I've been on a few brisk runs with Sharkrider and his standard mk2.

His car quite easily pulls away from my mapped mk1, it's not massively quicker, but it does pull away.

I've also been behind another mapped mk1 on the same run and I was slightly gaining on him, Dave was still pulling away from both of us.

No question a mk2 is faster. DSG definitely helps, and the XDS means you can apply power through a corner without cocking everything up.

I remember those runs was good fun.. and you are right, traction and DSG probably make the difference, we must have similar power to weight ratios.... but getting the power down before you are straight, and always being in the right gear on top of the best part of the power band, that gives it an edge...

Just an update to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as I thought one or two of you would be interested. My nephew has two TSI twin charged engined cars in his workshop at the moment. Both recovered in the week before xmas. One a Vrs, and the other a Golf. The Golf has a seized engine I understand. VW have given the go ahead for the work to be done to find out what's wrong. The bodywork is also damaged and it needs extensive work on that too. The seizure caused an accident, but no one hurt. The whole process has to be photographed and verified by VW. The Vrs has a shot supercharger so I'm told but don't yet know the precise details. The engine itself seems to be fine which is something to be grateful for.

Am looking to downsize from my octy cr vrs but dont want a petrol atried a monte carlo and its not got enough ummph after a CR170 vrs has any one heard of any rumours assosiated with the diesil vrs coming back/. I notice audi have put the 140 diesil in there A1 so who knows your thoughts would be greatly appreciated

Due to new EU emissions regulations Skoda are no longer putting diesels in small cars as the system designed to meet these new regulations would not benefit a small car.

Just an update to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as I thought one or two of you would be interested. My nephew has two TSI twin charged engined cars in his workshop at the moment. Both recovered in the week before xmas. One a Vrs, and the other a Golf. The Golf has a seized engine I understand. VW have given the go ahead for the work to be done to find out what's wrong. The bodywork is also damaged and it needs extensive work on that too. The seizure caused an accident, but no one hurt. The whole process has to be photographed and verified by VW. The Vrs has a shot supercharger so I'm told but don't yet know the precise details. The engine itself seems to be fine which is something to be grateful for.

My Sister has a £50k BMW with a serious engine problem in the main dealers as we speak. The car is 14 months old. She has had a courtesy car for 2 weeks and apparently this isn't the first time this models engine has been unreliable.

Suppose it happens to all cars if you look into it enough.

Due to new EU emissions regulations Skoda are no longer putting diesels in small cars as the system designed to meet these new regulations would not benefit a small car.

What do you define as a small car?

Several car makers have not made Ford KA sized diesel cars... ever.

Just an update to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as I thought one or two of you would be interested. My nephew has two TSI twin charged engined cars in his workshop at the moment. Both recovered in the week before xmas. One a Vrs, and the other a Golf. The Golf has a seized engine I understand. VW have given the go ahead for the work to be done to find out what's wrong. The bodywork is also damaged and it needs extensive work on that too. The seizure caused an accident, but no one hurt. The whole process has to be photographed and verified by VW. The Vrs has a shot supercharger so I'm told but don't yet know the precise details. The engine itself seems to be fine which is something to be grateful for.

Although I have run several vag diesels over 30 years of motoring, the well-documented PD-engine run-away-engine-drinking-my-own-sump-oil problem, which happened to a horrified colleagues Octavia, combined with the great-but-spoilt-by-the-DPF-nonsense CR-engine will keep me away from them for the foreseeable.

However it would now seem I am about to hit the inside of my own windscreen when my TSi seizes and I can't de-clutch due to not having a 3rd pedal.

Gee Thanks Estateman for destroying what faith I had left in these products!

Due to new EU emissions regulations Skoda are no longer putting diesels in small cars as the system designed to meet these new regulations would not benefit a small car.

