Hi guys, Im hoping someone from the SMOC with an elegance CR170 would be able to take a photo showing the space between the standard 312mm brake setup (the caliper specifically) and the 17" elegance alloy.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

Thanks.

Hi guys, Im hoping someone from the SMOC with an elegance CR170 would be able to take a photo showing the space between the standard 312mm brake setup (the caliper specifically) and the 17" elegance alloy.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

Thanks.

space: front apx 22mm with Spitzberg

space: rear apx 36 mm with Spitzberg

space: front apx 22mm with Spitzberg

space: rear apx 36 mm with Spitzberg

Thank you very much for taking the time to post.

Would you happen to know how close the front face of the caliper sits to the inside of the alloy? I think that will be more telling of whether the car could be fitted with 'bigger' calipers / disks.

Thanks again.

Thank you very much for taking the time to post.

Would you happen to know how close the front face of the caliper sits to the inside of the alloy? I think that will be more telling of whether the car could be fitted with 'bigger' calipers / disks.

Thanks again.

Hard to say. But, 'bigger' calipers / disks? Why?

Have you tested the 170.

Hard to say. But, 'bigger' calipers / disks? Why?

Have you tested the 170.

I dont think I'll know until a test fit then but Im not holding my breath. :'(

I own a 1.8TSi which runs the same setup as the TD140 Yeti - 288mm disks up front. Imo the 140 and 1.8TSi are underbraked as standard so Im looking to upgrade them.

These are what Im hoping will fit under my standard 17" alloys ....

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/160389-brembo-big-brake-kit-special-offer/

but it appears its very much down to the alloy design itself. This will dictate how close it is to the caliper.

If I cant get these under the standard alloys Ive decided Im not swapping the wheels but will settle for a 312mm setup, same as the TD170 ships with from the factory and just make do. :(

Hard to say. But, 'bigger' calipers / disks? Why?Have you tested the 170.

Exactly! My early 140tdi I believe has the same set up as the present 170tdi and I have experienced absolutely no problems witb the braking.

How can a slight increase in disk and or caliper/pad size make such an appreciable difference and one significant enough to justify what is likely to be at a significant cost?

Phew I've just seen the price Even at the reduced £1,000 this is a serious amount of cash to fix something that I doubt needs fixing on a Yeti 170tdi or 1.8tsi unless you uprate the engine with a drastic remapping.

Edited 12 May, 201016 yr by Trevorminor

Exactly! My early 140tdi I believe has the same set up as the present 170tdi and I have experienced absolutely no problems witb the braking.

How can a slight increase in disk and or caliper/pad size make such an appreciable difference and one significant enough to justify what is likely to be at a significant cost?

Phew I've just seen the price Even at the reduced £1,000 this is a serious amount of cash to fix something that I doubt needs fixing on a Yeti 170tdi or 1.8tsi unless you uprate the engine with a drastic remapping.

Hi,

all TDI 140's and 1.8TSI's have the same disc's and callipers front and rear, however early production of versions of both these models (up to WK45/09) have larger rear discs (286mm discs and 16" CII 41 callipers) than Yeti's models including the 170 that came into production from WK41/09.

Not the TDI 170 is the only model with the 312 discs.

My 140 WK42/09 for comparison.

Mine stops with no problem at all, much better than my Golf V. This to some extent I put down to the decent size discs as the rear; those on the Golf produced a lot of dust, leading me to suspect they were working overtime to slow her down.

Regards,

TP

Edited 12 May, 201016 yr by The Plumber

Exactly! My early 140tdi I believe has the same set up as the present 170tdi and I have experienced absolutely no problems witb the braking.

How can a slight increase in disk and or caliper/pad size make such an appreciable difference and one significant enough to justify what is likely to be at a significant cost?

Phew I've just seen the price Even at the reduced £1,000 this is a serious amount of cash to fix something that I doubt needs fixing on a Yeti 170tdi or 1.8tsi unless you uprate the engine with a drastic remapping.

Incorrect. The 140 never had the 312mm setup from the factory. That's only ever been fitted to the 170.

When you ask how a slight increase in disc size etc can make a difference I'm assuming you have never done a 'proper' brake upgrade on a car before?

A single floating caliper design compared to decent 4 pots, let alone a 30+mm on the disk diameter and even more importantly, a bigger pad to disc contact area can make a massive difference to the braking ability of the vehicle.

The value of the upgrade is surely down to the opinion of the person paying the money. This would actually be one of the cheapest brake upgrades I've done and for the hardware I consider it very good value.

Incorrect. The 140 never had the 312mm setup from the factory. That's only ever been fitted to the 170.When you ask how a slight increase in disc size etc can make a difference I'm assuming you have never done a 'proper' brake upgrade on a car before?A single floating caliper design compared to decent 4 pots, let alone a 30+mm on the disk diameter and even more importantly, a bigger pad to disc contact area can make a massive difference to the braking ability of the vehicle.The value of the upgrade is surely down to the opinion of the person paying the money. This would actually be one of the cheapest brake upgrades I've done and for the hardware I consider it very good value.

