Hi all,

I'm thinking of tagging onto a group buy of a Sachs clutch kit which finishes this weekend but have a few questions before I do.

I know Timmy recently got his Sachs clutch fitted, has this bedded in any better yet Tim? also how was the old DMF did it need replacing or was it ok?

Carl I believe you have a Sachs clutch, did you need a new DMF or was it ok also how do you find the clutch for everyday driving?

Anybody else got any comments please feel free...

Edited 30 September, 201015 yr by martziniuk

I've got a sachs clutch on my TFSI....HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT

Oh dear :S why do you hate it?

The price is £392, I've read it's a fair bit heavier but does bed in and although harder than standard to use it still good??

Oh dear :S why do you hate it?

The price is £392, I've read it's a fair bit heavier but does bed in and although harder than standard to use it still good??

for what its worth i didnt eve realise carl or my mate mike had one in theirs until they told me, then i noticed the pedal is very slightly heavier, other than that no difference i could tell over my car

Are they both Sachs Sy?

Another option would be VWR's clutch.

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Are they both Sachs Sy?

Another option would be VWR's clutch.

they were both sahs clutch. not sur if carl replaced his DMF but my mate mike had te full shevang changed. i noticed no difference in pulling away, or biting point, and as said before i only really noticed it was slightly heavier when they mentioned it.

reference VWR clutch, they re specialists in getting performance parts from other manufacturers, rebranding them, and then selling them for more. VWR supplied ad fitted the sacs to my mate mikes cupra

Thanks Sy that's a big help.

I hate it because it is extremely ON or OFF.

Raise the clutch to find the biting point - nothing...nothing...BANG and you shoot forward.

F*cking hate it so much!!!!!

Edited 1 October, 201015 yr by Harry_vRS

Which forum is the GB on?

Steve

GB was on Vagoc but finished today, was for the diesels too. Well I've gone and bought the sachs one so I hope it's ok. I read quite a few reviews and some say it bites like normal just a bit stiffer to push others says it bites too quick like an on/off button. I intend on bedding it in well but ain't got a clue when I'll be getting it fitted.

I have replied to your other thread Martz but just to clarify for people on here.

The only difference between OEM & Sachs is that the pedal is stiffer. You don't notice it so much going from OEM to Sachs. It's going the other way. I drove a mate's vRS with an OEM clutch the other day and nearly pushed his pedal through the floor

Harry - If your clutch is On / Off and no in between as you say i would suggest either the clutch is faulty or it wasn't installed properly. It needs to be bedded in properly. When i got mine installed they kept the car for 2 days to bed it in for me.

GB was on Vagoc but finished today, was for the diesels too. Well I've gone and bought the sachs one so I hope it's ok. I read quite a few reviews and some say it bites like normal just a bit stiffer to push others says it bites too quick like an on/off button. I intend on bedding it in well but ain't got a clue when I'll be getting it fitted.

Ah well. Shame I didn't know about it sooner.

Have registered on there anyway...

Ah well. Shame I didn't know about it sooner.

Have registered on there anyway...

Aye I never knew about it until wednesday.

If anyones interested they have a GB on autotech internals @ £230inc delivery. I'm gonna bookmark this site, it's only a small forum but they seem to have a lot of group buys :yes:

I'll say this nice and loud for you….

GET THE APR PUMP.

Honestly i wouldn't trust the internals anymore. I know i have them but as i got one of the first ever batch they produced the quality was top notch. Since then they seem to have gone downhill. So much so that a couple of tuners now refuse to fit them and will only use the APR Pump.

I know the APR pump is expensive but it is worth it for peace of mind. If i was doing it again now then i would get the APR pump.

I will go off topic massively if i explain the problems with internals. But if you are going to get them then make sure you check your oil 3-4 times a week. If you see it rising then start worrying.

Edited 1 October, 201015 yr by vRSCarl

Yeah I used to have the Autotech internals.. ...but never fitted them cause I never thought I would go above stage 1 so I sold them

Funnily enough there is a secondhand APR pump for sale @ £580 inc bit rich for me though.

I'll say this nice and loud for you….

GET THE APR PUMP.

Honestly i wouldn't trust the internals anymore. I know i have them but as i got one of the first ever batch they produced the quality was top notch. Since then they seem to have gone downhill. So much so that a couple of tuners now refuse to fit them and will only use the APR Pump.

