Graham Butcher

I never made that claim at all, that is the way that read it, not the way I wrote it. I was only queering why you claimed that it took 25 minutes to fill a tank with diesel. Your wife goes shopping but does she include the time it took her to shop for the food, include that in the time it takes to cook the said food, the two events are entirely separate from each other. I do accept that the time taken to go and get the diesel and back to the route was 25 minutes but you were not standing there, squeezing the trigger on the pump for that long were you.???

@Ootohere I might have been wrong about the neighbourhood, but his words indicated that was where he lives, and he never tried to correct that impression. And the Florida, bit I agree they might have been doing all of those things, and then more than likely not, just as most EV drivers/owners over this side of the pond are not doing. There will always be some who are very clued-up on this sort of thing like @lol-lol and @wyx087 and yourself, but there are vast numbers who just treat it in the same fashion as they do any ICE vehicle and not go beyond home charging. Running out of Gasoline is always possible, but in an emergency like that, there is always the possibility of siphoning some Gasoline from other vehicles with full tanks in order to help a fellow neighbour escape the area, is such a thing even possible with an EV?

So wrong, give people some credit, why on earth would I expect your Enyaq sat nav to be with you when it was obvious you were driving your diesel VW🙄. I expected that as it was in your neighbourhood that 1) you would have known about it being there and 2) when in your Enyaq it would have shown up on your screen, and you might have sublimely absorbed in your brain. Much the same as TomTom also shows me where there are chargers. But the reality is that it must have been your original intention to go to Costco purely on the price difference between what you paid and what you would have paid anywhere else, and the resultant time delay was a result of that. You could have gone to the Dreghorn PFS on the left just as @Ootohere said, but you didn't.

@domhnallLol, and to think that this whole saga could have been avoided if it were not for the fact that you and so many home charging EV drivers had not been spoilt by the automatic overnight refuelling capability that you have with the Enyaq. If you didn't have that function then you'd probably not have seen that 25 minutes it took to go and get your diesel as negatively as you did, but instead it would have been just another normal day, and you would not have thought any more of it. Or of course, if you had not so doggedly stuck to your unwillingness to actually separate the travelling and queueing time from the true time of filling the tank, which is exactly the same analogy as the time taken to top up your EV from a low SOC to at least 80% if you had to rely on a public charger for the Enyaq. Which is exactly how ICE drivers view their refuelling, without that dino juice we are not going to go anywhere, just as without lecky, neither are EV drivers, but ICE can go from 0 to 390-mile range (your VW) in 5 minutes to how long would it take your Enyaq to go from say 5% to 100% SOC to achieve a range of upto 330 miles at a public charger? I certainly know which one of the two vehicles would be departing first from the pump / charger under those conditions Yes I do understand it can be a faff filling up prior to the trip, but as a good scout (note I was never a scout) being prepared can actually save a lot of time on the day as invariably real life can sometimes throw you a curved ball at the last moment making some time limited trips touch and go if you're going to make it in time. Incidentally, have you seen how many homes in Florida right now that have their power cut as a result of storm Milton, any EV drivers trying to flee are maybe regretting their EV car right now if they have no charge left.