Wrong to make that assumption. I have experience of upgrading the brakes on original Minis and Morris Minors over the years. Fitting a front disc/ servo setup to a Minor can make a tremendous difference.

As others have pointed out, the early 140tdi and 1.8tsi had marginally larger discs. On looking through a variety of road tests by Autocar, the Yeti certainly compares well with other cars. The Metrolpolitan polce have also evaluated the Yeti for potential use and comment that the brakes stand up well to quite punishing repeated fade tests. The car passed all of their tests by some margin.

I just can't fathom out why there would be the need to spend what I think is a lot of cash (£1,000 + fitting) improving something that clearly is perfectly adequate for its intended purpose.

The value of the upgrade is indeed ultimately down to the person paying. BUT anyone thinking about buying a Yeti should not be given the impression that the standard brakes are in any way not fit for purpose.

Edited 12 May, 201016 yr by Trevorminor

Wrong to make that assumption. I have experience of upgrading the brakes on original Minis and Morris Minors over the years. Fitting a front disc/ servo setup to a Minor can make a tremendous difference.

As others have pointed out, the early 140tdi and 1.8tsi had marginally larger discs. On looking through a variety of road tests by Autocar, the Yeti certainly compares well with other cars. The Metrolpolitan polce have also evaluated the Yeti for potential use and comment that the brakes stand up well to quite punishing repeated fade tests. The car passed all of their tests by some margin.

I just can't fathom out why there would be the need to spend what I think is a lot of cash (£1,000 + fitting) improving something that clearly is perfectly adequate for its intended purpose.

The value of the upgrade is indeed ultimately down to the person paying. BUT anyone thinking about buying a Yeti should not be given the impression that the standard brakes are in any way not fit for purpose.

others have said the front disc sizes have changed? As far as I'm aware that IS incorrect. Only the rears have changed and that change is insignificant in the overall braking performance of the vehicle.

I'm not saying they are not fit for purpose. They aren't good enough for me and I want to upgrade them. Simple.

I'm not saying they are not fit for purpose. They aren't good enough for me and I want to upgrade them. Simple.

Would a change of pads bring about a suitable improvement in brake efficiency?

Might be worth a try before spending £1K.

Would a change of pads bring about a suitable improvement in brake efficiency?

Might be worth a try before spending £1K.

I appreciate the post, thank you.

It could only help I guess but personally Id rather start with a bigger setup bearing in mind the car will only be getting quicker in the future.

I had the 312mm setup on the VRS and with standard power they were very good. I nearly went the whole hog with the VRS - some four pots - but instead took the slightly cheaper route of doing the 345mm S3 setup. The difference was noticeable, particulalry with fade over extended use but from previous experience I should have gone with something that got away from the single floating piston design - I just feel they are ultimately limited by design compared to aftermarket four and six pot designs - the clamping force is far better. The VRS and the Yeti are by far the two heaviest cars Ive owned so maybe thats a big part of the issue too - theres more weight to shrug off of course.

On a previous car I did upgraded pads on the standard setup (258mm!), then a bigger setup (300mm from a higher spec model), then 4 pot AP's and then finally a 6 pot Tarox 330mm setup. The Tarox setup was simply awesome - repeated hard braking from 150+mph down to around 40 didnt phase them in any way.

Ive never said that the 1.8TSi brakes are just down right bad as has been suggested above (otherwsie I'd have started a thread called "the standard brakes are carp, help me to upgrade!" instead I have simply become used to fairly powerful brakes on my cars and Ive decided I want to look at upgrading the Yeti in the same way as I have my other cars.

Better warn anyone that may follow you too closely on the public road The manufacturer carefully balances cost, safety, reliability and serviceability when deciding upon brake specifications. I feel confident that had Skoda decided that wider brake discs would have been necessary. they would have fitted them.

I respect that it's a free world but my point is that the Metropolitan Police have subjected the car to punishing brake testing on a 140tdi 4x4 and they had nothing but praise for the standard set up as decided upon by Skoda themselves. The results can be seen:

http://www.skoda.co.uk/PDF/emergency-services-report.pdf

To save clicking on the link, the following is the summary of the report that refers to the brakes

Brakes:

The Yeti 2.0 tdi successfully passed the 50-stop fade test, in a time of 13 minutes

and 24 seconds and achieved a maximum temperature of 583°C and achieved an

MPS Class 1 pass, for pad wear and localised component durability.

The brake pedal was firm and consistent throughout the test with no noticeable

degree of brake fade evident. Grabbing was present at the conclusion of each stop

from stop 10, through to the completion of the test, which combined with light smoke

from the brake pad material at stop 25. The pedal travel was initially mid-range and

firm, improving to a short and firm response throughout the remaining period of the

heat soak test.

My experience over 4,000 miles+ does not lead me to doubt their findings.

Better warn anyone that may follow you too closely on the public road The manufacturer carefully balances cost, safety, reliability and serviceability when deciding upon brake specifications. I feel confident that had Skoda decided that wider brake discs would have been necessary. they would have fitted them.

