the US government of producing misleading figures about costs to charge against cost of buying fossil fuel. Since, as we have said multiple times, most people charge manly at home or use AC charging at destinations as a much cheaper, or free access to charging, then to compare to the premium prices of in journey DC charging then this is not a valid comparison to the actual cost of running an EV. If the presenter suddenly changed from her trash talking in the first minute of her video please let me have those points as I could not bear listening to the tosh she stated to spout ?

Non info. Anyone with a brain knows pretty accurately how much pence or cents per mile it costs in electricity costs, simple maths and simple choosing where to charge economically. Bit more complex than ICE cars where there is a few percent difference in pump prices, lots of other method of paying less for fuel but most the time quite simple. EV charging bit more complex but opportunities to charge for tiny fraction of mainstream EV charging DC chargers or even charge for free some places ie included in stay at hotel etc. Video is US centric where diesel and petrol much cheaper than UK. Drivers chose EV model Y over petrol Camry for many reasons and running cost is one but they did their homework and I reckon did not rely on government figures but their own cents per kWh and miles per kWh.

Repeated post. (Paradigm change, especially in Europe's largest car market as the Dacia Spring reduced from about 20K Euros to 13K Euros, wow, so EVs not only the most popular car of any power train but also now the cheapest car !! )

Dacia Spring now the cheapest of any cars in Europe so EVs not just the best selling model but also the cheapest car of any propulsion type. Dacia spring now 13k Euros in Germany and that is without any government subsidies.

Just to be clear then I believe from what I have read that EVs have very low levels of pollution, CO2, PM2.5 and PM10 particles, leak and problems of disposal of dangerous level of rare earth metals. Very pro in getting rid of diesel engine land vehicles as quickly as they can be replaced by electric, petrol-hybrid, even LNG, and that is despite, or partial because, having done a 4 year apprenticeship as a marine diesel engineering officer. I hope that has come across loud and clear perhaps despite the occasional typo or omission of a word flipping what I meant to see. Stop BS, stop burning stuff.

Most EVs little pollution, some say there is a bit of tyres deg which might have some pollution. Batteries now have little or no rare earth metals, phones and tablets are reportedly worse for this. I am still learning how to optimise on charging, when best to charge to bring up the battery temp when cold to increase battery ability to charge and give best output and miles per kWh. Zoe only has active cooling and UK version does not have battery heating only the nordic version do I gather. Be interesting to see if upgrade batteries become available as the cost fall so much and energy density improves maybe I could get a 60 or 70 kWh battery at a low cost especially if my 52 kWh does degrade by 5 or 10%. TESLA just dropped prices by 4 to 7 % on the continent ie retail less than £40k for a model Y standard, hopefully head that way in the UK shortly and maybe the Y will be no 1 in 2024 as well as 2023.

Very little waste heat in an EV as engine is so efficient. What little there is can be channel to warm the traction battery or cabin. Unique selling point is running cost of about 5p a mile and that is energy for motion, servicing and tyres. Running internal heating and then running the engine for short periods is common on hybrids. Engines in pure ice cars ie non hybrids are inefficient as load is so low that engine is running at a very ineffient rpm. Turbo not really running at 800 engine rpm, low volumetric efficiency. Hybrids bring the ice on for short periods, load the engine with it powering the generator to charge the hybrids lithium battery and shut off when jacket temp up to say 70c and hybrid battery charged to about three quarters. Passenger comfort systems will then run for 10 minutes or so and hybrid battery down to a quarter and then ice engine switches on again to power genny for hybrid system and bring jacket water temp back up to 70ish. Works well and keep fuel consumption over 50 mpg even in this sub zero temp and the torque from engine and motor makes it feel like a torquey 2 litre engine. Tell my lad to run it in eco mode in the bad weather as just so much torque. Same with the EVs massive toque off the line, bad enough in summer but tyre ripping in winter. 0 to 30 in a nidge over 3 seconds is fun in both the ev and the hybrid, puts the turbo petrol to shame even though all about the 140 - 145 hp Mark. Filling station which only hydrocarbon fuel and not lecky are starting to die out. New EV charging places are popping up plus garden centres, fast food outlets and super markets are jumping on the EV charging band wagon. Charge their car, sell them coffee, foods etc. Worcester now has far more charging points than it does fossil fuel filling pumps. Pump manufacturers like Tokheim in Dundee are making more and more ev charging units and their is bound to be a reduction in wiesel and petrol pumps correspondingly. The future is nigh and its lecky.

