Graham Butcher

But is it not true that the higher-than-average earners and the already wealthy people do their level best to avoid as many forms of taxation as it is possible to do? In lots of cases, they even have their bank accounts and savings done where they can get away from tax? Now give the lower earners more money in their pocket; they are the ones that are most likely to go out and spend it on other things, amassing the things that they think the those with more money already have, and in doing so, put money into the country's coffers?

@lol-lol I never said or intentionally implied you did anything different. The fact is All taxpayers contribute to all EV cars. The acid test would be if all concessions were withdrawn would companies and private owners still elect to having EVs. Then freedom of choice makes an appearance and I fully defend anybodies freedom to select what they actually want and I have done from the very outset and introduction of the Toyota Prius. Just as I and others defend a another person's choice to drink alcohol or to smoke.

I accept all that you said, but the fact still remains that you did receive a handout, and that handout has to be funded by none other than the taxpayers; it does not magically appear. So your choice to have an EV does, in fact, mean that every person paying tax is actually helping you and other EV owners or drivers to have your choice of propulsion and drivetrain.

I understand that, but it could just be the result of a poor connection causing a heat rise in the socket of the car and thus possible welding of the connection pins/tubes or the plug and socket combo. This bad connection could be located either on the car itself or in the plug connected to the charger. This is right in my wheelhouse, and as a fully qualified electrical engineer, I have seen this scenario play out many times before on all kinds of plug/socket interfaces. I do not have to have any experiences with owning or driving an EV to be able to have an appreciation and an understanding of the various failure modes that can exist in electrical systems. That fact alone could also be the cause of some car fires, just as it can be the cause of many other fires, like the overloading of extension leads, etc., which also causes fires.

Maybe, something has to pay for the all the handouts to those accepting to have a zero emission car? More likely just rubber stamping the EU proposals so we can continue to have sort of motor trade and it's massive financial contribution to nations coffers. Or of course it could all be just total BS and normal business after all, either way we will have to wait and see.

Maybe, we are not about the cessation of new ICE cars, as the UK government have said that they are going to re-examine the ZEV mandate.

This video shows what could possibly be part of the problem when plugs cannot be extracted from the cars on charge?

@Evolution13 Thats the problem with cars today: so much complexity in them that is all software-driven, and if we have learned anything, we should know how 1 digit or 1 line of code out of maybe millions, can, under the right conditions, wreak havoc and cause all kinds problems.

Imagine if that happened a hundred miles or so away from home, I've never heard of a filling hose getting locked in the filler of an ICE car (just saying). I wonder if that was the result of a bodged over-the-air software update or software bug?

That is totally disgraceful.

Where did this fire thing come from? Nobody is talking of fires.

Why are you widening this out to include other marques, the actual theme of this discussion was purely around the Jaguar decision to only offer BEV cars when they are world famous for Ice luxury cars that are award winning beautifully looking cars with real road presence. All I was saying is will this car that Rory was given a ride in actually continue that legacy as most BEVs are boring to look at.

Yes, we already know that. I was not even hinting towards there being anything other than all-electric models. As the car that Rory was being driven in is wearing heavy disguise, we cannot see if the car will have any of the DNA of their most iconic range, the XJ from 1968 to 2009, which saw them winning the best prestige luxury car award year on year throughout that period. The model that came out from 2010 to 2019 had none of the poise and road presence of the previous models and saw a rapid decline in the popularity of the car.

@Stonekeeper I just wonder, once all all that heavy disguise is removed if the car will have the same kind of style, grace and presence of the classic Jags such as the XJ series cars had?

We now have 55 100% electric buses operating out of just one garage at present, which is Basildon, with a staggering investment for those 55 of £30.6 million; God knows what the final cost is to reequip all of the depots with them.

I expect that what they give with one hand, they will try and get back with other. It's important to remember that their costs have to rise as well because of the gulf War, just as they did with the ukraine war. We still use gas do we not at some plants?

I'm not too sure, your talking of the global scene and I think Harry was talking more about the UK situation and how the UK car industry is suffering and thus the UK economy. As to the Chinese cars, I think they are of poor quality with many cases of cars not even lasting 3 months before failing here in the UK, with the dealers struggling to fix them. Some cars are claimed to have been back at the dealers for over a month awaiting parts or even not being able to diagnose them correctly.

Anyone seen this new video from Harry's Garage? I think he is making some extremely good points in this video, do you agree?