I respect that it's a free world but my point is that the Metropolitan Police have subjected the car to punishing brake testing on a 140tdi 4x4 and they had nothing but praise for the standard set up as decided upon by Skoda themselves. The results can be seen:

http://www.skoda.co.uk/PDF/emergency-services-report.pdf

To save clicking on the link, the following is the summary of the report that refers to the brakes

Brakes:

The Yeti 2.0 tdi successfully passed the 50-stop fade test, in a time of 13 minutes

and 24 seconds and achieved a maximum temperature of 583°C and achieved an

MPS Class 1 pass, for pad wear and localised component durability.

The brake pedal was firm and consistent throughout the test with no noticeable

degree of brake fade evident. Grabbing was present at the conclusion of each stop

from stop 10, through to the completion of the test, which combined with light smoke

from the brake pad material at stop 25. The pedal travel was initially mid-range and

firm, improving to a short and firm response throughout the remaining period of the

heat soak test.

My experience over 4,000 miles+ does not lead me to doubt their findings.

Yes, I read that report when it was originally released. Thanks.

Your proposed brake upgrade may work out more expensive than you think, if Skoda decide to be 'difficult' about warranty repairs.

I am quite surprised by the negative vibes towards your plan to upgrade your brakes. As far as I am concerned we should celebrate your efforts to improve yours in any way you like, and I hope you publish what you end up doing to your Yeti on this site.

I also am very much looking forward to hear about your other plans that you mention. There are enough pages on this site about things like aluminum door sill stickers etc., and I for one would love to see a few pages on something more substantial. Here's to the day when we have a thread called "My 3.6 V6 DSG Yeti with Nitrox and active air suspension". Good luck FocusZtec, and keep us posted.

Edited 14 May, 201016 yr by rand

FocusZ,

I am with the esteemed poster from CH. Go for it if you want the better braking, and let us know how it works out.

Personally, I do not quite see the need, but driving style and expectations as well as past experiences do rule. You have warned that a few more HP will also be in the future, so the sequence of improving the braking first is logical.

Edited 15 May, 201016 yr by Agerbundsen

I am quite surprised by the negative vibes towards your plan to upgrade your brakes. As far as I am concerned we should celebrate your efforts to improve yours in any way you like, and I hope you publish what you end up doing to your Yeti on this site. I also am very much looking forward to hear about your other plans that you mention. There are enough pages on this site about things like aluminum door sill stickers etc., and I for one would love to see a few pages on something more substantial. Here's to the day when we have a thread called "My 3.6 V6 DSG Yeti with Nitrox and active air suspension". Good luck FocusZtec, and keep us posted.

Oh dear! 'Bling' hits the Yeti.

Oh dear! 'Bling' hits the Yeti.

Trevorminor just a teeny weeny polite request ...

PLEASE show tolerance and respect to Yeti owners who want / like Bling or Modifications :yes: we may all have different views on how pure the yeti should remain it but no "one" is the "right" view.... is it??

In the spirit of true Yeti Democracy...a multi belief mandate...

Lady Penelope

Trevorminor just a teeny weeny polite request ...

PLEASE show tolerance and respect to Yeti owners who want / like Bling or Modifications :yes: we may all have different views on how pure the yeti should remain it but no "one" is the "right" view.... is it??

In the spirit of true Yeti Democracy...a multi belief mandate...

Lady Penelope

As in the Dave & Nick Show?

My link

TP

Oh dear! 'Bling' hits the Yeti.

Since when have performance improvements been considered 'bling'? Not in my book are they.

FocusZetec; go for it sir! If one does a quick tot up of the cost of buying an OE brake setup it has got to be in the region of £600 - £750 all in; so (only) £1,000 for a 4pot Brembo setup is awesome value. Get it bought quickly before someone else nips in ahead of you!

For me; I'm looking at a modest upgrade to a CR140 4x4 DSG (when I get it) with 312mm front discs and Fereodo DS2500 pads all round.

As a matter of interest, will changing the calipers affect the ABS / ESP / Off Road Hill Descent control / etc...? I don't know where the wheel speed sensors are, but could they be mounted with the calipers? Also is the caliper power calibrated in the ESP programme, as I don't know how sophisticated the programme is with respect to pressure required in the brake line to scrub speed.

Either way, looking forward to hearing about FocusZtec's performance increase.

And as for bling, since when has innovation been gained and performance increased by just adhering to the status quo. Here's to progress.

Thanks for the more positive views guys

I must say I was initially surprised at the response; certainly when I did all the bit to the Octy VRS I never had responses like that on the Octy forum but I guess if you post on a public forum you should expect views of all that are interested (either negative or positive).

Im still looking into this with JKM currently and as a matter of interest - the last OE upgrade I did (which was S3/R32 brakes to the VRS) cost me just a few pounds shy of £800 so I have to say that these do seem to offer amazing value... if you happen to be after a brake upgrade.

I will keep you all updated to the progress.