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True cost of ownership from real world, compared against an extremely optimistically costed theoretical diesel. EV is £15k cheaper over 3 years 172k miles, the battery is still on 89% state of health.

Take away implicit subsidies there's still 1 trillion explicit subsidies paid directly to use and supply fossil fuel. How much would it cost to use fossil fuel if that 1 trillion isn't there? How much would it cost to use fossil fuel if the real cost of using this fuel (6 trillion) were levied? Yes, explicit includes stuff like UK's winter fuel allowance. But wouldn't it be better to use those winter fuel allowance money to better insulate people's home? "If you give a man a fish, he eats for a day; If you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." Circling back, the reason I posted about subsidies is because the source article from the link I provided talked about US recent bill is removing incentives for energy project like the off-grid charging hub.

Indeed. Even with my 10 years old small 2.9 kW-p W-E array. I am still mostly self sufficient during sunny days. That includes all home use and local driving. EV batteries and stationary batteries are the enabler for self reliance cheap renewables. The only reason fossil fuel are affordable today is because of many decades of subsidies. Fossil fuel still get 1 to 7 trillion subsidies (depend on method of calculation). Our World in DataHow much in subsidies do fossil fuels receive?Estimates range from less than $1 trillion to $7 trillion. Where do these numbers come from?

The truth about EV is that, once built, they can continuously work independently from any geopolitical influence. (I see petrol/diesel prices are on the rise again) Case in point, Tesla recently opened 168 charging stall supercharger in California that is entirely off-grid. 100% renewable solar powered. https://imformati.com/news/395

Can we move car hunting for tall people to another thread? Not remotely related to truth about EV’s.

Because of what? BEV need to cheat because? On the other hand: (Source: IET’s E+T magazine July-August 2025)

It would be good to list all your requirements when you pose a question. My linked vehicle satisfies your requirement in the post I quoted. If you didn’t want it answered, simply don’t ask pointless questions.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?advertising-location=at_cars&homeDeliveryAdverts=include&make=Tesla&maximum-mileage=90000&model=Model%20S&postcode=Al21bx&sort=price-asc&year-from=2019 £18k for <50k on odometer Still in battery and drivetrain warranty. 2.3p/kwh charged at home 7p/kwh at 3mi/kwh. That means 200 miles day trips = £4.60 Of course, this cheapness requires charging at home.

Ah yes. That one. My brain didn’t connect the dots. But it’s far from normal. £10k do get a very usable second hand EV for everything on this small island though.

Me too, on saving sessions. Because my usual is 0 import from the grid, it's impossible to save any more than that 🤣 But free electricity sessions are now different for Intelligent Go (and Flux) customers compared to other regular tariffs. Max we can get is 52p for plugging in EV (free charging). Household use is no longer free for us. Which EV is that? They have certainly come down in price by a lot. Cost of purchase is no longer a barrier.

I only got 52p :( Intelligent Octopus customers are credited for having EV smartly controlled. Nothing else get free lecy credit now. So I only plugged in the 3.3 kW Leaf to IOG controlled charge point. It didn't get a slot allocated for the free session. So essentially got 52p for free. But I don't like this direction of travel. Previously during the 2 hour free session, I maxed out my grid connection for the 2 hours at 20 kW. Got over £9 of credit and free energy. Now, for Intelligent customers, only car charging is credited for as free leccy.

I wonder how much electricity it uses...... How many EV's can be powered by freed up capacity from oil refinaries....

