Graham Butcher

Not all Tesla's have that in the rear door and there are videos about it on line and maybe on here as well, but honestly, who is going to have the presence of mind and or even the time to do that in the rear or have the required torch and tools?? Even the front door, I suggest that only the driver/owner if they have even bothered to read the manual and unless they do use that manual system most of the time, when the chips are down, that will not be remembered. If I was in the back then there is no way that I could and indeed many other people could clamber into the front, or indeed even get into the drivers seat from the passenger side if they had to because of the centre consul would prevent that happening for many people.

The thing that has got so many concerned about the mechanical door handles v electrical operated on EV's is that there are many more chances of getting locked inside an EV then there is an ICE with so many designers opting to show off their skills and how modern and stylish they are by making things as labour free as possible. Touch screen controls and or push buttons etc, all of which fail in the event of failure of the 12v electrics, be it due to fuse failure, electronic unit failure, bad connection or fire damage etc. Yes some EVs do also have emergency mechanical handles and linkages but it also true to say that some don't bother fitting such things, especially for rear passengers, others do but you have to physically remove the door card to access it. How many people when they get into a car actually learn about where such things are located? Anyway, even if you are fully familiar with the car, assuming that the car has the option of both types as standard fitment, people being people will normally only learn the one way of opening the door and in an emergency muscle memory takes over and they will just do what they always do without even thinking about it and that could be fatal if they have always gone for electrical release. If that person happens to be in the rear of certain cars, then they never got an option, it was always going to be electrical. Yes, it is still perfectly capable of being trapped in a car following an accident, I was in position years ago when I was driving a hired Ford Sierra which got shunted into a hedgerow and the rear passenger doors were pushed over front doors preventing them from opening, the only exit was via a broken window in the drivers door.

@Ootoherethe confused emoji was because I had no issue with your first statement but I took the second part as more of mocking me and others for our concerns, maybe that is what you intended, but, that is how it comes across. That EV fire risk report is not a balanced report at all coming as it does with a vested interest in pushing the EV case forward, both in its figures for risk of an EV fire v ICE fire, it beggars belief when you look at the massive amounts of cars either recalled or even being purchased back and being scrapped, all because of the risk of the battery catching fire and then potential risks and hazard that itself presents. That report also suggests that and EV fire poses no more risk to life and or structures or dare I say any more difficult to extinguish, I call that pure BS. Ask the first responders they will tell that is pure BS as well. I don't intend to repeat what I've said previously but when you have fire brigades the world over singing from the same hymn sheet, then I'd tend to listen them as they get to these events up close and personal and have to deal with the aftermath and consequences of such fires. Have you also noticed what word appears at the foot of each page? Confidential is that word, it is even intended for publication, probably because they are aware that it will be torn to shreds.

All true but in a lot of car fires, the diesel is not actively involved in the fire, it will be recorded as a diesel car, but does not mean that diesel either caused the fire nor involved in it. Just as I have always said that most fires are caused by poor electrics (DIY) etc, cigarettes etc regardless of the type of fuel used for power. However it cannot be denied that the hazards of EVs are far more significant if its fuel ie, battery become involved then is true for ICE vehicles. As to data you ask about re fires, I have not yet seen any and would welcome it if anybody else has.

While this is true, he did stop close to other cars already parked in bays, facing out and the flames from his car were being fanned into the engine bays of the other cars, so may be a petrol engine had its fuel line melted and then their would be petrol flowing across the floor of the park, on fire and spreading it. Fact is we will never know 100% for sure, but adequate fire suppression systems would have been a great help and bigger fire gaps between cars.

Agreed, but they should not ever be double locked in, which is only possible from outside the car is it not? With passengers in the car, even if the central door locking system ahs been manually or in the event of some cars, automatically after reaching 10mph, the occupants inside the car should be able to unlock their door normally by pulling the handle twice I think? What it does do is prevent them being opened externally.

