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Since pre-launch info is starting to come out about the EV6 I thought I'd start a topic for news and info about it. Here's a couple of videos about it. Shows some shots of the outside and interior, it looks nicer than the Ioniq 5 but would need to sit in it to see what it was really like.

Hopefully when they are finished they will police it to prevent ICE'ing adn also EV'ing of the rapid chargers. Pre COVID, the park and ride's round here had very few empty spaces, and it wasn't uncommon to see an EV charging spot occupied by something that shouldn't be there simply because there were no other spaces.

Here's a look at the inside, Doesn't seem to have as much headroom as the VW ID3 or 4. The reviewer says he is 6'2" and there's not much clearance over his head in either the front or back. Could just be the camera angle though.

Excellent news. I have a thought on how to improve charging at motorway services. Firstly let us look at what will actually be needed during the ICE>EV transition. Logically no pumps could be removed for 10+ years since the transition to EV will take longer than that. Even if Govt mandated that only EV's be sold from today on, most ICE cars would still be on the road in 10 years. Secondly if an ICE car can refuel from empty to full via pay at pump in say 5 mins and, at best, an EV like the new Hyundai Ioniq could recharge empty to full in say 25mins, it would mean that when the EV transition is completed around 5 times as many filling stations would be required. Except an EV has half the range when fully charged of an ICE car, so actually the number of EV charging stations would need to double again. That means that at least 10 times as many EV charging stations will be required as current number of petrol pumps at the same location. How can this be achieved whilst the ICE pumps are still needed. Simple, rather than the gridserve model with cars parked in a line at a dedicated EV forecourt, just reline the existing services car park area and leave a 3 foot space to put an EV charger in between where the cars park nose to nose. One charger could serve a car on either side of it facing end on. It would take up very little additional space in the car park doing it this way, be easily extendable as EV adoption increases, and without disrupting the petrol forecourt. In addition as EV's would require a longer stop anyway, it would put them right beside the shops and restaurant so the operator of the services would benefit from increased footfall in the shops, increasing revenue.

But many people will be doing exactly that, comparing EV and Petrol/Diesel vehicles when deciding to replace their car. Many who buy cars are private buyers who are not able to benefit from BIK. So will be looking at the costs. One of my friends recently bought a new ICE car. He said that he did look at EV's but didn't feel that they were good value for money, citing cost and range. Being retired he's not normally doing the same miles as he was, so monthly fuel costs weren't a factor for him in his thoughts. The purchase cost and the charging times for when he occasionally goes down south to the Cotswolds to visit the grandkids made him choose petrol. My point about the price of ioniq was not just about the comparison with Petrol/Diesel, but with other EV's also. Sadly the Ioniq seems to be priced more towards the luxury end of the market, whereas I was hoping it was going to be a replacement for the Kona EV with prices starting at around £32k and going up to perhaps £40k, but it seems that the Ioniq will be starting at around £45k. Even the ID4 1st Edition isn't that expensive. That has disappointed me since until recently I was thinking my next car might be an Ioniq, but not at that price.

Got to agree with the SUV comment, this looks to be so low that it would beach if it went over anything rougher than a gravel driveway. I understand that minimising ground clearance improves the aero and therefore the fuel economy of vehicles, but you can't really call it an SUV if it has no more ground clearance than a VW golf. Perhaps we should start calling the Octavia Scout as an SUV??? It's got better ground clearance, and is larger, and is better in every way as a "lifestyle" SUV. I was hoping for a lower price as well, I could spec an L&K, 7 seat Diesel Kodiaq for similar money, and that is much more of an SUV. Ok there is the EV incentive to come off this EV, but even so, in comparison to what else people can buy for similar money it has some significant non-EV competition for peoples wallets. Even within the EV market, there is stiff competition at this price. I expect when Tesla finish their Berlin plant and start selling Y's in europe Hyundai will need to drop their prices to compete.

It sounds as though the vehicle doesn't have Vehicle to Grid (at the moment), rather it has what they are calling Vehicle to Load, which appears to mean you can plug in appliances such as kettles, hoovers, etc. to sockets in the car and use them. That's probably due, as you suggest, to the CCS connector not supporting it. But I'd assume if it can power up to 3.6Kw of loads, it should be able to deliver similar amounts of power to the grid once the supply equipment catches up. Though I'm looking forwards to the first support call to Hyundai UK complaining that the car isn't charging properly on the granny charger, especially when the helpdesk operator finally discovers that they've plugged the charger lead into the socket inside the car. Have Hyundai accidentally developed the first self-charging BEV??? The fast charge capability has the potential to be a bit of a game changer in EV adoption in years to come. Whilst many can charge overnight for their normal daily trips, the lengthy stops to recharge in older technology vehicles during a long journey have put some people off. Being able to regain so much range just during a short comfort break in the services removes those enforced waits and allows long trips to be made in the same time a combustion engined car could make them. Granted, there aren't many suitable chargers at present, but I foresee that improving as more cars like this become available.

