Graham Butcher

That remains to be seen, if it is more expensive, I won't be surprised. Most manufacturers never release things at the planned/promised prices.

Listening to that horrible whine would drive me nuts, I'm sure, and yes, I'm talking about the car here.

@J.R.Buying a Betamax was also one of my mistakes, on paper it looked like a clear winner, but history proved otherwise 😁 I wonder if there are any working examples of the Philips 2000 laser disc players around.

Still not getting the electric connection though, as to the rest of it, I agree with you, even though he has more than enough money of his own. Oh and I did say that they are NOT on public duties, they are as you say, on wee jollies,

@RootedI'm not denying that aspect, just the electric bit being their choice. When on their wee jollies, they are not on public duties and may or may not travel in electric Audi's.

@RootedAs regards to the Royals, I think you will find that the cars used in those videos and those used for all official duties are in fact provided by the government and not their own personal choice of transport. These are operated by the royal section of the Police force, therefore of course the government are going to want the King and other members of the family on public duty to be seen in electric cars to reinforce their greenwashing statements and actions.

Here is that link you mentioned, nailed it he did. ‘Electric cars could end up like Betamax’ | Auto Express

That does not always happen, and if it does, then yes the fire will still spread just the same, but the big difference here that the liquid fuel burns far cooler than a traction battery.

Different probability granted, but severity is far greater, it is far hotter and more likely to spread quicker and is also more than hot enough to melt / burn steel and because it actually generates its own oxygen, even submerging in water can't stop it, neither does CO2 , the best we can currently do is to try and contain it and clear the surrounding area of any combustible material.

I think I've already posted that before IIRC.

Yes I think you're right about Alley Pally, Crystal Palace was also a transmitter location for TV. Yes Westminster Abbey is an important building, and yet given how many ICE vehicles catch fire, I believe they are not banned. If so it must be because they don't burn as fiercely or give off loads highly toxic gases and can also be quickly put out.

@wyx087I agree with a lot of what you say but in order not to prolong this topic again, I'll leave you with this thought, would you expect the ban on LEV being published publicly when they are pushing the electric agenda so hard on the public? Would it not be seen as yet another party gate, 1 rule for them and another for everyone else? If there was no risk factor, why do you think Westminster Abbey has them banned?

That may the case in Scotland, I said and the video presenter said Westminster buildings.

Exactly, I see the same thing and sometimes the car parked next to the property doesn't move for a couple of days and so is getting colder but often seems less icy than the one parked on the road which has been driven during the day. Grass lawns also reflect this pattern, the closer to the footpath, the more dense the frost seems to be.

There is some merit in what you say, however, it might not be wind chill factor so but more of a radiated heat from the house factor?

That was also my initial thoughts, but I don't fully understand the scheme or see what the point of it all is. I have this little niggling voice in my head telling me that it is all a part of a bigger scam lead by big energy/corporations who have been lobbying governments to push the go electric theme and to stop burning all fossil fuels and the carbon angle just seems like a convenient lever to pull towards the goal. The goal might be more financial focused than we would like to admit, after all if they get us all into electric cars, ban gas and coal from being burnt, diesel and petrol are already on the skids, so what is left (currently) is electric, upon which we would be wholly dependant and then with the power generation being in private hands, the prices are free to rise, and we are all stuffed as there is no alternative. Also, a foreign power can also bring another country to its knees quickly, think about the Russian v Ukraine conflict, if both countries only had electric for power for everything, then the first to knock out all generation capability would be the victor. Now that might just be a conspiracy theory and require the wearing of a tin foil hat, but if it wasn't.🤔

@lol-lolThank you watching the video and your detailed anaylisis of the content, it was carbon credits where the meat was. The first part that you originally watched has been done to death, but the thumbnail kind of, to me at least, gave a clue that there was much more to this then the charging, especially as it has always been portrayed as the US had far superior charging network and it seems a lot more homes with drives.

Yeah tell me about it, primes are really expensive. My son is also into photography and he has a Canon 300 L series, the beige pro lense and we use them for shooting aircraft and cars.

I thought it looked like a Sigma, I hope its not as soft as the one I have. I have the 18 - 250mm telephoto and the 250 is more like a 200, I quickly replaced it with a Canon 70 - 300 lense, far better IMHO.

Much as I dislike silver or grey cars, I have to admit that quicksilver on the Tesla looks great, I think it suits the curvy shell.

Err, no, not as far as I know its not? I thought that Musk was a Trump champion and Biden does not like Musk?? Have you watched the video, or is that still a no? My understanding of the video was that it was all about the massive corruption going on with Carbon Credits, and that is nothing to do with charging methods/patterns/networks, has it?

No I'm not, I was serious, I did have things to do and what is the point of explaining anything if you have already decided that the rest of the video is rubbish. Remember they are talking about the US and you're already drawing parallels with the UK and how people are charging their cars, when in truth, that has almost nothing to do with what the video is about, it is about government and manufacturers corruption and how the consumer ultimately pays the price. Having blinkers on is no way to learn.

Talking about the figures and comments that must people seem to rely on as being factual, it is always useful and far more meaningful to try to establish an idea on the size of the consultation sample that these so-called journalists and politicians are using as facts, in other words fact check them as this YouTuber did. I already what some think of this particular person, but please bear with it and watch his videos, the first of which where he calls BS on the newspaper article and the 2nd where he digs into it and challenges the journalist to provide the evidence, which he does, and it just proves the article is pure BS and yet the government have been using these publications to spread BS for years, and by way of proof, look at the massive job losses in Tata Steel being announced, and yet they were all claiming the only way to save our steel works was leave the EU, which we did, but it didn't save our steel. Anybody telling the truth, were almost smothered by the constant wave of BS being published. All the supporting documents are also presented below (these have already been posted on the forum in a different section, but I present them again here, making no apology, as this time, I'm using them as an example of the need to look beyond the headlines etc and do some fact checking before coming to a decision. Motorists DESPERATE for PAY PER MILE say Newspaper. BALLS! Says Geoff. (youtube.com) (78) Angry Motorists want Road Charging. WE GOT A REPLY! - YouTube https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/... https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/... https://bettertransport.org.uk/wp-con... https://committees.parliament.uk/work... https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/defau... https://committees.parliament.uk/work... https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/...

@lol-lolOh dear, once again preconception strikes.I would not post such a video if it was all about mpg or m/kwh and the costs, because she was not talking about the UK so not even compatible and as you say, anyone with a brain can work that out charging at home is if you can do it, a no-brainer, hell, if I could sensibly charge at home and my car usage was compatible, even I'd be looking at an EV and doing it myself. Never mind, I can't be bothered with it now, I have other things to get on with now.

Can I ask if you actually watched the video or are just guessing at its content?