Graham Butcher

@lol-lol is it really? I wonder if it is not a case of grabbing the current situation and using it to suit the narrative; after all, the powers that be are not going to look a gift horse in the mouth if they think that enough people would be swayed to buying a car to go towards their ideological dream. If Ed Miliband can possibly think that spending millions of UK taxpayers' money on solar panels and then installing them in the Congo where the sunshine is more predictable then here in the UK is a good idea, the claiming the Iran war is also a good idea.🫣 I'm really not convinced that electricity is going to be coming down, especially when the government have announced that help would be available to anyone is going to struggling with their energy bills after the July price hike, and unless I'm mistaken, they are referring to home energy bills, not automotive ones (i.e. those using dino juice for their cars)

The answer is that I never saw it and I was not implying that you did; I was saying that his logic seems OK based on his previous experience.

@Evolution13 I see. you are using the alleged battery SOH rather than the displayed SOC, makes some sense. But in reality if what you are saying is actually true about SOH, SOC, actual ambient temperature, estimation based on the days before, etc., etc., then all of what you are saying does kind of show that electric cars are not currently a suitable replacement for combustion ones because there are so many things that you need to bear in mind all the time and plan for before you can actually get in and drive them. Right, let's draw a line in the sand here, as the original aim of my post in the first place was to gain the benefit of the knowledge that you EV drivers have as to what the actual problem with this car was. Before we get the experts' opinion from the Nissan dealerships' engineers, we will see who was the nearest to the truth. This is the reason why I said, and I quote, "I'm not going to say anymore about this, as I don't want to be accused of saying something that may or may not be incorrect, so to that end you will need to watch the video and listen carefully to what is said about it and then you are invited to say what you think about it." So are you going with A/ it is all down to the driver and his lack of knowledge? B/ it down to a software issue? C/ is it a duff battery? D/ the actual battery claim from BCA was flawed? Or E/ something else that I've not allowed for? Again as I said I'm not going with anything, as I have insufficient knowledge of electric cars, I'm leaving this open to the EV experts here. One thing I have taken away from this so far is, as I have always thought, that those who sail close to the wind on the range, some who often claim that they have actually gone into minus figures are playing with fire. It is a well known fact that these batteries once they reach a certain cell voltage lock themselves out of accepting a charge and will as you rightly said in the beginning, see if it charges DC, as many a Leaf needs that jolt to get it charging. This is a well-known trick with power tool batteries that have been allowed to drop too low: giving them a short, sharp shock with a DC voltage in excess of their normal voltage can initiate charging to begin again.

'Not sure why you keep quoting a 34 kWH battery; it was a 40 kWh battery,' he said. Anyway, I think your calculator needs replacing, as 92% of 34 kWh is 31.28 kWh, but more importantly, 92% of 40 is 36.8 kWh. Both figures are considerably more than your figure of 27.88 kWh. I also accept that the range is always based upon the driving style, etc. of the last journey, just as it is on any type of car. It has to be based on what is expected to be left in the tank/battery x the last average mpg/mkw that the car did. But surely there has to be something way out of whack when that 92% drops to just 1% after doing 35 miles? The car is now at a proper Nissan dealership, which has said that they think it has a software problem but that they will confirm what the actual issue is once they have a proper look at the car. He will update us all on that when he does the follow-up video in due course. The video I posted is only 2 days old, so I hope that he gets answers back within the next week and posts his update soon after. And he also said in his video that he has had in the past an electric Kia Soul and a Skoda Enyaq, and as he also said, he did exactly the same thing with both of those cars: drive from his unit to home and back again and then charge on the 3-pin granny lead at his unit. He also said that the Soul he drove had a range of less than 100 miles, which this video seems to back up, but he managed to make that trip perfectly OK without any drama. So let me get this straight in my mind, it seems to me that you are actually blaming the poor performance of his Leaf firmly on him and his lack of knowledge of how to drive an EV, is that correct? I'm sitting here; thinking there is an issue with the car itself, as it looks like it lost 60%+ of what it said it should do on the remaining energy in the battery. So let's wait for the update.

@Evolution13 He stated in the first few minutes of the video that it was the 40KW model. He also included the screenshot of the dash that BCA used to sell the car, it showed 92% charge and 121 miles of range left. This as he also said, was not his first EV so was not a noob and knew all about the regen and one pedal driving. Yes he could have tried out the DC and AC charging when he collected the car. That said though when buying an Ice car and the fuel gauge reads nearly full, what do you do? Start sucking fuel out to if it to see if it is fuel and of the correct type etc? No of course you don't, you take it as being correct don't you?

