Graham Butcher

Where did this fire thing come from? Nobody is talking of fires.

Why are you widening this out to include other marques, the actual theme of this discussion was purely around the Jaguar decision to only offer BEV cars when they are world famous for Ice luxury cars that are award winning beautifully looking cars with real road presence. All I was saying is will this car that Rory was given a ride in actually continue that legacy as most BEVs are boring to look at.

Yes, we already know that. I was not even hinting towards there being anything other than all-electric models. As the car that Rory was being driven in is wearing heavy disguise, we cannot see if the car will have any of the DNA of their most iconic range, the XJ from 1968 to 2009, which saw them winning the best prestige luxury car award year on year throughout that period. The model that came out from 2010 to 2019 had none of the poise and road presence of the previous models and saw a rapid decline in the popularity of the car.

@Stonekeeper I just wonder, once all all that heavy disguise is removed if the car will have the same kind of style, grace and presence of the classic Jags such as the XJ series cars had?

We now have 55 100% electric buses operating out of just one garage at present, which is Basildon, with a staggering investment for those 55 of £30.6 million; God knows what the final cost is to reequip all of the depots with them.

I expect that what they give with one hand, they will try and get back with other. It's important to remember that their costs have to rise as well because of the gulf War, just as they did with the ukraine war. We still use gas do we not at some plants?

I'm not too sure, your talking of the global scene and I think Harry was talking more about the UK situation and how the UK car industry is suffering and thus the UK economy. As to the Chinese cars, I think they are of poor quality with many cases of cars not even lasting 3 months before failing here in the UK, with the dealers struggling to fix them. Some cars are claimed to have been back at the dealers for over a month awaiting parts or even not being able to diagnose them correctly.

Anyone seen this new video from Harry's Garage? I think he is making some extremely good points in this video, do you agree?

Oh dear, now VW are recalling loads of their EVs over faulty modules on the electrics that could cause the cars to overheat and catch fire – just another in a long line of car manufacturers to do so. So what happens to the Ford models which are based on the VW's, will Ford now also issue a recall or will they just try and wing it? Ford Explorer EV: A compact SUV launched in 2024, produced at Ford's Cologne plant, sharing its core underpinnings with the Volkswagen ID.4. Ford Capri EV: A "coupe-crossover" sibling to the Explorer, which also uses the VW MEB platform and is produced in Germany. Volkswagen and Cupra battery fire recall affects 93k EVs, 2k in the UK | Auto Express

@lol-lol is it really? I wonder if it is not a case of grabbing the current situation and using it to suit the narrative; after all, the powers that be are not going to look a gift horse in the mouth if they think that enough people would be swayed to buying a car to go towards their ideological dream. If Ed Miliband can possibly think that spending millions of UK taxpayers' money on solar panels and then installing them in the Congo where the sunshine is more predictable then here in the UK is a good idea, the claiming the Iran war is also a good idea.🫣 I'm really not convinced that electricity is going to be coming down, especially when the government have announced that help would be available to anyone is going to struggling with their energy bills after the July price hike, and unless I'm mistaken, they are referring to home energy bills, not automotive ones (i.e. those using dino juice for their cars)

The answer is that I never saw it and I was not implying that you did; I was saying that his logic seems OK based on his previous experience.

