Graham Butcher

Liquid fuel down these parts is seeing the prices at the pumps increasing, despite, as you say, the price for crude oil dropping. Fuel prices: CMA warns retailers' profit margins are 'persistently high' and competition is 'weak' | Business Live (20+) The Competition and Markets Authority has... - Lincolnshire Live | Facebook

Have just watched the third video in the trilogy and I have to say it is very interesting the different views and inputs each presenter brings to the challenge. Overall, I really enjoyed them all, and if you can actually put aside your disdain for them for their anti-EV stance, I think you will find them very entertaining and also eye-opening as well. If all EVs had the systems that the gen 2 Taycan has (without the massive price tag) then I can see that EV's are becoming more and more practical in each new model. Want to know more? You will have to watch the videos to find out more.

Is anyone watching the trilogy of YT films of the 3 wise men driving from Fingringhoe in Essex to Bethlehem in Wales as a ****-take of Top Gear's Christmas special? It's The McMaster, Geoff Buys Cars and Carnage. Watched 2 of the three so far and its good and is a real eye-opener as the EV comes good.

MacMaster? But he is not a what I call a proper automotive channel, more of an entertainment channel, Carnage and Geoff Buys cars are more of an automotive channel than he is.

You have a different remberance of events to me. I think it was happening in a lot of cases because they either could not find a suitable charger, or there were chargers but also had a queue for the more powerful ones because they were not as common then as they might be now, or as in the case of Car Wow tests and many other general automotive channels, that in many cases they were still being installed at various motorway services where they take all their cars along the same route inorder to give them a proper test in as near as possible identical conditions (regardless of whether they are ICE, PHEV, Hybrid or BEV) for comparison testing, (hills, road surfaces, speeds, distance, and time of day etc). By doing so they can get a good measure of how the various cars handle the conditions and how they rate for overall comfort and economy etc. Harry's Garage and Number 27 do just that as they get a feel for how each car drives and feels on the same stretch of road, to get a fair test of each car.

Many of the YouTubers have reporting similar events across the whole of the UK for some considerable time, as I have posted about before but so many piled scorn on the reports claiming there were no issues with the charging infrastructure at any time and with proper planning etc etc blah blah. Perhaps those people will believe it now you have reported it as well?

Hydrogen is even worse from a danger point of view than oil, but it was still a question not about the rights and wrongs of burning stuff but more about the current setup being so divisive, i.e., those who have and those who don't. It is also possibly true to say that electric cars are coming on in leaps and bounds and ICE not so much because the WHO and UN are telling the world's governments that electric is the way forward, and car manufacturers are therefore not going to continue research to really push ICE towards far lower emissions, as it is possibly not possible within the time frame imposed? I do however, believe that with the right incentive, they and scientists could come up with a filtration system that could filter out CO2 and turn it into a more inert or useful substance in the same way as they managed to effectively eradicate carbon monoxide as a harmful emission.

That is so wrong, pump prices are rising and fast, I'm paying almost 10p more a litre now than I was a month ago, despite crude oil being cheaper.

Thats why I said "imagine" and I also said in my original post "Yes, I know that would be ridiculous" but for argument's, sake lets assume that it was possible and that ICE cars were the new fangled cars that could be connected to the home power supply, and that BEVs were the old fossil-fuelled cars and that BEVs had to drive to a filling station in order to refuel and it was much more costly. BEV drivers had to continue with their cars because they didn't have the requirements at home to refuel, i.e., a drive or off street parking. Now do you understand the premise of my question, I do hope so because then some people might actually realise the disadvantages that many people actually have that prevents them from joining the party???

Just stop destroying forests and concreting the ground over, allow farmers to grow crops etc is a quicker way reduce C02 production and slow climate change and improve the GDP and economy at the same time, import less.

Yes, but that was not the question was it, I asked to imagine IF it was reversed and ICE could be filled at home at BEV couldn't, then it BEV drivers would be moaning, wouldn't it?

You are spot on, this thing alone creates a multilayered society. Could you imagine the reaction of everybody if the situation was reversed and it was the ICE owners who were able to fill up at home on fuel at rock-bottom prices? Yes, I know that would be ridiculous, but here is the rub, ICE drivers have to go to a filling station to refuel. Do you suppose that there would be so many BEV cars on the roads today if they also had to go to a public charger to charge their cars and pay a similar price to that of fossil fuels?

Some people really should not be allowed in the driving seat of a car, AUTO lights are only really designed to prevent the numpties from driving at night with no lights on. That said, of course, the manufacturers then go and give them the option of switching them off completely which negates the point of giving them the AUTO function in the first place??

Reading the report, it does rather look like the amount that road transport contributes has been significantly increased by the deregulation of buses, for instance. Since then, car ownership has increased massively, and anyone living in the rural areas now rely massively on their cars to survive.

