Graham Butcher

In order to obtain the 1,500 miles you would need to be able to expose the car to direct sunshine for the maximum number of hours in a day and do your driving after sunset, avoid your car being subjected to shade and or dull overcast days, they say quote "With the Fisker Ocean’s revolutionary full-length SolarSky roof, you can harvest the sun’s rays to generate free energy to support the vehicle’s battery-powered motor. When fully exposed to the sun, the Fisker Ocean Extreme’s SolarSky can produce up to 1,500 clean, emissions-free miles per year, and under ideal conditions may increase to beyond 2000 miles³ – all powered by pure sunshine."

@wyx087I think your analogy with the solar panel on the roof of the Ocean is about right provided it never sees shade from buildings, trees and other vehicles and we have wall-to-wall sunshine, that's just the type of weather we have isn't it 😊 I'm not disputing any of what you are saying regarding here being cheaper deals but Harry wanted a Range Rover Sport and gave his own personal findings of 2 Range Rover Sports, 1 being a PHEV, the other a diesel, consider the following:- PHEV list price of £95,000 total lease price of £56,922 over 3 years. Diesel list price £85,000 total lease prices of £41,600 over 3 years. Meaning there is a premium of £15,322 over that period to have a PHEV. Also bear in mind that he is a private buyer, so has no access to a salary sacrifice scheme, he has done his sums and decided that the premium is just not viable for him. Where is the advantage for Harry in spending an extra £15,322 when the creature comforts and space, and style of car that he wants can be had for that much less and fits his family needs. Other people might well be buying PHEVs while Harry is buying his diesel (mild hybrid) but that is his choice, just as you chose to have a Telsa Model Y when you could also have chosen other more competitive offerings from other makers. When I had a company car, I elected to opt for a L&K Superb 170hp diesel DSG car that was actually cheaper to lease, even though the cars value with all the extra options and being the top of the range model was way higher than the car that all of my colleagues chose. They chose the Audi A4 SE which had smaller less powerful engines and manual gearbox but otherwise the same underpinnings and smaller body and their lease price was considerably higher than mine, and they paid more BIK tax as a result and had less creature comforts, but had the badge snobbery factor of the Audi over the Skoda, big deal.

I'm not sure if that is a reply to my comment about the solar panel built into the roof of the Fisker Ocean or not, if it is, I still stand by what I said about it claiming it could produce upto 1,500 free miles a year, we don't get that much sun, were as the same car in say California, then I'd say it might be possible as the sun shines a lot more there, the operative word is could.

An interesting thing with the Ocean is that it comes or can be had with a solar roof panel which could produce upto 1,500 free miles with the right exposure to sunlight, I guess that's not going to happen in the UK then.😁

I was not saying it was a limousine, but that it has rear legroom like that found in a limousine.

I was comparing the weight of the Superb to that of the Tesla, because it has been claimed that EVs are heavier then a ICE car of similar size. My illustration showed that EV cars are actually heavier than bigger ICE cars. While I agree there are more affordable EVs coming, Harry was not looking for any of them, only a PHEV RR and the point was that while PHEV RR sport cost 95k, the diesel version was 85k but was almost 50% of the monthly leasing cost. So how are people going to switch to PHEV version to help decarbonising the world when they are paying almost double the cost. This is what Harry was talking about in his video.

@RootedI agree, he knows what suits him, and that was my point as well, seeing as we were discussing Harry's video and he was actually thinking about replacing his current diesel RR with PHEV one listed at £115,585, with a deposit of £20,000 on a 3 year lease 10,000 miles / year comes out to a staggering £1382.71 a month. He then looked at slightly more affordable PHEV RR, listed at £95,005, same deposit and lease terms but payments still came to £1025.63 each month but the diesel RR sport, comes out £85,647 list price, same lease terms again but monthly costs of just £600, and that is the one he ended up with, and that was the point that Harry was making. And as we were discussing that particular video it is only fair is it not to, to not move the goal posts like @wyx087did in his post while claiming that Harry clearly hasn't seen the latest deals. Harry was not looking at lower class of cars, and hence me pointing it out.