Before 2023, from 2017 when I was looking, we hardly ever see EV with 0% finance. It's nearly always higher than ICE vehicle. People were saying EV are expensive because monthly are high. That was because EV depreciation are low back then, market choice was very limited. Now, people have moved the goal post, saying EV depreciate more and ignore the 0% incentives for ultra cheap monthly. Swings and roundabouts. Whatever suits your narrative. Truth is right now, EV depreciate slightly higher % and sometimes it's more expensive to buy initially. But lots of deals to be had for first buyer on finance and subsequent owners. (just don't be a first owner cash buyer)

This is the swings and roundabout of EV prices. In ~2017, there were a dry period for EV enthusiasm. So Nissan were doing many deals even on their used EV's. I scored a less than 3 years old 2014 Leaf for less than 1/3 of its RRP after all the incentives by Nissan. In mid 2022, there was a period of huge demand. EV were in higher demand than ICE vehicle due to petrol price shenanigans and queues at the petrol station. After 2023, EV market entered a price war. Many deals to be had. So of course 2022 3 years old Leaf would be more expensive than it's worth and it would have taken a huge depreciation hit. It's Chademo, equivalent of buying Betamax kit at highest RRP after VHS had clearly won. But at the same time, I could have sold my 2014 Leaf in 2022 to WBAC for no less than what I paid for it back in 2017. That was crazy times. Let's examine something more realistic and close to me: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?advertising-location=at_cars&exclude-writeoff-categories=on&homeDeliveryAdverts=include&make=Tesla&maximum-mileage=50000&minimum-mileage=40000&model=Model+Y&moreOptions=visible&postcode=al2+1bx&sort=price-asc&year-from=2022&year-to=2022 Model Y LR AWD 2022, 40-50k shows £22k to £27k range. New price was £55k. Depreciation: £33k over 3 years. (worst case, 55 - cheapest) Let's say Volvo XC60, new price ranged from £49k to £70k. https://www.parkers.co.uk/volvo/xc60/review/ Used price range from £26k to £38k. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?advertising-location=at_cars&exclude-writeoff-categories=on&homeDeliveryAdverts=include&make=Volvo&maximum-mileage=50000&minimum-mileage=40000&model=XC60&moreOptions=visible&postcode=al2%201bx&sort=price-asc&year-from=2022&year-to=2022 Depreciation: £23k to £32k over 3 years (lower - lower, upper - upper) So let's say about £3k more depreciation on the Tesla than Volvo, if we make an effort to compare similar (add volvo's autopilot, upgraded engine for closer to 5s, glass roof, etc). Hardly poor value in the EV's when those 50,000 miles could have cost EV £1250 whereas the Volvo diesel will cost over £5000, more in petrol. When man-math is removed, the truth is it's much sameness.

So what I'm hearing is excellent news for second owner? Much cheaper vehicle + cheap charging = cheap motoring :) But the assumption of the video is that brand new Leaf costs £30k, Micra is £25k. Most expensive Leaf I can find on autotrader, pre-reg because Leaf have stopped production, is £18k https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202503130102481 There's some man-maths going on here in the video.

Looking back, diesel was £1.20 to £1.45 per litre back in 2018. In today's money is: Yet diesel are less than £1.40 at most petrol stations I've seen. In effect, price of petrol/diesel had been going down over the years. A fuel duty increase is long over due. Electricity price have been taken on a wild ride due to price structure tied to fossil gas. https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-why-expensive-gas-not-net-zero-is-keeping-uk-electricity-prices-so-high/ However, with adequate home provision, one can easily make sure electricity price don't change much, even see it go down. From 12p/kWh off-peak economy 7, to 10p/kWh on Bulb EV tariff, to IOG at 7p/kWh. A electricity pricing system restructure is long overdue. From that, we can only see bigger variations between peak and off-peak due to highly variable nature of renewables. Giving more room to lowering electricity bill for those prepared.

Ah yes, my parents had that problem on IOG with their Zappi. I remember now when video says the car goes into deep sleep and that it only works for the first intelligent charging session, subsequent charging sessions doesn't work. It's 100% a Renault car problem. After my parents' Megane done a firmware update, it was fixed. Now all works seamlessly. https://support.myenergi.com/hc/en-gb/articles/21802420976657-Troubleshooting-Charge-Delayed-Notification-on-the-Renault-Megane Problem was reported within first month of ownership, I had to get this escalated as a fix or reject problem. The dealership was totally clueless and it took lots of Emails to get them to accept it is a car problem. I even had to do their research and send them the issue ID. Traditional dealers are clueless with EV's. Don't trust anything they say. But end of the day, video guy can always revert to timer based charging even if he's on IOG, off-peak tariff 11:30-5:30. That never failed.