@Evolution13 I see. you are using the alleged battery SOH rather than the displayed SOC, makes some sense. But in reality if what you are saying is actually true about SOH, SOC, actual ambient temperature, estimation based on the days before, etc., etc., then all of what you are saying does kind of show that electric cars are not currently a suitable replacement for combustion ones because there are so many things that you need to bear in mind all the time and plan for before you can actually get in and drive them. Right, let's draw a line in the sand here, as the original aim of my post in the first place was to gain the benefit of the knowledge that you EV drivers have as to what the actual problem with this car was. Before we get the experts' opinion from the Nissan dealerships' engineers, we will see who was the nearest to the truth. This is the reason why I said, and I quote, "I'm not going to say anymore about this, as I don't want to be accused of saying something that may or may not be incorrect, so to that end you will need to watch the video and listen carefully to what is said about it and then you are invited to say what you think about it." So are you going with A/ it is all down to the driver and his lack of knowledge? B/ it down to a software issue? C/ is it a duff battery? D/ the actual battery claim from BCA was flawed? Or E/ something else that I've not allowed for? Again as I said I'm not going with anything, as I have insufficient knowledge of electric cars, I'm leaving this open to the EV experts here. One thing I have taken away from this so far is, as I have always thought, that those who sail close to the wind on the range, some who often claim that they have actually gone into minus figures are playing with fire. It is a well known fact that these batteries once they reach a certain cell voltage lock themselves out of accepting a charge and will as you rightly said in the beginning, see if it charges DC, as many a Leaf needs that jolt to get it charging. This is a well-known trick with power tool batteries that have been allowed to drop too low: giving them a short, sharp shock with a DC voltage in excess of their normal voltage can initiate charging to begin again.

'Not sure why you keep quoting a 34 kWH battery; it was a 40 kWh battery,' he said. Anyway, I think your calculator needs replacing, as 92% of 34 kWh is 31.28 kWh, but more importantly, 92% of 40 is 36.8 kWh. Both figures are considerably more than your figure of 27.88 kWh. I also accept that the range is always based upon the driving style, etc. of the last journey, just as it is on any type of car. It has to be based on what is expected to be left in the tank/battery x the last average mpg/mkw that the car did. But surely there has to be something way out of whack when that 92% drops to just 1% after doing 35 miles? The car is now at a proper Nissan dealership, which has said that they think it has a software problem but that they will confirm what the actual issue is once they have a proper look at the car. He will update us all on that when he does the follow-up video in due course. The video I posted is only 2 days old, so I hope that he gets answers back within the next week and posts his update soon after. And he also said in his video that he has had in the past an electric Kia Soul and a Skoda Enyaq, and as he also said, he did exactly the same thing with both of those cars: drive from his unit to home and back again and then charge on the 3-pin granny lead at his unit. He also said that the Soul he drove had a range of less than 100 miles, which this video seems to back up, but he managed to make that trip perfectly OK without any drama. So let me get this straight in my mind, it seems to me that you are actually blaming the poor performance of his Leaf firmly on him and his lack of knowledge of how to drive an EV, is that correct? I'm sitting here; thinking there is an issue with the car itself, as it looks like it lost 60%+ of what it said it should do on the remaining energy in the battery. So let's wait for the update.

@Evolution13 He stated in the first few minutes of the video that it was the 40KW model. He also included the screenshot of the dash that BCA used to sell the car, it showed 92% charge and 121 miles of range left. This as he also said, was not his first EV so was not a noob and knew all about the regen and one pedal driving. Yes he could have tried out the DC and AC charging when he collected the car. That said though when buying an Ice car and the fuel gauge reads nearly full, what do you do? Start sucking fuel out to if it to see if it is fuel and of the correct type etc? No of course you don't, you take it as being correct don't you?

This chap has purchased a Nissan Leaf with an assured battery SOH report and warranty from BCA. However, all might not be as claimed; investigations are still ongoing on this car. So I'm posting this here for you people who have much more knowledge than me on EVs for your thoughts into what the issue with this car might be. I'm not going to say anymore about this, as I don't want to be accused of saying something that may or may not be incorrect, so to that end you will need to watch the video and listen carefully to what is said about it and then you are invited to say what you think about it. When the investigations are completed and the results are published, then we shall see whether BCA will stand by their warranty or not, and we should all find out just what the truth really is with this car. So go for it, knock yourselves out.

Yes, my gas and electric prices are reducing slightly (I'm already getting warnings about increases in July) that are in the pipeline, and like it or not, energy costs are linked to the international oil prices and are just a convenient way of profiteering, just as the energy companies did when the Russia/Ukraine war kicked off and we had all of these windfall taxes levied on the energy suppliers. There is absolutely no reason not to suspect that exactly the same situation is going to happen this time as well.

