Not sure if im just prone to this but I have now done a record of 3 360 degree spins in my vRS going at 20 mph, admittadly one was my own fault for not looking where I was going. Luckily all 3 were on a small B road near where I live and no damage was done as the car just spun, then kept going like it'd never happened :eek:

I'm definately going to stick to snowballing

lol not even had a slide yet

As a matter of interest would esp prevent this?

You must have provoked it as it wouldnt do that on its own!

As a matter of interest would esp prevent this?

4 wheel drive would stop it

ESP and 4wd work well together, can't comment on 2wd and ESP.

ESP and 4wd work well together, can't comment on 2wd and ESP.

i would have thought braking the rear wheels in snow would be a disaster (my manual "panic handle" ESP simulation proved that)

The "W" rated tyres are sh!te in the snow.

i would have thought braking the rear wheels in snow would be a disaster (my manual "panic handle" ESP simulation proved that)

ESP's "aim" is to turn the car to the direction it thinks you want to go, based on your steering wheel position.

In understeer, it will brake a rear inside wheel, and the turning force between that and the power at the opposite front will rotate the car. This is the same for a 2wd car..

However, for oversteer, which is more prevalent in snow, it will brake a front outer wheel, but still has power at the opposite rear corner, thus still having two "turning force" points, this is not the case with 2wd and ESP so I suspect would not be as effective as the understeer scenario.

Imagine opening a bottle top with finger and thumb, then try and do it with just a finger, it's possible but takes longer and more force.

Oh and your panic handle locks both rear wheels, ESP can gently brake any wheel individually.

Not sure if im just prone to this but I have now done a record of 3 360 degree spins in my vRS going at 20 mph' date=' admittadly one was my own fault for not looking where I was going. Luckily all 3 were on a small B road near where I live and no damage was done as the car just spun, then kept going like it'd never happened :eek:

I'm definately going to stick to snowballing [/quote']

at such low speed, hmm, didn't have it in 2nd did you - lots of revs?

That's why winter-tyres do make sense, even in Western-Europe.

Not a single spin yet all winter with my Bridgestone Blizzak 18's

ESP's "aim" is to turn the car to the direction it thinks you want to go, based on your steering wheel position.

Maybe it needs to have a good look round through 360 degrees before it makes its mind up.

Maybe it needs to have a good look round through 360 degrees before it makes its mind up.

It did that once, had a go at finetuning it the second time round, and perfected it on the third 360

Driving my Furby in the snow this week has been brilliant, absolutely no trouble at all with no ESP and on the standard michelins. That said, my frame of reference is my fettled 200SX with paddle clutch and bald rear tyres last time we had proper snow :thumbdwn: but the Furby's no bother at all, so long as you don't steer sharply the heavy nose is actually a plus it seems...