Hi Everyone,

I am just about to get a Superb Elegance. My budget is £20k. I like a sunroof in a car and have found one with a solar sunroof. Now Is it worth having this. If I have read that you cannot see through the sunroof when closed, Is that correct? Also does it tilt and slide.

I am foregoing DSG for the Solar sunroof (is this a good idea? I have dirve a demonstrator 170 dsg and thought the turbo lag on the DSG when pulling out of junctions was annoying).

If anyone is aware of an elegance 170 with sunroof at around 10,000 miles please let me know.

This will be my first Skoda but I am very impressed with the superb. Going from a Jag S Type R!

All comments welcome!

Thanks

Kev

Hi Everyone,

I am just about to get a Superb Elegance. My budget is £20k. I like a sunroof in a car and have found one with a solar sunroof. Now Is it worth having this. If I have read that you cannot see through the sunroof when closed, Is that correct? Also does it tilt and slide.

I am foregoing DSG for the Solar sunroof (is this a good idea? I have dirve a demonstrator 170 dsg and thought the turbo lag on the DSG when pulling out of junctions was annoying).

The solar sunroof is, in fact, a solar panel, which runs the circulation fans in hot weather to prevent that stifling hot feeling inside the vehicle when parked for long periods in the sun. This method allows the fan to run continuously without affecting the main battery in any way, the sole purpose of this accessory.

Because it is a solar panel, you cannot see through it. Furthermore, the underside is covered by a screen, matching the roof lining, which slides back and forward with the panel. The roof does, however, both tilt and slide.

IMO, having had the solar roof fitted to my new Superb by mistake - and therefore free, rather than the new cost of £800 - I would not trade it for DSG for a millisecond. Once the vehicle gets "used" to your driving style, it will pull away from a junction without any discernable lag. Demonstrator vehicles tend to be driven in so many different manners and styles that a drive in one will not necessarily show the full potential of the DSG.

I'd re-think this if I were you, as the DSG outweighs the solar roof in so many ways. HTH

Ray

I would agree with the above comments about the DSG box. There is absolutely no delay in my car taking off. I am very impressed with the box!

I have to Argeegree on this, the box needs time to adjust itself to you, it ain't perfect, but I tell you this, sunroof or 10000 less gear and clutch opps, gimme DSG every time.

Thanks for the reply guys. I think you have made my mind up. What was swaying me was the spec.

It is a 2010 plate, 8,500 miles, heated front screen, rear heated seats, park assist, solar sunroof, manual 170, black with cream leather for £20k.

Would you still go for the DSG. I think I can get a nice one but a bit older for just under £20k.

Thanks

Kev

Would you still go for the DSG.

YES!

Ray

OK,

You have persuaded me! Thanks for all your help guys. I will let you know when I pick it up!

Thanks

Kev

When specing my Superb, I decided not to worry about a solar sun roof, but to go for the DSG. I have never regretted that decision. Once the box gets used to how you drive, it will rarely, if ever, let you down.

When specing my Superb, I decided not to worry about a solar sun roof, but to go for the DSG. I have never regretted that decision. Once the box gets used to how you drive, it will rarely, if ever, let you down.

I do hope that this is true for you, as there are several issues with the DSG that are being covered by either recall or warranty repairs - great whilst it's still in warranty, but WILL cost the OWNER thousands once it has no warranty left on it.

... but WILL cost the OWNER thousands once it has no warranty left on it.

You state this as though it were a fact, Gizmo, when it clearly isn't. Why is this?

Ray

You state this as though it were a fact, Gizmo, when it clearly isn't. Why is this?

Ray

Simply because ALL of what i said is fact

I do hope that this is true for you, as there are several issues with the DSG that are being covered by either recall or warranty repairs - great whilst it's still in warranty, but WILL cost the OWNER thousands once it has no warranty left on it.

If you are unlucky to have a failure out of warranty then it is going to be YOU rather than than Skoda that pick up the bill.

As i say if you will only own the car whilst it is under warranty then this is not an issue, but i am not convinced that the DSG is reliable enough for ME yet.

(I drive approx 100K PA in a mixture of auto, semi-auto and manual gearboxes and whilst the good proven ones are VERY good, when they play up - by either crunching gears, selecting the wrong gear at the wrong time, or simply taking too long to pull away :(, they are nothing but a PITA)

DSG type gearboxes are definitely the way forward, but IMO we are not quite there yet.

Simply because ALL of what i said is fact.

No, it is NOT.

Fact: something that actually exists; reality; truth.

You state, categorically, that once my warranty expires, my DSG WILL cost me thousands. That's absolute piffle and information you cannot possibly possess or accurately estimate, as no-one's warranty has yet expired, etc.

It's not FACT at all, merely your OPINION. Your opinion is not fact, therefore ........ do I need to go on?

Jeez.

Ray

Eh Eh Eh..Calm down calm down

I'll try to break it down for other's reading

DSG = 2 things

1 - Box featuring two clutches sandwiching a flywheel

2 - Mechatronic unit that tells the box when to change up and down

The box is iir £3k to replace, the Mech unit is around £1800

If you are unlucky and it does break after 60k or 3 years, it's a bad day for you.

However, as the computer does the changing for you, it eliminates the old Mrs Clutchride effect, so effectively the clutch should way outdo a normal manual one.

The economy is excellent, I do an urban £20 of fuel in 120 miles, the 1.9 Sup auto I had would polish this off in 85 miles.

Is it a finished article? personally I'd say it's 90% there, and requires another 10% of improvements, which comes as it evolves, just as engines do etc.

