Hey guys,

Most have you will have probably noticed the information on the VRS software development on Revo's fabebook page, well the company has now made it official:

http://www.revotechnik.com/index.php?mod=show_news&id_nws=59

Look at some of the quoted figures, I am slightly amazed at the 196bhp stock dyno!

It doesn't specifiy if this remap is with any other add-ons, such as induction kits, exhaust kits, etc.

Edited 10 March, 201115 yr by Stu vRS

Stage 1 is for a stock car.

My car made 194BHP stock on the Awesome rollers. Combination of over zealous rollers and underestimated book figues.

Stage 1 is for a stock car.

My car made 194BHP stock on the Awesome rollers. Combination of over zealous rollers and underestimated book figues.

nice..... would like to get mine on the rollers, see what it is stock..

are the still dismantling the ECU to map it?

£480 seems reasonable I guess.

Performance Mode 3:

99ron fuel in very good operating conditions

What's that supposed to mean? Over 15oC? Bad for cold mornings?

Interesting to see what this improves the 0-60 time to.

Edited 10 March, 201115 yr by Reavenger

PS & BHP figures are the wrong way round I think!?!

are the still dismantling the ECU to map it?

Yeah they have to open up the ECU in order to 'unlock it'. They say once unlocked can be mapped via OBDII port from there on.....

Don't think I fancy having the ECU opened just yet tho with mine only a week-old!

Yeah as the VRS is a little late to the game you get the new locked down ECU. Mine is the old ECU.

I here its still pretty much undetectable.

lets have a serious look at the graph. Stock Hp 196Hp is 16hp above stock figures. The stage 1 output is about 13hp more than the normal revo quoted output. (the likes of APR, GIAC etc all quote around 205hp for stage 1 by the way)

what you have there is a grossly over reading dyno. I spoke to REVO about a week ago about the stage 2 software and they mentioned these figures to me and said the same thing. They dont believe the figures, only that it gives a 32Hp/21lbft gain over stock.

I also agree with vRS doug that the PS and Bhp numbers are the wrong way around. PS is always larger than Bhp

what you have there is a stage 1 output in the region of 212hp

Ill be getting mine mapped much sooner than originally planned. Not by REVO though.....

Edited 10 March, 201115 yr by janner_Sy

lets have a serious look at the graph. Stock Hp 196Hp is 16hp above stock figures. The stage 1 output is about 13hp more than the normal revo quoted output. (the likes of APR, GIAC etc all quote around 205hp for stage 1 by the way)

what you have there is a grossly over reading dyno. I spoke to REVO about a week ago about the stage 2 software and they mentioned these figures to me and said the same thing. They dont believe the figures, only that it gives a 32Hp/21lbft gain over stock.

I also agree with vRS doug that the PS and Bhp numbers are the wrong way around. PS is always larger than Bhp

what you have there is a stage 1 output in the region of 212hp

Ill be getting mine mapped much sooner than originally planned. Not by REVO though.....

who is going to do your map? and why would you prefere them? (just gauging the market )

Ill be getting mine mapped much sooner than originally planned. Not by REVO though.....

Just out of interest have you taken delivery yet Janner?

Like you was thinking of re-mapping straight away but now I'm driving around in it I'm not at all convinced it needs doing ASAP to be honest. Thought the 180 brake would seem abit weedy after my Focus but not so. Think it will take at least 12 months before I'm used to/bored with the power and will be hankering after an upgrade....

Not sure what it is with the new fab vRS but when driving it just seems to massage all thoughts of ragging it out of your head (see thread on 'driving vRS at maximum). :S

p.s who were you thinking of going with for the remap?

who is going to do your map? and why would you prefere them? (just gauging the market )

i shall stay in the weeds for the minute with my choosing. however the reason im erring away from REVO is their customer service is lacking in the event of a fault, IMO of course. Ive read to many instances of guys with faults and REVOs default answer is its not the map its a boost leak. Even when they have their own dealers telling them its thier map they still wont accept it. the guy in the example above is moving away fromthem himself now, after being a REVO user for prob 4 years plus.

I will accept that REVO often lead the Hp figures int he market, but i always wonder if they push to far, i know of a few tuners who think so, buts thats potentially competitive talk, so needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Id rather sacrifice maybe 5-10hp but have more longevity. So say 205hp qwith just a map, nice reserved settings. add an intake and id bet theres another 8-10hp to be gained there, just by freeing up the ingress of cold air

Just out of interest have you taken delivery yet Janner?

Like you was thinking of re-mapping straight away but now I'm driving around in it I'm not at all convinced it needs doing ASAP to be honest. Thought the 180 brake would seem abit weedy after my Focus but not so. Think it will take at least 12 months before I'm used to/bored with the power and will be hankering after an upgrade....

Not sure what it is with the new fab vRS but when driving it just seems to massage all thoughts of ragging it out of your head (see thread on 'driving vRS at maximum). :S

i think it needs the remap personally. from the octavia i noticed a huge difference in the midrange. i know what you mean about the chill out factor in the car. I think a car needs it, nothing worse than a car which neds to be ragged to do anything or feel good. I just want a car that when i hit a track or windy stretch of road can hold its own with the likes of a Clio 200.