Half a day or over a day an EV get keep its occupants warm, not dissimilar to ICE cars I would have thought. My EV has 4 USB points so people can all keep on their devices. My EV has a heat pump so is really efficient using the energy in the battery, 1 kWh draw will keep those inside warm whilst generating around 3 or 4 kWs of heat hence the Zoe ZE50 occupants could survive on the battery even if the battery was only half charges. Dont know of any ICE cars with hit pumps. They rely on the inherent inefficiency of their fossil fuel to power cycle, turbo petrol about 30% efficient, car diesel engine about 40%. EV are just so damn thermally efficient ie around 90%, they just do not produce vast amounts of waste heat, only vast amounts of pollution. One reason I did not go straight for the Megane E from the Zoe, only the top of the range had heat pump, now the middle range one does and I presume the cheapo one will soon. All recent TESLA have heat pumps I gather. The big issues in Chicago seems partially down to chargers, and cars, charging more slowly in the minus 40 temperature (Celcius and Farenheit cross over at this temp ie minus 40 is the same temp on both scale at this point). SOme EV drivers, we are not all saints and nice people though I like to think we are enlightened, and some were probably handing on for that last 10 or 20 % charge at a very slow rate. I think chargers should charge at least at half or quarter their maximum rate, if all working chargers are running so EV drivers do not hand on to a rapid DC charger whilst only drawing 10 or 15 kWs. I would move off the charger, hopefully there would be an AC charger nearby where I could get 15 or 20 or 22 kWs and free up a DC charger. There are still more AC chargers than there are DC, some only a poxy 7 kWh, but some 11, 16s, and 22s, more than some people think, just tapped in to that lovely 3 phase AC network so I can suck it up in the Renault's Cameleon charger.

Sainsburys to go one step further and not just host and EV charging network, such as Pod point like many do, but actually become their own EV charging network in their 1400 stores If Tescos do not match this might have to switch allegiances to JS from TESCOs. If the price is good, hopefully close to TESLA closing charge prices.

The EU's stance is one of what it considers fair competition. So it has Anti-Dumping powers if goods are people sold cheaper to the EU than in that country's own market, it presumes the goods are being "dumped" to destroy the EU's manufacturing so one destroyed that exporter can move in and supply with a profitable export to the EU after a period of destroying the EU's manufacturing base. This is Anti Dumping Duty ie tariffs. There is also Countervailing Duties that can be used to recover perceived losses in other areas, we have used this more against the USA than even China. There is also Safeguarding measures, or quota measures, can be quickly put in place to stop apparent quickly developing situations that threaten EU home supply interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An anti-dumping duty can be imposed if goods have been brought in at a dumped price, i.e. they have been sold for export at a price that is lower than the cost of production or the domestic prices. Anti-dumping duties are often imposed on particular companies. A countervailing duty can be imposed if a country has subsidised its exports. A product may be subject to both an anti-dumping duty and a countervailing duty. A safeguard duty or a quota can be imposed if unexpectedly increasing imports pose a threat to EU industries. Safeguard measures can be imposed quickly, and their validity is shorter than that of anti-dumping and countervailing measures. The safeguard measures concern all non-EU countries, i.e. third countries. The imposition anti-dumping and countervailing measures is always preceded by an investigation. The investigation takes up to 14 months (anti-dumping duty) or 13 months (countervailing duty). Definitive measures, an anti-dumping duty or a countervailing duty, can be imposed after the investigation. They are to lapse after five years. Provisional measures. The Commission can impose provisional measures during an investigation, no earlier than 60 days from initiation and no later than 7 to 8 months thereafter. A provisional anti-dumping duty is imposed for a period of up to of six months. A provisional countervailing duty is imposed for a period of up to of four months. A guarantee must be lodged them. The guarantee is collected as definitive, if a definitive anti-dumping or countervailing duty is imposed.