Your findings are at odds with almost everything else, where the cost of electricity is expected to rise by about 15% or more in July 2026, driven largely by the ongoing war in Iran. Donald Trump's US-Iran war has caused oil prices to surge. Will it make electricity more expensive, too? We're number one... in unaffordable electricity — Institute of Economic Affairs

I'm hearing that in July, the cost of power is going to be an extra £300 per household, a direct link back to the Iran war, so that is going to have a negative effect on the cost of EV charging, is it not?

I'm not convinced about these PCPs, etc., TBH. My son has this Audi A5 TDI on a PCP, which is also supposed to cover maintenance, tyres, etc. He has a fixed annual mileage allowance, and anything over that and the charge per mile goes ballistic, and there are so many things he has discovered that need correcting on the car that they just keep claiming are not part of the contract. He cannot actually afford to go out and enjoy the car, which was his dream car, because his daily commute uses almost all of his annual miles allowance, leaving him just enough to make 2 or 3 trips to Old Trafford for important home matches. He now wishes that he had followed my lead and stuck within his comfort zone and purchased a car that he could have paid for with cash, which he did with his previous car, a Ford Focus ST, and he could go out at weekends, enjoying the car without risking massive penalties at the end of the year. My dream car would be the VW Phaeton V6 TDI, which is essentially a Bentley Flying Spur with a different body shell and engine, and both were made in the all-glass showroom factory in Dresden.

Latest news is that both Rolls Royce and Bentley are backing away from going to be all-electric only by 2030 and both had a number of BEV's scheduled, and now they have all been cancelled, leaving only one new BEV model in the upcoming range; the rest will be pure ICE and hybrids. The reason given is that demand is not there and existing BEV models are not in demand by their customers.

It is not just the actual running costs per mile (even if it does go down to 1p a mile, it will not be that low for long, mark my words) it is the cost of replacing their existing car, the cost purchasing a charger and then its installation. Also, maybe the cost of upgrading their existing power supply and possibly their whole installation as a result. Then there the factoring in of depreciation and will the EV even be truely suitable for their needs. You also it seems keep assuming that anyone who currently has an ICE vehicle, also has the means of home charging, by that I mean off-road parking with access to suitable power, or the means of getting power across pavements etc, safely and legally. I mean, it was only last year that I sank £15k into the purchase of my Kodiaq TDI and there is no way that I would consider, or indeed could afford to purchase another car that was not fully financed by the sale of my current car at such short notice, my pension pot could not stand it. I think it is both financially better to retain the one I have for as long as I possibly can, and I feel that is also kinder to the planet as the only pollution it will now generate is when it is being driven and the amount will diminish even more if I don't drive it as much. It has had its biggest impact on the planet when it first produced and shipped to the UK. Also, considering that only 20% of the world's oil supply is shipped via the Strait of Hormuz, there is no real reason for the steep rise in oil prices (pure profiteering) and also the UAE is building not one but 2 pipelines to the port of Fujairah so their oil will not be passing through that pinch point, and will reduce that amount of oil to around 10% so decreasing the pressure on the price of oil. The first of those pipelines is due to open this month.

Then what is the point of entering your postcode if the quote that they give you is not the final figure? It is a complete waste of time doing so, and that quote is asking me to sign up at that price. TBH, I can't be arsed to faff about looking at the various scenarios of price for KWh as usage will vary day by day etc and I really cannot see just how those prices are not going to be affected by the rising cost of oil. Not only that, but I don't have solar panels that I'm in control of; yes, I have solar, but I don't own them or the power they generate, and also, seeing as I don't own my house, being an HA tenant, I seriously doubt that they would even allow me to install battery packs. Not too mention the sheer cost of purchasing them and the installation of them.

Well I just entered my postcode for the dual fuel option, high energy user which I am, and guess what? It came out at £198 per month, the same as I'm currently paying with OVO, so where is this cheap energy then?

Those that cannot take advantage of the Tesla power scheme, ie., those with no home charging ability, none of the other stuff either should not end up paying more for their power than they do now. City dwellers in high rise flats for example just couldn't comply.

Now this is going to be interesting to Tesla owners but it may come with some bells and whistles attached, which could potentially be beneficial to both Tesla and the owners. May be worth a watch?