As a footnote, if the car park had proper fire suppression system and wider bays to reflect the modern car sizes, then the overall severity of the fire would have greatly reduced and may even have been restricted to just a few cars on the same floor. In any case with EV cars, because of the way that their batteries vent in the event of battery problems, the bays need to be wider to allow for the jets of fire that shoot out sideways.

Nobody is saying that diesel cars don't burn, least of all me, I have already said that I have seen diesel buses catch fire, but as Peter Harding showed in his video it does indeed take a massive about of heat to actually catch fire in the first instance. In the case of diesel dripping onto a hot exhaust pipe, it just tends to evaporate rather quickly than burn. You can have the entire contents of huge diesel fuel taker dumped onto the road surface and there is no risk of streams of fire running along the gutter and into the drains. Try the same trick with a petrol taker and you have a highly undesirable situation of huge explosion and massive fireball as a single spark is enough to set it of. The reason why when there is diesel spillage on the road, that the authorities shut the road, is not because of fire, but the fact that diesel is extremely slippery and they have to recover the road surface from the effects of the diesel, e.g., massive amounts of sand is used to soak it up and also provide grip to other road users after the worst has been dealt with. You can often see where diesel has been spilled on the road by the sand that the fire brigade or councils spread across the road in order to get the road open again as quickly as possible.

And more incidents.

A cover-up or claim culture?

Always a good idea to do that especially if they are not going to be used for a while, reduces the chance of condensation forming on the walls of the tank and contaminating the fuel.

Hmm, also very interesting that the Renault Zoe back in 2013 was awarded 5 stars but in 2021 it got rating of 0, and also interesting that VW Passat and the Skoda Superb also get a 5star rating.

If only that was true, many of those jobs are achieved by actually knowing the right people, or having the right connections and also of course by brown nosing and dumping on others by riding the shirt tails of others and when the opportunity arises plunging the knife in their backs. I also don't deny that some do get their jobs exactly how you describe, but I suspect that most are in the former group of people.

Implying that I and others aren't then, a bit disrespectful then aren't you. Fact is there are not that many high paid jobs around.

You hit the nail on the head there, and most of the EV owners who post on here cannot see or even acknowledge that they are in most cases in a far more privileged position than a large percentage of the population, seeing as EV's were and in reality are still way more expensive than a decent ICE car. Yes there are a few more affordable electric cars, but they are small, and very basic compared to ICE cars of the same value.

To highlight the silly prices of train fares, how about this then? Woman travels to Manchester via Spain to save cash on rail fares - BBC News

Its ironic that the Government have just release this consultation and as always with an extremely tight timeline for people to respond to it, anyone who was cynical would think that they don't people to take part in the survey as they have already made their minds what is going to happen and will ignore what people say, as per usual. Integrated National Transport Strategy: a call for ideas - GOV.UK

Based on past performance, when do you think this affordable Telsa will actually make it to market??

@OotohereI was already aware about Tesla not refunding Marks money, he has mentioned that before, I'm not sure if it is one of his other videos, or he mentioned it in interview with other vloggers. It is a despicable way to treat people and their money. Sort of a throwback to the early days of Sinclair and the other tech companies of the 80s when they used adverts in the newspapers and people paid up front months in advance of receiving anything.

How about a luxury electric SUV that can float?

Eh? what, 62%, I thought the highest level of tax was 60%?

Except we do in most cars of the modern era, cars are stuffed full of computers, all talking to each other.

My sister-in-law doesn't either, but then like so many cars these days, it seldom leaves the city and its only use is to take her from home to her Mums, 1.2 miles away and to the local Sainsburys 1.4 miles away, the car is 10 years old and has only done 9,000 miles and she purchased it new, and there are cars like that in street as well. A full tank of fuel lasts her months of motoring.

What includes insurance as well! That just takes the biscuit and exposes the insurance industry is just a licence to effectively print their money.

@Ootohereyes, I have heard of that happening before, in fact the 1st accident I had in my after I purchased it from the leasing company was with a Lorry on the M25 who sideswiped me to avoid a broken down car and after stopping to exchange details, I noticed as the lorry turned that rear plate was not the same as the front.