This chap has purchased a Nissan Leaf with an assured battery SOH report and warranty from BCA. However, all might not be as claimed; investigations are still ongoing on this car. So I'm posting this here for you people who have much more knowledge than me on EVs for your thoughts into what the issue with this car might be. I'm not going to say anymore about this, as I don't want to be accused of saying something that may or may not be incorrect, so to that end you will need to watch the video and listen carefully to what is said about it and then you are invited to say what you think about it. When the investigations are completed and the results are published, then we shall see whether BCA will stand by their warranty or not, and we should all find out just what the truth really is with this car. So go for it, knock yourselves out.

Yes, my gas and electric prices are reducing slightly (I'm already getting warnings about increases in July) that are in the pipeline, and like it or not, energy costs are linked to the international oil prices and are just a convenient way of profiteering, just as the energy companies did when the Russia/Ukraine war kicked off and we had all of these windfall taxes levied on the energy suppliers. There is absolutely no reason not to suspect that exactly the same situation is going to happen this time as well.

Your findings are at odds with almost everything else, where the cost of electricity is expected to rise by about 15% or more in July 2026, driven largely by the ongoing war in Iran. Donald Trump's US-Iran war has caused oil prices to surge. Will it make electricity more expensive, too? We're number one... in unaffordable electricity — Institute of Economic Affairs

I'm hearing that in July, the cost of power is going to be an extra £300 per household, a direct link back to the Iran war, so that is going to have a negative effect on the cost of EV charging, is it not?

I'm not convinced about these PCPs, etc., TBH. My son has this Audi A5 TDI on a PCP, which is also supposed to cover maintenance, tyres, etc. He has a fixed annual mileage allowance, and anything over that and the charge per mile goes ballistic, and there are so many things he has discovered that need correcting on the car that they just keep claiming are not part of the contract. He cannot actually afford to go out and enjoy the car, which was his dream car, because his daily commute uses almost all of his annual miles allowance, leaving him just enough to make 2 or 3 trips to Old Trafford for important home matches. He now wishes that he had followed my lead and stuck within his comfort zone and purchased a car that he could have paid for with cash, which he did with his previous car, a Ford Focus ST, and he could go out at weekends, enjoying the car without risking massive penalties at the end of the year. My dream car would be the VW Phaeton V6 TDI, which is essentially a Bentley Flying Spur with a different body shell and engine, and both were made in the all-glass showroom factory in Dresden.

Latest news is that both Rolls Royce and Bentley are backing away from going to be all-electric only by 2030 and both had a number of BEV's scheduled, and now they have all been cancelled, leaving only one new BEV model in the upcoming range; the rest will be pure ICE and hybrids. The reason given is that demand is not there and existing BEV models are not in demand by their customers.

It is not just the actual running costs per mile (even if it does go down to 1p a mile, it will not be that low for long, mark my words) it is the cost of replacing their existing car, the cost purchasing a charger and then its installation. Also, maybe the cost of upgrading their existing power supply and possibly their whole installation as a result. Then there the factoring in of depreciation and will the EV even be truely suitable for their needs. You also it seems keep assuming that anyone who currently has an ICE vehicle, also has the means of home charging, by that I mean off-road parking with access to suitable power, or the means of getting power across pavements etc, safely and legally. I mean, it was only last year that I sank £15k into the purchase of my Kodiaq TDI and there is no way that I would consider, or indeed could afford to purchase another car that was not fully financed by the sale of my current car at such short notice, my pension pot could not stand it. I think it is both financially better to retain the one I have for as long as I possibly can, and I feel that is also kinder to the planet as the only pollution it will now generate is when it is being driven and the amount will diminish even more if I don't drive it as much. It has had its biggest impact on the planet when it first produced and shipped to the UK. Also, considering that only 20% of the world's oil supply is shipped via the Strait of Hormuz, there is no real reason for the steep rise in oil prices (pure profiteering) and also the UAE is building not one but 2 pipelines to the port of Fujairah so their oil will not be passing through that pinch point, and will reduce that amount of oil to around 10% so decreasing the pressure on the price of oil. The first of those pipelines is due to open this month.