The biggest cause of ICE fires (excluding people doing stupid things, dropped cigarettes etc) is not the type of fuel, or the more "complicated" engine with its more moving parts, it is pure ageing of things like plastic fuel pipes etc and leaking blocked DPF's, many cars are considerably older than the EVs, DIY maintenance to a poor standard on the older cars, corners being cut due to costs etc. Take a look around a carpark next time and at the general condition of many of the ICE cars, bits of bodywork being held on with parcel tape etc, that is something you don't tend to see with EVs, why because their owners are clearly better off in the first place, and secondly, the EVs are still young and have yet to reach the maturity of these ICE cars. I really do not understand why it is that those with EVs cannot see this for themselves. Have a look at the collection of old classics that take part in the annual London to Brighton run each and see just how reliable they are and then compare them with yours then maybe you might just grasp it, your cars are like starships compared to them. Anything as it gets old is less reliable and frail, becomes prone to all kinds of failure modes, including us. Its not rocket science, just pure logic, the fact that someone has commissioned a study / report into the chances of either catching fire should be ringing alarms as to the reasons why that report was commissioned in the first place, follow the money and you might discover that was paid for someone with a vested interest in keeping EV sales on track. Think about it a bit more, have you ever been aware of anyone doing a study on the probability of fire with petrol to diesel? I suggest not, I know I haven't. So as I said earlier, it is obvious that you are far more likely to see ICE cars on fire than you are an EV. Give it another 10 to 15 years (if EV models that are being used now are still in use then) and you will begin to see many more EV fires because of the ageing taking its toll.

@Ootohere well what I see is correct and if you look on that map that @Luckypantsposted it is pretty clear that my part of the country is poorly covered by charger locations / hubs so suggests either we don't enough grid capacity or maybe we have the largest stock of houses and or the most flats where people are not able to home charge possibly, do you think? As to where my son, lives just 4 miles away, it is just the biggest new housing project ever I think where they are building thousands of new homes, a mix of large blocks of flats and oodles of smaller to large houses with drives etc so that is the area with loads of Tesla and Porsche Taycans, some homes have 2 or more, so clearly the more affluent folk live there. There may also be a lot of truth in what @Luckypants said about "Build it and they will come" and seeing as they have not built much of the infrastructure in my area, not many people are willing to risk being stranded with no Juice?

Maybe we have more EV,s down this part of the country than Scotland does after all then?

@Ootohere I agree Dregorn is an easier station to get to and is indeed on the map I posted for @domhnall as well, which I found after a search question on the web for filling stations in the Loanhead area. The Esso one I just happened to see on Google maps 😁

Interesting to see that the coaches being run by Ember are made by Yutong, like the video I posted the other day.

Its on the A702, just 500 metres off the bypass.

Well he said he was not aware of the Esso on the right hand side of the bypass, so who knows? I know all the PFS in my area, even though I don't use many of them.

@Ootohere now the hub at Dundee is a proper hub, not a local charge spot.

PM Boris was greenwashing just like his other lies, and yet an awful amount of people fell for it hook line and sinker.

There are still large parts of the country on that map that currently do not enjoy a particularly good coverage like, Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and Kent, in other words my neck of the woods. Your example with the Rugby hub is a pretty good example of a Hub, 24 in 2021 and in the space of just 2 years it has grown to 52 with a further 12 on the way. A charge site of 6 is nothing like Hub, it cannot even replace / compete with a normal 6 pump PFS which can service many more cars in a 24-hour period.

Says the man who was unaware of the PFS in your area alone, presumably because your Enyaq only show on its satnav the charging locations being an electric it has no interest in PFS?

Sorry, I meant that if they did what I said, then the bill would be added to your normal Lecky bill at the normal rates as if the car was at home charging with only the 5%VAT, that would then to a large extent negate a lot of the reluctance to go electric by the people who can't charge at home, but they could then enjoy some of the benefits that those (like you) who can and thus enjoy the cheaper motoring. That way there might quite a lot more people switching to electric.

All very true, maybe its about time they changed tack then came and up with a system where the chargers were owned and operated by the power networks themselves and each car or a RFID card etc, would allow the chargers to add the charge directly back to the persons home account and gets added to their Lecky bill? Similarly to a credit or debit card where it identifies the user and charges the purchase back to their account?

No, I call that a hub because you have 18 chargers, nowhere near enough for when most cars will be electric in the future but no doubt extra sites will come online, Swing it around to PFS, how many pumps do most of them have compared with the 16 at that Costco? Here that figure is 6 or 8 at stations run by Shell, Asda, Esso, BP, Harvest, Texaco. Then we have Sainsbury 16, Tesco who have 16. But all the PFS on the main trunk routes A414, A130, A12 etc are also 6 or 8 pumps. Sainsbury and Tesco are right by their large stores with huge carparks where people go and do their weekly shopping and on their way out, nip onto their forecourts and top their tanks, just like the Costco at Loanhead.