Electric car charging ? No. In cold climates ICE (not a pun) get plugged in to block heaters to keep the glycol in the "cooling", yes cooling systems warm enough not to bust the "cooling" system. Diesel fuel itself starts to get sludgy around minus 12C. Glyloc needs to be very close to the range of being 60% strength with the water being the other 40% to give protection down to minus 45/50 C I gather so you need to get your hydrometer to get that just right. And media trying to paint the picture EVs have issues with vey cold temperatures . "ICE" car plugged in to a block heater to stop the glycol bursting the engine.

At least those northern dockyard and Hampshire council folks allow the use of outside cable covers. Does the cable cover go down only when charging ?? Does it need to be cut to length ? Will it curl and is there a trip hazard or issue with the car side of the cable ? As blind people use their stick to tap along the edge of the curb sometimes ? Fortunately Sainsburys and the other supermarkets, about 10,000 locations, are rolling out fast and rapid chargers at their sites over the next year or so and therefore less of any issue going forward. What is the progression of less of the housing stock being terraced etc and more being suburban with driveways ? My first house, not flat, had a garage in block just over the way, that would have worked.

Cycle that by me one time more, I needed to hear with frequency to get it.

Dragon charging + 1 have joined the Electroverse charging network. No pre authorisation fees, a discount on charging costs. MacMaster you muppet.

Octopus now have Dragon and another one I forget have joined the massive Electoverse ie Octopus's large and growing network. Pre payment, do not even pay anything at the time of charging, net it off on my monthly household bill. MacMaster you muppet. Oh and I get a discount from 5 to 20% on the cost.

Will be great to see a massive EV car plant in Canada if they can do the deal and if Honda can survive the next couple of years and actually go ahead. We are seeing some big overseas investment but one wonders if they are conditional on some local investment costing us the tax payers to help it happen. Honda's EVs have been a bit of a joke but the have just announced some different cars at the Las Vegas show so maybe the have a chance of surviving to go ahead with the plant. I go pass the Honda Swindon plant and don't hold out great hope that Honda will be successful unless they change course.

More than I thought, my bad. Your quote 2020 data which was a peak and Canada has been slipping down the car producing ladder with it only a bit ahead of the UK paulty 1M cars but UK produces significant high value cars, Aston, Bentley, Mclaren, Rolls as we as mainstream like Nissan. All the companies you mention, maybe with Stellantis having some future with some cheap EVs, are "legacy" auto makers with products which are showing to be less desirable to buyers as we see Toyota losing best selling car from their Camry to the Tesla Model Y, Honda in big trouble with models not selling. Ford, GM, and Chrysler (Stellantis) all with inventory issues and been producing cars at a loss. Canadians buying TESLAs made in US, China and probably will from Mexico when that TESLA factory opens. Sad but countries need a TESLA plant and a supply of real cheap Chinese cars for the low end of the market which are too cheap to make in a high earnings economy.

Sounds like dealer's grumbling that they bought the wrong stock and now got high inventory. Canadian car production, what car production, a few US models is all they have ever produced. Maybe Canada can help get cars from China to Europe via Pacific with tesla, mg now shipping via round South Africa route. EV manufacturing is solving cold temperature running and range with significant improvement year on year.

Small English company owned by an Indian company, sounds a bit like Land Rover. Only 30 out the thousand electric buses TfL have. Expect they may find it difficult to get more orders. Optare Metrodecker 1050 bus.

Gully, get it. Is it creating a trench in the pavement or a cable guide which is raised on top of the payment ? Has to be one or another ?

EVs go mass appeal......................

2/3 year and 60K miles for VAG cars ? Hyundai and Kia 7 years. My Renaults 5 years and 100K miles. Both the full EV and the mild hybrid. Had a turbo go on my 30 month old Audi A4 and it was a nervous warranty claim as car had done 65k miles. VAG warranty does not back up the brands supposed high engineering standards.

Yes I do get involved in the saving sessions. It compares with "ones normal usage" so difficult to save much if one does not normally use much lecky between say 1700 and 1830. But Octopus pay an enhanced rate even if one only saves half a kWh. They would have had to pay some high rate to use a fill in power, Drax or some standby hydrocarbon station so they prefer to give it to customer making savings than standby stations burning stuff. Quite a small difference but something and I have yet to get the whole house switched over to batteries for these periods which I will get one of my daughters electrician boyfriends to do at some point.