Then what is the point of entering your postcode if the quote that they give you is not the final figure? It is a complete waste of time doing so, and that quote is asking me to sign up at that price. TBH, I can't be arsed to faff about looking at the various scenarios of price for KWh as usage will vary day by day etc and I really cannot see just how those prices are not going to be affected by the rising cost of oil. Not only that, but I don't have solar panels that I'm in control of; yes, I have solar, but I don't own them or the power they generate, and also, seeing as I don't own my house, being an HA tenant, I seriously doubt that they would even allow me to install battery packs. Not too mention the sheer cost of purchasing them and the installation of them.

Well I just entered my postcode for the dual fuel option, high energy user which I am, and guess what? It came out at £198 per month, the same as I'm currently paying with OVO, so where is this cheap energy then?

Those that cannot take advantage of the Tesla power scheme, ie., those with no home charging ability, none of the other stuff either should not end up paying more for their power than they do now. City dwellers in high rise flats for example just couldn't comply.

Now this is going to be interesting to Tesla owners but it may come with some bells and whistles attached, which could potentially be beneficial to both Tesla and the owners. May be worth a watch?

My comment was referring to a discussion I was having about Evri using self employed agents and their own cars etc and were not EV vans in my area. Turns out I was wrong and hence my comment in the post above.🙄

Wow, today I have actually seen a 100% electric delivery van being operated by Evri in the city centre, so are they using those for business deliveries and deliveries to domestic customers being done by self-employed agents, I wonder?

Why confused? Have I not always said that it is wrong to bring in a ban on new ICE cars, before the proposed replacement has fully demonstrated that it is fully capable of being a direct replacement in terms of its abilities and capabilities and is something that does not penalise those in society who are for various reasons less able to adopt them? Imagine, if you will, a situation where you were being told that from a certain date that all your heating and cooking could no longer be done with gas, oil or electric and had to be done by burning wood. Now I don't know about you but I would be screwed, my house has never had a fireplace, so has no chimney either, just like those in high-rise flats etc. On the other hand many living in rural areas might already have these and able to collect wood from local forests, etc. and cut fallen branches into logs etc, in fact there is one such person on this forum who, upto recently, was doing that at least in part. How do you think that would be accepted by the public? At least the person who I'm thinking of can now enjoy the all the benefits that you and I have taken for granted for years now. PS. I have gone back to look at just what made you think you might be blocked, and I can see that when I was replying to @Evolution13 I missed out the word "not" which altered the perceived message I was conveying, it also serves to highlight what I said to @Evolution13 about how a message can be read and yet completely misread and wrong conclusions formed from it.

@lol-lol of course you're not on my blocked list, how could you be when we have had so many discussions together? We don't always agree with each other but we have never really argued or been disrespectful either. We all have views and opinions. So what on earth makes you think you're on my blocked list? The people who are on my blocked list could well be posting everyday here and I would not know anything about it, because I cannot see their posts, that is how it works. People should have the car that suits their requirements you have yours and I have what currently suits mine.

Some people make a habit of adding substantial chunks of added information to their posts after they have been posted for a while, altering the overall post's meaning in the process. But how can anyone be 100% sure that they are reading a post exactly as the poster actually meant it to be read? A missing word, punctuation or writing in the local dialect can make all the difference in how a post is conceived?

I seriously doubt that; let's play devil's advocate for a minute, so it seems that you are blaming me. You are also publicly saying that they chose not to participate because they could not exercise any form of self-censorship; the simplest one of all is to scroll past a post that they don't want to read, etc., or to do what I have done and block certain people so they don't ever have to see what the blocked person posts. Is that what you are really saying? Ever thought that the reverse could be true, that they may have had negative experiences, etc., and/or other issues make them suspect the future may not be electric after all.

No it's @lol-lol either, these people I have on block, and I don't do that lightly.

Oh come on, you know that there are some (not you, I hasten to add) who cannot accept anything negative said about an EV, regardless of who said it or the context in which it was said. Those who constantly demonise the dino juice and cannot see any reason for everyone not grasping the EV era, even though they cannot even begin to think about charging from home even with a granny cable. Those in high-rise flats, for example, are you really telling me that you cannot recall those and similar discussions, which also annoyed you just as much as they did me?

That Vauxhall Viva is still perfectly good today, and if it has been maintained, it is still perfectly drivable. Their was no real tech on those cars, they were about as basic as you could get. Seriously, with todays tech in modern cars, I doubt they would able to do the same in 20 years time. I mean, they can't even build a TV set that lasts longer than a few years. Smartphones and tablets that once the OS is no longer supported, slowly becomes a brick as stored apps cease operating because they need newer OS and apps need to be updated.