But he was actually looking at a Range Rover and in fact went back to a diesel RR, none of these cars are anywhere near that class of car, so once again you're not comparing like for like. Its a bit like comparing your Telsa with a Nissan Leaf.🤔

To answer your questions I give you: Is it an AWD - No How much did the 2016 Superb cost, and is it Euro 5 or Euro 6? - Price, no idea, it is however Euro 6 Would anyone run one in UK cities as a VIP / Airport transporter? - Yes and they are doing so. This is another reason for wanting to get a mk3 model because of the introduction of the London ULEZ zones. I can currently drive this car anywhere in the UK except for the Zero Emission zone in Oxford.

As to if the Nitrogen would extinguish a EV battery fire, I don't for sure, but I doubt it in the same way as CO2 can't manage it either because the batteries, once they are in thermal runaway status will produce their own oxygen. It might however reduce the severity of a fire, as there might not be enough oxygen to support the rest of the burning. That said of course, the CO2 systems onboard the car carrying ships failed to do that, so a good chance nitrogen will be the same result?

You know what, I would not be surprised if it came down to almost that over the years. I'm talking about the travelling to and from such shows as there will still be a requirement for such planes etc but I think that such events will be strictly controlled and filmed live and streamed via internet to spectators on pay per view basis just to reduce the carbon footprints of these events.

Very interesting but they are rich peoples play things and are the type of cars that I think should be banned on the roads as nobody needs that kind of power and just imagine how high their emissions are.

The specs you show for my car are incorrect, I have the 2016 150hp 6speed DSG so the actual weight is less than the 2024 model.

I was quoting you the degradation figures as printed in the Bjorn Nyland spreadsheet for the 8-year-old Nissan Leaf, and nowhere did I mention any of this BS about heat pumps etc, that's another separate issue and is a can of worms that is not relevant in the context that Harry was talking about. If the Jag had heat pump technology, I'm pretty certain that he would have known that as he was one of the first to install heat pumps in his house, as mentioned in the video, so I would have expected him to factor that into the equation when discussing the range drop etc. When it comes to the actual wheelbase, it has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of interior space, that is down to how clever the designers of the interior are and it is a fact that the Superb has limousine amounts of legroom, like that of a Mercedes Benz S class. As to my statement about the Superb being a large car against the smallest Tesla which is a model 3, I was, and you must have understood the direction I was coming from as the paragraph was all about the respective weights of both cars and the Tesla here is the porky one, and I said that there does indeed seem to be some substance that EVs are heavier, based on the examples I gave of a large car with large interior space (Superb), being some around 370kg lighter than a Tesla Model 3 which is shorter. In short then the smaller car, Telsa is actually heavier, especially when the owner's manual for the Superb also states that the weight of the car includes all the standard fitments to the car including all the required tools like jacks etc, plus the 70kg and a 90% full tank of fuel and it still beats the Tesla by 370kg, which may not include the weight of the driver in its figures. I'm sorry that you don't seem able to accept that the Tesla in this instance has not trumped a Skoda Superb, and I'd like to make it perfectly clear here and now that I never set out to make any such claims, my posts have been and are all about everyday practicalities. And yes, before you go on the ability to preheat/cool your car from some phone app or something and its near silence etc when being driven, yes I'm very envious of those features but they are extra luxury items and not basic things that all cars need to have to get from A to B.