The wya i see it the clio 200 is the bench mark. If i can fit some good wider 215 or 225 sticky tyres, a rear ARB and lowering springs along with the remap and a brake upgrade i reckon i could happily latch onto a Clio on track. yet ill have none of the drawbacks of clio ownership

i shall stay in the weeds for the minute with my choosing. however the reason im erring away from REVO is their customer service is lacking in the event of a fault, IMO of course. Ive read to many instances of guys with faults and REVOs default answer is its not the map its a boost leak. Even when they have their own dealers telling them its thier map they still wont accept it. the guy in the example above is moving away fromthem himself now, after being a REVO user for prob 4 years plus.

I will accept that REVO often lead the Hp figures int he market, but i always wonder if they push to far, i know of a few tuners who think so, buts thats potentially competitive talk, so needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Id rather sacrifice maybe 5-10hp but have more longevity. So say 205hp qwith just a map, nice reserved settings. add an intake and id bet theres another 8-10hp to be gained there, just by freeing up the ingress of cold air

I did this with the fiat, mapped by angel, reddot had the headline figures, but if you looked at the RR graphs the angel map had more power for more of the time, instead of the impressive figures peak... it was more driveable (and I did 107k without it blowing up, always a bonus)

i think it needs the remap personally. from the octavia i noticed a huge difference in the midrange. i know what you mean about the chill out factor in the car. I think a car needs it, nothing worse than a car which neds to be ragged to do anything or feel good. I just want a car that when i hit a track or windy stretch of road can hold its own with the likes of a Clio 200.

The wya i see it the clio 200 is the bench mark. If i can fit some good wider 215 or 225 sticky tyres, a rear ARB and lowering springs along with the remap and a brake upgrade i reckon i could happily latch onto a Clio on track. yet ill have none of the drawbacks of clio ownership

like furbytom, I'm not hankering after ir either... talking just about the power (and not handling) and hence talking about the remap, autoexpress tested the polo GTI against the clio 200 and the corsa VXR (and some other more powerful hatch, can't remember which) and the polo beat them all to 60 mph... including the clio... assuming you are NOT going to drive a 3 figure speeds, I don't see why it wouldn't hold its own without the remap...

like furbytom, I'm not hankering after ir either... talking just about the power (and not handling) and hence talking about the remap, autoexpress tested the polo GTI against the clio 200 and the corsa VXR (and some other more powerful hatch, can't remember which) and the polo beat them all to 60 mph... including the clio... assuming you are NOT going to drive a 3 figure speeds, I don't see why it wouldn't hold its own without the remap...

i think the key element there is the DSG helped it off the line efficiently, where as the others had to modulate both cltch and acceelrator to make any ground. its the in gear times where you will notice, also you need the power advantage over the clio to cancel out the chassis advantage it has.

Plus on track you'll quite easily break the 100mph barrier.

also 0-60 is not a measure of a cars performance. in gear acceleration times are where it counts on the road in everyday life. traffic light granpirxs are for saxo and corsa drivers

Edited 10 March, 201115 yr by janner_Sy

assuming you are NOT going to drive a 3 figure speeds, I don't see why it wouldn't hold its own without the remap...

+1. Its the clio which would have to be ragging it to keep up with the fabia in most situations as the vRS has more torque and available much lower down the rev range .

Clio has to be driven full-bore to get the best from it but the fabia doesn't .

ive driven both, and i bought the fabia for that very reason, but irrelevant of that, the CLlio is so much better to drive. there isnt anything FWD on the market that can equal it un-modified. power isnt everything, but it sure does help cancel out the Clio's trump card.

Either way, im remapping the car because i thought it was gutless n the midrange. no where near as gutless as the clio's NA 2.o, but gutless none the less.

stage 1 with some tastefull chassis tweaks and ill be ready for the impending track season

i think the key element there is the DSG helped it off the line efficiently, where as the others had to modulate both cltch and acceelrator to make any ground. its the in gear times where you will notice, also you need the power advantage over the clio to cancel out the chassis advantage it has.

Plus on track you'll quite easily break the 100mph barrier.

also 0-60 is not a measure of a cars performance. in gear acceleration times are where it counts on the road in everyday life. traffic light granpirxs are for saxo and corsa drivers

I disagree (not with the 0-60 bit, you are of course, right there, maybe I didn't make my point properly) the supercharger gives this engine a very flexible power band, much more than the very high revving lower torque clio, (the in gear times of that test are not representitive due to the wierd ratios in the 7 speed DSG compaired to a "conventional " gearbox) if you were in the clio and me following in the vRS, using the paddles, although you would have superior handling, the vRS would still have an engine that is "on power" on average for more time,with better flexibility, coupled with using the paddles on the DSG for quicker changes, I can't see you getting away.... this is real road situation...

as for the track, I think we both agree the clio would muller it

Edited 10 March, 201115 yr by sharkrider

ive driven both, and i bought the fabia for that very reason, but irrelevant of that, the CLlio is so much better to drive. there isnt anything FWD on the market that can equal it un-modified. power isnt everything, but it sure does help cancel out the Clio's trump card.

Either way, im remapping the car because i thought it was gutless n the midrange. no where near as gutless as the clio's NA 2.o, but gutless none the less.

stage 1 with some tastefull chassis tweaks and ill be ready for the impending track season

and don't get me wrong, I will watch your progress carefully, I may get the remap bug yet