I know the APR pump is expensive but it is worth it for peace of mind. If i was doing it again now then i would get the APR pump.

I will go off topic massively if i explain the problems with internals. But if you are going to get them then make sure you check your oil 3-4 times a week. If you see it rising then start worrying.

carl that is ****** mate, plain and simple. im yet to have read of one person with autotech HPFP internals in the last 3 years that have had them fail. ivce read of the KMD ones failing.

at the enfd of the day, all thr APR pump is, is a standard pump with a set of internals that comes ready fitted. the only thing i can foresee as a benefit is that they do test them prior to sale. but thats a huge surcharge over a normal set.

id bet i could count on one hand the number of guys at stage 2+ on SCN/briskoda and the GTI forums with the APR pump, nearly everyone runs the autotech ones, so if they were dodgy, we would hear about it all the time

Edited 1 October, 201015 yr by janner_Sy

After a few teething problems with my Autotech internals, I've been running it for about 28k with no problems at all

honestly its all rumours started from a really old batch many moons ago. i will continue to believe so until i see a recent thread about an issue with the internals.

i use most of the VAG TFSI forums where the " what HPFP? questions pops up frequently, usually the same people bring up this "old issue" but no one ever posts about their own issues. which to me means one thing, they are working fine in everyones cars

Hi all,

I'm thinking of tagging onto a group buy of a Sachs clutch kit which finishes this weekend but have a few questions before I do.

I know Timmy recently got his Sachs clutch fitted, has this bedded in any better yet Tim? also how was the old DMF did it need replacing or was it ok?

Carl I believe you have a Sachs clutch, did you need a new DMF or was it ok also how do you find the clutch for everyday driving?

Anybody else got any comments please feel free...

Wotcha Mart - sorry didn't notice this thread was here.

No change in the clutch really, other than my left leg has got used to it a bit - only done a tankful of petrol since and was going to give it 2 tanks worth of bedding in before really abusing it, but a quick squirt on the dual carriageway earlier today gave me zero slip at the usual point in my journey where it is usually the worst. Not sure why but the car feels generally 'faster' - probably because I'm actively thinking about the gear changes rather than them happening naturally but quite an odd feeling.

Still having jerky gear changes due to the savage bite. Agree with Harry completely really - it is very on/off and bloody stiff - nothing like OEM at all. I have actually been enjoying the sensation when the car is moving, but getting out of junctions and very slow moving traffic is tiresome. M4 was a car park earlier today and that was a pain, though it's still quite happy rolling along in first gear with no throttle so as long as you leave a reasonable gap, leg fatigue can be kept to a minimum by treating it as an auto. Too early to give my overall opinion yet I think - it will ultimately be some kind of trade off between being able to use my power finally and the harshness of the clutch. My current commute won't be a problem, but if I had to sit in any real traffic on a daily basis how I used to, I would be looking for another car.

It is interesting to read Carl's experience given mine and Harrys, but spend some time searching around and our experience does seem to be the common impression people give. I drove my wife's Jazz back from town a couple of days ago after she'd had a drink and it was genuinely funny - reversing out of the parking space, I had to really think hard about letting the clutch out because I was pushing it down with so much force after driving the VRS - she found it hilarious, just a load of revs and no backwards motion

Didn't get any feedback on the state of the DMF and wouldn't know (or want, it's filthy) what to look out for. Again, if you read around the forums many people will budget for a new DMF along with the SACHS kit - piece of mind really. If you fit a nice shiny new Sachs clutch to a knacked DMF, you're going to be a) miserable and b ) broke when you realise what the problem is. It does however make for a very hefty bill when you factor everything in including labour and slave cyl etc.

Must have about 20k on my Autotech internals by now, with no issues. I did bottle it slightly and have them fitted to a spare fuel pump by JBS, but I did a _load_ of research beforehand (and couldn't persuade Ian to part with his APR pump at the time ) and found exactly the same situation as Sy describes: there were some early failures, but I could find zero sign of anything remotely recent yet the Autotechs are a very popular choice; if they still were causing problems, there would be forum posts all over the place. End of the day it's a personal choice I suppose - if money were no object, I would have bought the APR for the simple reason that I've never read of any failures. However, I was (and am) perfectly happy to go with Autotech at half the price.