OK, I accept that charging at home can be for the right type of usage a game changer, but you actually heard Harry state that he has massive solar capacity both on his farmhouse and his garage and that was OK for some journeys and his cars are always garaged overnight so they are never as cold as ones parked outside and I'm pretty sure his garage is also heated so that's an added bonus, and yet he has still noticed a massive drop in range and disparity between home charging and the cost of public chargers was another significant factor in his decision to go back to pure diesel powered car again, and also the monthly payments were 50% of those for the equivalent EV, all coupled with degradation factor and he showed the results of the other YTuber Bjorn Nyland who tests EV cars to the limits and documents loads of details in a spreadsheet such as weight, degradation, range, speed etc etc.Link to this spreadsheet is here TB test results - Google Sheets The most startling on degradation is a 8 year old Nissan Leaf which has lost 70% of its range. Also I discovered that model 3 Tesla weighs in at staggering 1940kg, thats 1.9 ton My diesel DSG Superb is only 1570 (1.5 ton) and that includes a 70kG driver, fuel tank filled to a minimum of 90% and with all the other fluids and all the tool kit etc as well, and the Superb is no small car, whereas the model 3 is the smallest car from Telsa. So it would seem that there is a lot of truth when people have been claiming EV's are heavier than their equivalent ICE powered car.

@wyx087Don't forget that the cold weather aspect was something that Harry said he had experienced himself personally with his Jaguar Ipace and I have seen others report this with other cars as well, so the fact that you can dismiss this, might just be down to the fact that you drive a Telsa?

That was what I thought but when @Crashersaid that they had changed to using ground temps, I thought that he knew that to be true?

I can't see any reference to them quoting air temps on the screens you posted, just wind chill? Speaking of Thunder Snow, I see that they are forecasting a chance of you getting upto 10 inches of the white stuff.

Good point, if the ground temps are lower than air temps, then with the BBC being the government mouthpiece, I'd have thought that they would have been using the air temp as it is higher and actually would be backing the claim that global warming is a real thing and would help the adoption of EV cars more?

Thank you, Harry, you have echoed the issues I have uncovered, some of these I have mentioned already here, others I decided not to because there are always some who it seems are not willing to accept any negative comments towards EV cars. They associate my genuine concerns as being totally against EV's which is a million miles away from the truth, it is still, as Harry pointed out, new tech and we still have much more to do and learn about EVs.

TfL said it was "disappointed" with the ASA's ruling, adding how scientific analysis based on modelled scenarios and estimates was "standard practice" in the scientific community and central government. Translated means, if that is true then any claims made by the Government in support of its radical policies, really cannot be trusted to be anywhere near factual. Figures it seems can be plugged out of thin air, and we are supposed to swallow them hook line and sinker and not to challenge them. Now I wonder why after 14 years of austerity, designed to put the country back on its feet again after the famous note left by the outgoing Government saying "There is no money" and yet there is still no money and the country is in a even worse state than it was 14 years ago.😒

Well, it seems that the ULEZ adverts have deemed as misleading on at least 3 adverts by the Advertising Standards Agency (ASA) as the Brown Car Guy reports here. The claim that since it has been introduced, the level of NOX has been reduced by 46%. It transpires, as I have always suspected, that these claims are not actual scientifical tested and proven but instead are calculated, WTF. If this was factual, then why has there not been a scientific study and the report published? Because it is not the truth, that is why. This is the report from ASA Greater London Authority - ASA | CAP

@lol-lolThe same kind of things are rumoured to have been said by the top brass of GM, Ford and others, though. But as always, are they true, because while they all appear to be claim that EVs are the cause and yet I seem to recall reports that all of them are still planning releasing new EV models. So one statement seems to contradict the other??

Agreed, but the problem is however, just how reliable are these reports, are they just clickbait, as Ford and others like BMW are all supposed to pull the plug on EV's and reverting back ICE, then there comes reports of both announcing new EV models so what is the real truth?

How to attract tourism, the French way, lesson 101 tax the hell out of them if they dare to drive to Paris 🙄 The fact residents can still keep their SUV's is just the thin end of the wedge. Not only Arrival, but Polestar is now being ditched by Volvo so they will now become wholly owned by the Chinese group Geely.