@mac11irl the planet has a long history of climate changes; there is no denying that fact, but at the same time, if man goes round destroying all the natural CO2 sinks, such as rainforests, etc, which consume vast quantities of C02 and in return give us clean oxygen, then climate change will be accelerated. The recent COP conference decimated loads of forest real estate and for what? Nothing came out from the meeting and vast amounts of CO2 was dumped into the atmosphere needlessly.

Erm. Just where did I say or suggest that I don't accept that climate change is real? I said that maybe the linkage to tailpipe emissions might not be correct after all. Is everybody else in denial that there has been ongoing climate change throughout Earth's 4.5 billion years of history?

I said 'unconfirmed' because as of this minute I'm unable to quote reliable sources of this being the case. However, I have heard about it from many sources, and so I have adopted the stance that there's no smoke without fire. There is so many other bad events happening right now that are grabbing the mainstream media's attention. Also, to quote it right now might still be against the official narrative. Like the PPM and the LEZ's, it was mentioned first of all by the unofficial media, which we all now know to be true, and yet at the time, many dismissed them as conspiracy theories.

As yet unconfirmed, but multiple sources say that the EU have announced that the ban on all ICE cars has been lifted indefinitely, but CO2 has to be dropped by a greater margin, so it seems that the electric transition is going to be left to the market to decide which propulsion method will become the popular choice after all. But as I said, it is yet to be confirmed, and of course that would raise the question of will the UK also follow suit? My money is going on 'yes, we would'. If this is correct, I suspect that the real reason behind it is that climate change and the tailpipe emissions have been proven not to be linked after all.

Whatever it is, there are signs around that the electric bubble might be about to burst and destined to be come an option rather than the only option if a new car is purchased. If electric cars are seen as an absolute no brainier because they are better in every way, then the public will make the decision to switch, in the same way as they did from horses to cars. People will switch if they can see they are better, the carrot is always the way to go, far better than the stick.

While this is not strictly relevant to the topic, it is however, pretty relevant just the same. Kemi Badenoch: Tories to scrap petrol ban if they win next election - BBC News

While you may be right about the inflation, equally it's true that for most people their pay was either frozen, or any pay increase was kept extremely low, well below the actual inflation figure, which actually meant that they had a year-on-year pay cut and were effectively paying their bosses for the privilege of keeping their jobs and seeing their living standards fall every year. I remember during that period being on reduced salary but expected to work longer hours, while the factory workers were on a 4-day week. During that period my bosses purchased a million £+ mansion and grounds and also bought a new factory unit and went on extended expensive holiday cruises. Millions were on what is called zero-hour contracts and just 6 or so guaranteed hours-a-week contracts, such as Sports Direct: 90% of staff on zero-hour contracts | Frasers Group | The Guardian This was just one such business, and similar practices are still happening even today. I have 2 sons in their 40s working for the same company but in different sections of it and still on minimum wage and another son working in the retail sector, where many shops are operating something like 6- or 12-hour contracts and yet nothing seems to be done to ban such practices.

Hmm, I'm not so sure about that. I think you will find that ICE cars will be on sale at least up to 2040 now following reports that the EU are just about to announce this groundbreaking news. This will put immense pressure on the UK to follow suit as well. Net zero is beginning to look a bit dubious after all, fancy that. Many key players were absent from COP29, which failed to issue any new rules, and was also accused of being massively anti-green in itself. Remember when this is confirmed where you heard it first, right here. As to the VAG group's poor attempts at EVs, with ID3 and ID4 being the ones you mentioned, you are aware, I hope, that Ford's range of EVs are largely VAG products, I hope?

Yes but that is only part of it, they are not pushing EV mandate to remove NOX, it is only a tiny fraction of what it was in the 60s and 70s and is constantly going down all the time with new technology being built into ICE cars all the time. It is CO2 that is behind the EV drive and Net Zero. Also as has been pointed out already, not everyone is in your priveliged position, many can only afford bangers for transportation, so an ICE would be their car of choice.

All of that is true, but is still far less emissions than making a new car just to drive primarily a couple of miles a day to work. A EV has to do thousands of miles before it can claim that its clean.

Disagree, an old ICE car costing a couple of thousand or even less is ideal. Many people in such a situation just buy a £500 banger; as long as it has an MOT and is safe to drive, it is a far better cost option than getting a new car. As far pollution goes, it would again be creating less pollution to do that than it would be to purchase a new car for such a trivial distance; after all, the banger has had its manufacturing environmental impact already and would therefore be far greener to use than making a new car with its massive overheads and unless your daughter is going to be driving massive amounts each year, it is unlikely to ever get into the realms where its manufacturing footprint is wiped out.