I may be wrong, hopefully someone will correct me if I am, but I that is tucked away behind the infotainment screen given the instrument cluster location, the foot pedals can be seen in the lower left and the small hose for the cooled glovebox on the right all shown in the photo?

Also funnily enough, I personally would not call that a hub when it only has 6 chargers, which could at peak periods involve queueing, to my mind a hub is somewhere where many type of EV can be catered for and with many more chargers so there is less chance of queueing and also very close to a National Grid connection so that the chargers could all be used at the same time, delivering their rated output without a large drop of output, thus prolonging the time it takes to recharge your car, like this one at Braintree has no fewer than 36 chargers. Many PFS have upto 6 chargers tucked away at the side somewhere, but are incapable of handling maximum output when all are in use. GRIDSERVE Electric Forecourt® Braintree | Fast and Reliable EV Charging

In your first post dated 30th September, you said the following :- "I have a diesel as well as an EV. I rarely use the diesel on long trips as it means as extra stops are needed (we need the usual comfort breaks and food stops but in the diesel we need to make fuel stops on top). Last week I took the diesel on a trip down South and I had to fuel up. From the point where I leftthe Edinburgh bpyass, got to costco (the first filling station I passed) filled up and got back on the bypass it was 25 minutes. This idea that you take 5 minutes is for the birds" So I ask you where in the above statement did you give a starting location or final location, so I had to make assumptions and is it not a reasonable therefore to assume that you got to the Edinburgh bypass and thought that you needed to get some fuel in order to complete your drive? Equally I have shown that you had driven past earlier PFS along the bypass, and as you have since explained that you departed Livingston (precise location unknown to me) I have also shown that there were no fewer than 12 PFS in Livingston, and it is possible that many were in fact close to your point of departure. So I suggest that what you think is me changing the facts, is actually me trying to explain the logic in my thinking which you are not accepting, and it is you who is now changing the facts by giving further information, such as you were going from Livingston to Otterburn along the A68 and that the 1st PFS on the A68 was at Jedburgh, some 42 miles from the bypass (that is a long distance I grant you without a PFS on a A class road). But this information was not known by anybody until you divulged it on the 4th Oct, some 5 days later. Further research shows me that West Lothian is in the South East of Scotland, and just west of Edinburgh, and that Livingston is the largest town in the county, so I take it now that is where you live. My diesel car can do around 865 miles on a long run, so I can in theory on a good day assuming not to many hills etc, leave my house with a full tank, and drive upto Muir Road, on the Houstoun Industrial Estate in the North East of Livingston, a distance of 445 miles door to door and almost back again without refuelling. Livingston to Otterburn is some 90 miles!

The Simply Clever brand has screens and TPMS, but it does not display the pressure in each tyre, it will alert you that a tyre has dropped pressure and then relies on you to pump it upto the correct pressure as defined in the handbook or on the filler cover, and then you have to press a button to tell the system that the tyres are at the correct pressure and cancel the alert. So with that particular system, I assume that I could over or under inflate and once that button has been pressed, the alert will be cancelled and only activate if the pressure drops from the stored level and the correct pressure for my car is 30 psi for the fronts and 33 psi for the rears.

Tyre pressure should be as the manufacturer printed in the handbook otherwise the performance will not be the same in terms of rolling resistance is true, but also the grip will be adversely affected and tyres will wear out far quicker. Over inflation will wear out the centre of the tread and inflation will wear out the outer edges and side walls.

Wow, thanks for the info, but I say screw that, I'm too old for those fun and games.

Where is this located? Is it under the centre speakers on the top of the dash?