Oh dear, now VW are recalling loads of their EVs over faulty modules on the electrics that could cause the cars to overheat and catch fire – just another in a long line of car manufacturers to do so. So what happens to the Ford models which are based on the VW's, will Ford now also issue a recall or will they just try and wing it? Ford Explorer EV: A compact SUV launched in 2024, produced at Ford's Cologne plant, sharing its core underpinnings with the Volkswagen ID.4. Ford Capri EV: A "coupe-crossover" sibling to the Explorer, which also uses the VW MEB platform and is produced in Germany. Volkswagen and Cupra battery fire recall affects 93k EVs, 2k in the UK | Auto Express

@lol-lol is it really? I wonder if it is not a case of grabbing the current situation and using it to suit the narrative; after all, the powers that be are not going to look a gift horse in the mouth if they think that enough people would be swayed to buying a car to go towards their ideological dream. If Ed Miliband can possibly think that spending millions of UK taxpayers' money on solar panels and then installing them in the Congo where the sunshine is more predictable then here in the UK is a good idea, the claiming the Iran war is also a good idea.🫣 I'm really not convinced that electricity is going to be coming down, especially when the government have announced that help would be available to anyone is going to struggling with their energy bills after the July price hike, and unless I'm mistaken, they are referring to home energy bills, not automotive ones (i.e. those using dino juice for their cars)

The answer is that I never saw it and I was not implying that you did; I was saying that his logic seems OK based on his previous experience.

@Evolution13 I see. you are using the alleged battery SOH rather than the displayed SOC, makes some sense. But in reality if what you are saying is actually true about SOH, SOC, actual ambient temperature, estimation based on the days before, etc., etc., then all of what you are saying does kind of show that electric cars are not currently a suitable replacement for combustion ones because there are so many things that you need to bear in mind all the time and plan for before you can actually get in and drive them. Right, let's draw a line in the sand here, as the original aim of my post in the first place was to gain the benefit of the knowledge that you EV drivers have as to what the actual problem with this car was. Before we get the experts' opinion from the Nissan dealerships' engineers, we will see who was the nearest to the truth. This is the reason why I said, and I quote, "I'm not going to say anymore about this, as I don't want to be accused of saying something that may or may not be incorrect, so to that end you will need to watch the video and listen carefully to what is said about it and then you are invited to say what you think about it." So are you going with A/ it is all down to the driver and his lack of knowledge? B/ it down to a software issue? C/ is it a duff battery? D/ the actual battery claim from BCA was flawed? Or E/ something else that I've not allowed for? Again as I said I'm not going with anything, as I have insufficient knowledge of electric cars, I'm leaving this open to the EV experts here. One thing I have taken away from this so far is, as I have always thought, that those who sail close to the wind on the range, some who often claim that they have actually gone into minus figures are playing with fire. It is a well known fact that these batteries once they reach a certain cell voltage lock themselves out of accepting a charge and will as you rightly said in the beginning, see if it charges DC, as many a Leaf needs that jolt to get it charging. This is a well-known trick with power tool batteries that have been allowed to drop too low: giving them a short, sharp shock with a DC voltage in excess of their normal voltage can initiate charging to begin again.

'Not sure why you keep quoting a 34 kWH battery; it was a 40 kWh battery,' he said. Anyway, I think your calculator needs replacing, as 92% of 34 kWh is 31.28 kWh, but more importantly, 92% of 40 is 36.8 kWh. Both figures are considerably more than your figure of 27.88 kWh. I also accept that the range is always based upon the driving style, etc. of the last journey, just as it is on any type of car. It has to be based on what is expected to be left in the tank/battery x the last average mpg/mkw that the car did. But surely there has to be something way out of whack when that 92% drops to just 1% after doing 35 miles? The car is now at a proper Nissan dealership, which has said that they think it has a software problem but that they will confirm what the actual issue is once they have a proper look at the car. He will update us all on that when he does the follow-up video in due course. The video I posted is only 2 days old, so I hope that he gets answers back within the next week and posts his update soon after. And he also said in his video that he has had in the past an electric Kia Soul and a Skoda Enyaq, and as he also said, he did exactly the same thing with both of those cars: drive from his unit to home and back again and then charge on the 3-pin granny lead at his unit. He also said that the Soul he drove had a range of less than 100 miles, which this video seems to back up, but he managed to make that trip perfectly OK without any drama. So let me get this straight in my mind, it seems to me that you are actually blaming the poor performance of his Leaf firmly on him and his lack of knowledge of how to drive an EV, is that correct? I'm sitting here; thinking there is an issue with the car itself, as it looks like it lost 60%+ of what it said it should do on the remaining energy in the battery. So let's wait for the update.

@Evolution13 He stated in the first few minutes of the video that it was the 40KW model. He also included the screenshot of the dash that BCA used to sell the car, it showed 92% charge and 121 miles of range left. This as he also said, was not his first EV so was not a noob and knew all about the regen and one pedal driving. Yes he could have tried out the DC and AC charging when he collected the car. That said though when buying an Ice car and the fuel gauge reads nearly full, what do you do? Start sucking fuel out to if it to see if it is fuel and of the correct type etc? No of course you don't, you take it as being correct don't you?

This chap has purchased a Nissan Leaf with an assured battery SOH report and warranty from BCA. However, all might not be as claimed; investigations are still ongoing on this car. So I'm posting this here for you people who have much more knowledge than me on EVs for your thoughts into what the issue with this car might be. I'm not going to say anymore about this, as I don't want to be accused of saying something that may or may not be incorrect, so to that end you will need to watch the video and listen carefully to what is said about it and then you are invited to say what you think about it. When the investigations are completed and the results are published, then we shall see whether BCA will stand by their warranty or not, and we should all find out just what the truth really is with this car. So go for it, knock yourselves out.