Graham Butcher

For that matter, maybe they could enlist assistance from Imperial College school of mines, London. IIRC, the minerals and the lithium was deemed to be not commercially viable to extract as the quantity is not large enough and it is difficult to get at.

Once again, you seem to have deliberately misinterpreted in order to make a point that was not relevant, it is not the car makers who are pushing the electric agenda. Most of the car makers are only too happy to continue making ICE cars, something that they have many years of experience of doing just that, no need for expensive tooling up for new technologies.

One wonders just would what would have been the result in you never had enough left to cover the subsequent £45 charges after the first one?

That is part of the problem, so many people have already formed closed minds and as such anyone who has a different opinion must be on the losers side of the debate, because we are not following the current authority lead narrative. I've always stated that I have an open mind, and I don't just take what the authorities tell us as being 100% factual, as many of us have already witnessed some massive climb downs and reversals. When I was going to college learning my craft, I was inspired by a number of the professors there who used to say "as you gradually learn something, that's when you also realise just how little you do know" and also "Never accept that something your told by authoritative figures as being 100% factual, because if that were true then there is no room for new discoveries". I was taught that if you do X and the result is Y, that is just the start for the inquisitive, and is a point where most people will stop at, but the inquisitive will ask, why does that result happen, what if I did Z, what is the outcome then and why is that different, this how great discoveries are made, but also not all discoveries are great, is the Nuclear bomb a great discovery, when it has the potential to wipe out life on earth?? We should all have inquisitive minds and question things, not just accept what we are told.

Absolutely right, in that case, they are being penalised for not being in the right wealth bracket and location of the country to be able to afford off street parking/driveway etc so once again it would be case of the upper and middle classes who stand to benefit the most from running an electric on terms of pure running costs alone. Ignore the alleged environmental benefits of such, as they have not been proven beyond any doubt, it is way too early for that. Yes it is true that at the actual point of them being used, the environment will benefit. But what about the sheer devastation and the high toxicity of the environment at the locations where the raw minerals etc are actually mined and the health effects on those doing the hard graft mining them? There is a cost to be paid there in the future for sure, which may be worse then the damage done by fossil fuels, only time will actually prove which side was most correct. Future generations could either praise or curse us once the real truth is known.

@Ootohere That is the problem, regardless where in the world the oil reserves or any other commodity is discovered, it does little to help the natives closest to the discovery, other then maybe create new jobs for the locals, is that the price of that commodity is always going to be directly linked to the global price for that commodity per unit of whatever it is measured in?

Likewise, basing things on the CO2 emissions is a joke, the actual amount produced by cars is minute when compared to the natural production of it via all the natural things that have been happening for centuries without any influence from man kind. If we think about it, CO2 is a vital gas for plant growth, and yes, the population of the planet is growing but equally so to is the amount of food that needs to be grown to produce the food. so as the population grows, the CO2 grows, but the plants being grown also consume that gas in ever increasing volumes. It does not help when huge forests get chopped down without new ones being developed to replace them. Wild fires that are created by irresponsible people having a BBQ etc in the wrong location, or even as has been proven in many cases, started deliberately. Also, I expect that many of those who are shouting the loudest about all polluting ICE cars that are polluting the air that we all beath etc, are also possibly the largest proportion of those that are jetting of to overseas holidays, annually and more frequently even, or taking sea cruises etc. Personally, I cannot afford to do such things so the miles that I drive year in my lower than average emission car is not making that much CO2 when compared to a overseas flight or cruise, especially when, many of those doing so, will continue to add salt to the wound by either having a place where they are going to, with a car or cars, or will be hiring one when they arrive, which may not be an electric one even. I have friends who holiday in the states and will always hire out a thumping great 5 litre V8 Ford Mustang and drive the route 66.😮

That is why many people are advocating the dropping of enforcing all "new" cars will be electric by 2030 and allowing people the free choice, so that they can purchase the right car for them and their own circumstances, rather than 1 size fits all.

@PetrolDave This is so true, and you only have to look at the structures of any government these days, they are all made from largely career politicians with no actual skills in any other walk of life. Relying on guidance from other "experts" who are in the employ of someone with a vested interest in a particular outcome.

And there we have it, of course no governments/politicians would ever dream of distorting the figures, or of actually listening to the lobby groups with the biggest financial clout, would they, no its totally unheard off...................