If you want one, but aren't sure, you should get one, I don't think it's any less reliable than a normal auto, or a manual for that matter.

And the clincher, you're at the lights, one of those I must pass you merchants draws up, the lights drop to green, you go 1-2-3-4-5-6 while he's still letting the pedal off for 2nd, and the funny thing is, I find the box works best when asked rather than poodled.

DSG is going to expensive to fix outside of warranty though I'd have thought

Of course there is also the fact that it needs to have extra oil services done with a special tool every so often and if these are not done there is no warranty on it, so there is even potential for extra cost in warranty.

Then there is the question of how do you start in second on a snowy/icy road in a DSG.

Edited 16 June, 201016 yr by cheezemonkhai

No, it is NOT.

Fact: something that actually exists; reality; truth.

You state, categorically, that once my warranty expires, my DSG WILL cost me thousands. That's absolute piffle and information you cannot possibly possess or accurately estimate, as no-one's warranty has yet expired, etc.

It's not FACT at all, merely your OPINION. Your opinion is not fact, therefore ........ do I need to go on?

Jeez.

Ray

Ray, re read what i said, rather than what you think i said:

there are several issues with the DSG that are being covered by either recall or warranty repairs - great whilst it's still in warranty, but WILL cost the OWNER thousands once it has no warranty left on it.

What i have said above is these issues that are (currently) getting covered under warranty, but after 3 years the repair costs be down to the owner to pay for, never have i said your DSG IS GOING TO fail, or it WILL cost you thousands...... BUT if it does fail outside of the warranty, THEN it "WILL cost the OWNER thousands"

BUT if it does fail outside of the warranty, THEN it "WILL cost the OWNER thousands"

Final time of trying: you're stating, in effect, that the minimum cost of a DSG problem will be >£2,000.

However you look at it, that's not a fact, but an opinion.

Enough.

Ray

Do your own search on Google for DSG problems / vag Mechatronic control unit (as i have done) and you will see the figures for yourself, so it's not my opinion at all.

If i was getting a company car or could be sure i would not own it after 3 years then yes i would consider one, but as it will be my own money that is paying for the car and repairs, the only way i would currently consider a DSG is for it too be cheap enough (over a manual) to cover the costs of an extended warranty.

Do your own search on Google for DSG problems / vag Mechatronic control unit (as i have done) and you will see the figures for yourself, so it's not my opinion at all.

If i was getting a company car or could be sure i would not own it after 3 years then yes i would consider one, but as it will be my own money that is paying for the car and repairs, the only way i would currently consider a DSG is for it too be cheap enough (over a manual) to cover the costs of an extended warranty.

Those who have had to pay to fix a DSG box because something they did to the car or a lack of oil change have found that the cost does indeed run into thousands. Mainly due to a lack of parts and solutions being a whole new box.

If this lack of parts will continue, I can not say, but I wouldn't be changing such a box until I was sure it was reliable over a 10 year period. (Reliable means as reliable as a manual, not perfect by the way)

Those who have had to pay to fix a DSG box because something they did to the car or a lack of oil change have found that the cost does indeed run into thousands. Mainly due to a lack of parts and solutions being a whole new box.

If this lack of parts will continue, I can not say, but I wouldn't be changing such a box until I was sure it was reliable over a 10 year period. (Reliable means as reliable as a manual, not perfect by the way)

Guys,

Thanks for all the input but as it is a company car I don't have to worry about such things thankfully!

I'm going 170 DSG Elegance (found a nice silver one with park assist and audio upgrade)

Guys,

Thanks for all the input but as it is a company car I don't have to worry about such things thankfully!

I'm going 170 DSG Elegance (found a nice silver one with park assist and audio upgrade)

Ohh Ohh Oh, DPF, should be ok though as it's a CR, best way to keep it clean is to drive 20 miles or so @ 65 mph, you want to burn it off not blow it out, blowing it just rams it into the filter harder, and makes regen harder, anyway, nice selection, and I hope it proves to be the car you imagine it to be, my MK1 was an awesome beast, I went from a believer to a preacher in a very short time, enjoy when it arrives, and don't forget to Kodak.

DSG servicing update

It's not as hard as ppl imagine, it's done @ 40k, you have a smaller element filter similar to the engine one on the top of the box, let the oil go by removing the plug, and then the level tube, refilling is the hard part, you replace the level plug and overfill the box, then you must run it through the gears and then check the level at the right temperature, you need Vag-Com for this to be exact, once this is done, you allow the overfill to run off and do the bung back up, normal cost is £180, sound expensive, but I think a conventional auto is as much for a fluid and filter change, plus you need 5 litres of magic DSG oil, the filter and a filling kit, we'll leave Vag-Com cost out of it right now eh, but in the end it makes sense to cough and have the stamp and the knowledge do it.

I do hope that this is true for you, as there are several issues with the DSG that are being covered by either recall or warranty repairs - great whilst it's still in warranty, but WILL cost the OWNER thousands once it has no warranty left on it.

320,000kms and counting. The box hasn't missed a beat yet. Its a PD140 remapped from new and it hasn't had its oil service in about 150,000kms...................I would say they are fairly durable !!

DSG is going to expensive to fix outside of warranty though I'd have thought

Of course there is also the fact that it needs to have extra oil services done with a special tool every so often and if these are not done there is no warranty on it, so there is even potential for extra cost in warranty.

Then there is the question of how do you start in second on a snowy/icy road in a DSG.

We've all been through this subject before I know, but during the recent bad weather in January I was absolutely amazed with the way the DSG box handled the ice ( mine has ESP ).