I am guessing the problem is that people treat regen breaking as something new, something unique and thus something scary. The effect it has on the drive wheels is similar to engine braking. It's like always driving around in 2nd gear with much much higher engine RPM capability. Foot off, engine-brakes. The biggest safety concern is the weight of vehicles. Physics dictates everything when braking, powertrain isn't the differentiator. (just like vehicle privacy concerns aren't unique to EV's) But as previously proven, well designed BEV isn't heavier when compared to similar sized vehicles.

(I've not watched the TV show, It's been years since I've watched broadcast TV) The physical friction brakes will always out-perform any tyre-to-road friction. So during emergency braking, regen braking would not make a difference. The only difference is that, if driving manually, from driver's reaction decision to brake to activating the brakes will see EV with higher regen start slowing down the vehicle before foot is on the brake pedal. A few mph difference at most.

Source: BBC NewsMore people buying electric cars and heat pumps than ever...But the Climate Change Committee warns there's still a long way to go for the UK to reach net zero by 2050. Question to class: With ever decreasing electricity supply. How do we capitalise on this and reduce surface transport carbon emissions?

Same, apart from untethered port issue (probably due to me stretching the 5m Type 1 cable to reach Leaf), I've not had any problems with IOG controlling my Indra smart pro. (touch wood) But with changes to free sessions for IOG, I feel Octopus are perhaps experimenting with type of use tariff like OVO charge anytime. This type of tariff is utterly useless for home battery or multiple EV and multiple charge point. If they change IOG from time of use to type of use, I'd be the first one to jump ship. Currently EOn next drive smart looks the best: https://www.eonnext.com/tariffs/next-drive/smart

Vehicle data privacy is notoriously bad. This has nothing about EV's, unless you are gullible enough to believe a social media "influencer". The poor data privacy had been talked about years ago: Mozilla FoundationCars are a Privacy Nightmare: Here’s Why That MattersModern cars are surveillance-machines on wheels that can detect everything we do and where and when we do it. What could happen if something goes wrong? (I suppose 2023 didn't line up with the "influencer"'s publishing schedule. Now is a bit of a dry spell for him)

BBC NewsHow China made electric vehicles mainstreamThe world's second largest economy is both the biggest producer and buyer of EVs. Weirdly the main reason I switched from ICE to EV was also to save money. My monthly diesel bill was around £130 back around 2016 when diesel costed £1. House electricity bill was probably around £30-£50. I remember DD was £80 back then. Now my whole house monthly electricity bill is £40-£80 depending on season, similar to "typical household" despite powering 2 EV's.

MG (at least in New Zealand) are acknowledging the issue from what I can see: https://evsandbeyond.co.nz/mg-to-tweak-xpower-over-vibration/ VAG also had the infamous water pump issue. Most were not fixed under warranty. Many vehicles have underlying faults. Cars are complex machinery. I guess difference here is someone on social media used "wanted me silenced" for clicks and the gullible laps it up.

Be careful making that sort of comparison. Next you know, people might be think electricity can leak into the ground or spread fire by flowing like river, like petrol/diesel. 😜 Petrol station can definitely pollute a lot more than simply supplying the source of pollutant: BBC NewsBramley: Fuel leak clean-up will take years, residents toldBramley residents hear updates on a fuel leak after 600 residents were left without water in June."Asda paid the village £512,000 in October as compensation for the disruption." Pocket change operational costs to the petrol station. Can't even cover 1 year of clean up operation. But must keep the petrol station open despite needing years of clean up.