Delays to the official launch of the new vehicle have been happening. First planned for early Feb, then mid Feb, latest is late Feb 21. There is speculation it may be battery related woes. If LG is the supplier the recent fires in the battery packs of Chevy Bolt, e-nero, and Kona may be the cause. Launching a new car with the same battery whilst in the midst of worldwide safety recalls for fires in the predecessor might be bad for PR, and logistically difficult if they are using much of their battery supplies at present for remediation on prior models. On the other hand the recent ITC judgement against SKI banning them from selling batteries into the US for stealing trade secrets may pose a whole different set of problems in launching it since, unlike Christmas presents, most customers will be very unwilling to buy a car with a sticker on it that says "Batteries Not Included"

Not the Ioniq, but the sister vehicle from Kia has been spotted out testing. Though the outside is all padded there are a couple of pictures which show some glimpses of the interior including the screens and the controls on the central console/armrest area. Since the two companies share a lot of components it'll give a clue about the interior of the Ioniq also. In fact, if you combine the exterior from the video above, and the interior from the link below. You'll probably get a rough idea of what both the next Hyundai and Kia EV's will look like. https://insideevs.com/news/487050/kia-cv-ev-spy-photos-interior-revealed/

Erm... I did make mention of it, in my initial post, the one you quoted. The edit was only to correct a couple of spelling mistooks I only noticed after posting. Initially when setting out on my trip home there was absolutely zero movement when trying to open the tailgate. It was as though it was still locked, even though the sound of the latch actuator could be heard when the handle was pressed. After driving for a little with the heating on the door open warning came up and on stopping to check it, the tailgate would open a little, but then stop. When I tried the boot latch release on the fob it opened normally when I then tried opening it again. Whether that was pure chance and something had thawed out a little more, or there was some reason the fob boot release button worked when the other buttons I didn't know. Weasley's post of the mechanism would suggest that there are no other electrical connections, so the different button allowing it to open was pure chance.

Well there wasn't any sound of the motor running on, so I'm hoping it is nothing serious. Once the weather warms up a bit I think I'll try to open it again and get some lube into the lock cam and also give the rubber seal some attention with some silicon spray. Thanks for the link to that thread. It has some useful info on part numbers, so if the lock is failing I'll at least know what part I'll need.

Ah so that's what it looks like inside. I'm guessing that the white bit rotates and that unblocks the black bit of the hook on the latch and it can swing round and open? Perhaps there was frost/ice in the black hook bit of the latch mechanism holding it shut then. If the white bit had sheared off it wouldn't have started working ok again afterwards would it?

It didn't feel like that though, I've had that happen to the front doors occasionally and if the latch releases there's usually a tiny amount of movement as the stuck rubber flexes when you pull. This felt like it was locked still.

Hopefully someone will know the answer to this. First the background. The last couple of days here in Scotland have been a bit snowy and chilly (-15C last night!) and my facelifted Yeti has been living outside. So today I had to go in to work and set off whilst it was still pretty chilly. Had the heater on and it was toasty inside by the time I arrived. However by the time I was ready to head home the temp was -7.5C. Now to the problem, I had a replacement monitor to lug home from work and wanted to put it in the boot for safety. Pressed the button to unlock the doors and boot on the fob and the car unlocks and the usual sounds of deadlocks retracting. So far so good. Walked up to the boot and pulled the catch, usual whirring sound of solenoid or whatever, but zero movement from the door. Now, I mean absolute zero movement, it wasn't a feel like the rubber seal was sticking and holding the tailgate shut, that would have some give as the rubber seal flexed. This felt as though it was still locked. Tried the little button beside the gear stick to unlock all the doors in case it was the fob playing up since the battery must be ancient by now, but still nothing. So I give up as it was blooming cold and there's a icy wind cutting through me, stuff the monitor into the passenger footwell, de-ice the windows and head home. Heater is on, and thanks to roadworks I have a detour before I can join the motorway. This turns out to be very fortunate as the dashboard shows a warning that the boot is open. Just before the motorway slip, if not for the roadworks Id've been doing 70 on the motorway at the time. I pull over and try the boot latch again. This time it opens about 1-2 inches, but no more. I push it back down and it doesn't latch closed, pull it up harder, still just the same 1-2 inches no more. Push down harder still not latching. Repeat a couple of times, same result. Try the little switch by the gear lever, no difference . Then in a moment of desperation I take the key and press the boot catch release only button on the key fob. Success, the tailgate opens like normal, as though nothing had happened So I take my little mini mag light and inspect the latch and the pin, nothing jamming them that I can see, so slam the tailgate shut hard. It locks, then I try the latch and now it opens as normal. no 1-2 inches only, no needing to use the boot release on the key fob, just normal operation. Has anyone come across this sort of thing before, and if so what was the solution. My best guess is that something in the lock mechanism didn't like the unusually low temps and froze solid until the car warmed up enough to free it up. If I'm right then why did the boot latch only button work and the others didn't? Does it operate the release mechanism in a different way? Also how do I prevent it happening again, is there something I should dismantle and grease within the locking mechanism?

Didn't see a topic on this EV that's expected to launch in perhaps a month or two so I thought I'd start one. There's been some sightings of it testing over in Germany but they've always had more padding camouflaging it's true shape than Dolly Parton. I've found a video with what purports to be the new car in it, but with just the cammo stickers rather than all the black nylon and random bulges on the euro test cars. It's in a Korean video on the new Hyundai charging stations they are opening, and there's a company rep demonstrating the new station to a Korean you tube "influencer". And by chance there's a car "by chance" in the background which he also has a look round. All part of the big companies Marketing and PR teaser campaigns prior to launch of course, but interesting nonetheless. The look at the charger is also interesting as it showcases one solution to lugging round the heavier power cables needed by higher power 350Kw chargers. Car makes proper appearance at around 4:45