Do you really, in your heart, believe all that guff? Are you that gullible? I expect that if the governments said that the moon was really made from cheese, and that there really was a London bus or two on it that you would fall for that lie too?

Which is one reason why these independent vloggers are so important in the grand scheme of things, as these are people who can and will expose these events for the benefit of those that are not aware of them. The companies themselves, as we have all witnessed at some point in our lives, will attempt to bury these bad events and silence anyone who dares to speak out about it until such times as the authorities get to find out and demand a recall is carried out.

More bad news, and this is from a pro EV person / vlogger.

Nobody is claiming, least of all him, that he is doing so. All he is doing is precisely what you and others do when you come across some news, be it from personal first hand experience or what ever, passing it on for the benefit of others to make what they want to make from it. The only differences being that many of the items he reports on are not being covered by our media, either online or in the printed word, and that he has chosen to make a living from it.

Why are you so hard on people for exposing things when they are going so badly wrong? I just don't get where you are coming from at times. You can be as harsh as you like when it comes to criticizing certain electric vehicles, or EV infrastructure such as charging hubs and the companies that run them and also comment on some ICE vehicles, as if it is essential to either be the owner or regular driver of an EV to be able to comment or even as in this case, report on them. It is not a requirement to be either in order to see something that is so clearly not working as it should be. What is it with him and his reports that you are opposed to, do you think he is making all of it up just for clicks? Does he not always have the supporting documentation that he presents and reads from, or is that also faked? Do you actually for a fact know that what he is saying is not true? All that massive amount of public money being wasted, with about 50% of the buses not being in a usable state because they are always in a state needing repairs, when their diesel counterparts are usable? I never notice you holding back when it comes to being critical of anything that the UK government that in your opinion is wasteful, particularly if it involves Scotland in some way or other?

Well, it would seem that electric school buses do not share the alleged, legendry EV reliability needing far less servicing etc.

Geez, this driver was extremely unlucky, but just goes to show how much of a risk you take being one of the first few owners of these new cars being imported into the UK.

Keeping on topic, I believe that all EV chargers are online only and the point I made was that when they go wrong, they have the potential to leave one stranded, maybe in the middle of nowhere in unknown territory in the middle of night, which can be bad, but even worse if you're a woman travelling alone. Yes there are some dyno juice pumps that are unmanned, that said, all the ones that I have encountered and also used successfully, all tend to be at filling stations like Asda and and by their very nature are in built up areas, usually fairly busy and also there are other manned filling stations within a mile or two, which sadly is not the case with most chargers.

That sounds like a bit of shyt show, glad fossil fuel stations I use are manned 24/7 with proper cashiers although there is always the option to pay at the pump, but most savvy drivers push the button to pay cashier rather then pay at the pump. Could be a real nightmare otherwise.

Given that according to their product line up the N and N Line were not out in the 2020 lineup, we are talking here about a GT and Premium SE BEV and both have a 0-62mph of 7.9secs, the BEV is clearly a disadvantage to me based on insurance quote alone, and by the way, I'm quite a few miles away from asylum hotel disturbance, that is right on the London boundary.

Well, the ICE Kona was the GTI version and not the normal sedate model yet it far cheaper to insure. Just shows insurance is fickle.

Location etc will make some variations I accept that, but surely not to the type of fuel a car uses. I used my precise details that I have always used and the very same ones used to insure my new Kodiaq so the the increase in insurance costs has to be down to the cost of repair in the event of a claim. A BEV plugged in on a home charger is less likely to be stolen than ICE as the cable is attached to the car? The WTF? Mileage figures is the recorded miles for those cars on Auto trader, meaning the electric car has 14000 mores on the clock.

No, but that is never going to change my mind about the technology not being matured enough yet to be considered stable and safe and also the future. I understand that you and others have different opinions, and thats is perfectly fine, it'd be boring if we all thought the same eh?

That video you linked to seems to have been deleted.

Ditto, been into cars likewise since I was a kid, I was also the first to own a car and did so as soon as I was legally able to, my parents followed suite some years later after I got married and moved away so they no longer had me to run them about. Like you, I also have always loved the underdogs in the car world . I also love the top dogs and have driven plenty and thoroughly enjoyed them, but could never afford them, apart from that Vanden Plas 3 Litre, which had to go in the end due to the likelihood of petrol rationing being introduced, it was a thirsty beast to be sure, but I loved it.