Good tip from Carl though - presumably Carl this is because if it fails, fuel will be leaking in? I do check the oil every 2 weeks or so as I cover a fair few miles and mine has always liked a drink.

carl that is ****** mate, plain and simple.

Really Sy???

Then i suggest you speak to Keith at JKM on the RR day on the 16th. Ask him why only 1 in 4 pump internals passes the quality inspection by JKM themselves. Which is the reason why they refuse to fit it now. I can name about 6 people off the top of my head who had problems with the internals. So it not ******** at all.

Im not saying every single pump is bad as clearly they are not. But you have a 75% chance of getting a bad one. I bet you half the people who have them installed don't actually know there is something wrong. The only way you can tell is by getting a test done on your oil to see if it contains fuel. Or if the oil level starts to rise. You can do a crude test and you can tell by feel of the oil if it has fuel in it.

The problem the internals have does not affect performance. It will however affect the longevity of the engine if fuel is going where it shouldn't.

Just to clarify this for a few people. The internals will not fail (if installed correctly) however what happens is fuel can be pumped back into the engine where it shouldn't go so it gets mixed with the oil. The corrosive nature of the fuel then being mixed with oil (in effect thinning the oil out) will reduce the engine life by causing increased wear.

Sy - I know full well what an APR pump is. However you send your pump to APR (as they will put there internals in your pump) and see if it passes there quality inspection. I know a few people who have done and they have failed. You usually have to get a brand new pump from a dealer and send that to them for it to pass. iirc 1 in 3 pumps made by APR themselves fails there own quality insepctions and has to be rebuilt.

Read this link

http://www.goapr.com/products/fsi_fuel_pump.html

That details the process APR go through to make there own pumps.

Then read this from JKM

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tfsipumps.htm

So just to clarify if i were doing this again then i would get the APR for peace of mind. I have had the Internals myself for about 50k miles now with no issues.

Martz - Sorry to take the thread off topic. Just had to clarify what i was saying

Edited 2 October, 201015 yr by vRSCarl

Not probs Carl.

Thanks for the write up Tim, It sounds like some peeps have problems and some don't, maybe it's to do with how they are run in?

I'm not really sure how to run a clutch in other than take it easy.

JKM haven't fitted autotech HPFP internals since that dodgy batch reared its head. so i dont really buy this 75% chance geting a duff one as these so called statistics are probably well out of date. As they say, statistically, 75% of statistics are made up

i remember keith saying that another reason for changing was that after fitting they always tested the pumps kates golf, which took a lot of time and effort to do. so the APR pump with all its testing credentials was a better option.

Im not even going to entertain the APR thread. ive read more than enough APR stuff over the last few years reading about how everything that isn't APR is inferior quality. They irritate me with their sales jargon and tactics.

Until i start seeing recent threads or info about these 'failiures' i will continue to see them as 'old' batch issues and just rumours.

I do agree theyre reliability is hinged on being fitted correctly. which i why i never fitted mine myself

JKM haven't fitted autotech HPFP internals since that dodgy batch reared its head. so i dont really buy this 75% chance geting a duff one as these so called statistics are probably well out of date. As they say, statistically, 75% of statistics are made up

i remember keith saying that another reason for changing was that after fitting they always tested the pumps kates golf, which took a lot of time and effort to do. so the APR pump with all its testing credentials was a better option.

Im not even going to entertain the APR thread. ive read more than enough APR stuff over the last few years reading about how everything that isn't APR is inferior quality. They irritate me with their sales jargon and tactics.

Until i start seeing recent threads or info about these 'failiures' i will continue to see them as 'old' batch issues and just rumours.

I do agree theyre reliability is hinged on being fitted correctly. which i why i never fitted mine myself

Im going to have to butt in and say ive had 2 autotechs fail, and these were not from the dodgy early batch. On the other had ive had alot more KMD pumps fail and cause £1000's of damage. So stay well away from KMD's. Autotechs seem to be ok now, but i will never fit one of them on the KMD's again. APR all the way. Customer service from them of top unlike KMD etc. The main issue with autotech is the pumps are never available. I always have a least one brand new APR pump on the shelf.