Well not quite true, I class the Fabia as a small car but there is a full range of diesel engines on offer and these will be updated with Euro6 engines in good time. This year there are many many new small to medium sized diesel cars coming onto the market with new Euro6 compliant diesel engines. Some already are on sale with the new specs (Nox cat). There are new cars being sold now with Euro6 compliant diesels in them which also nearly meet the new regs of Euro7 in 2019 (I think that's the date). But from 2019 there could be a small change in whats on offer but I don't think most of us will notice much difference in what is on the market. There will be better petrol and diesel cars at that time I'm sure. Diesels make up many more sales for many manufacturers than petrol engine sales (eg. Audi sales = 60% diesel 40% petrol, and it's similar for VW & Skoda I believe). In view of the EU directives on CO2 and our own governments stance on CO2 which has made it plain that diesel engines must play a big part in reducing our CO2, you can see why the manufacturers are not keen to stop R&D on diesels. No one wants to blink first and lose valuable sales in spite of all the rather political posturing that has gone on about future diesel emissions and cost of meeting those specs. At the end of the day it's easy to comply with Euo6 and even Euro7 and the cost really isn't that great. With the best will in the world, the lovely new TSI type petrol engines and other Turbo engines won't actually compete with real world driving mpg's of diesels and their very much lower CO2 production, especially the new crop that are planned, good though the Turbo units are and they will no doubt, like the diesels continue to get better. I find it all very interesting.

Latte, I don't think you should be particularly worried about your car. But when buying a high performance vehicle such as the Vrs with such a complex engine you must expect that there is a greater chance it could go wrong. These problems seem to often stem from manufacturing problems and the difficulties encountered in producing consistent 'fits & limits' on such an engine. This is a problem encountered by all manufacturers at some point and is a major factor in the forthcoming demise of the engine and the uptake of the newer turbo technology which is now just as good as twin charged but much less complex as you prolly know. In actuality I don't think there are huge numbers of cars with the twin charger engine that encounter too many problems, but I personally wouldn't want one out of warranty. :no:

Well not quite true, I class the Fabia as a small car but there is a full range of diesel engines on offer and these will be updated with Euro6 engines in good time. This year there are many many new small to medium sized diesel cars coming onto the market with new Euro6 compliant diesel engines. Some already are on sale with the new specs (Nox cat). There are new cars being sold now with Euro6 compliant diesels in them which also nearly meet the new regs of Euro7 in 2019 (I think that's the date). But from 2019 there could be a small change in whats on offer but I don't think most of us will notice much difference in what is on the market. There will be better petrol and diesel cars at that time I'm sure. Diesels make up many more sales for many manufacturers than petrol engine sales (eg. Audi sales = 60% diesel 40% petrol, and it's similar for VW & Skoda I believe). In view of the EU directives on CO2 and our own governments stance on CO2 which has made it plain that diesel engines must play a big part in reducing our CO2, you can see why the manufacturers are not keen to stop R&D on diesels. No one wants to blink first and lose valuable sales in spite of all the rather political posturing that has gone on about future diesel emissions and cost of meeting those specs. At the end of the day it's easy to comply with Euo6 and even Euro7 and the cost really isn't that great. With the best will in the world, the lovely new TSI type petrol engines and other Turbo engines won't actually compete with real world driving mpg's of diesels and their very much lower CO2 production, especially the new crop that are planned, good though the Turbo units are and they will no doubt, like the diesels continue to get better. I find it all very interesting.

Latte, I don't think you should be particularly worried about your car. But when buying a high performance vehicle such as the Vrs with such a complex engine you must expect that there is a greater chance it could go wrong. These problems seem to often stem from manufacturing problems and the difficulties encountered in producing consistent 'fits & limits' on such an engine. This is a problem encountered by all manufacturers at some point and is a major factor in the forthcoming demise of the engine and the uptake of the newer turbo technology which is now just as good as twin charged but much less complex as you prolly know. In actuality I don't think there are huge numbers of cars with the twin charger engine that encounter too many problems, but I personally wouldn't want one out of warranty. :no:

Skoda have assured us they will not be putting diesel engines into cars any smaller than the octavia for the reason i just mentioned i have got a full write up somwere

mentioning what modles and when its coming into play ect, if you'de require that?

Edited 9 January, 201214 yr by Kie

Skoda have assured us they will not be putting diesel engines into cars any smaller than the octavia for the reason i just mentioned i have got a full write up somwere

mentioning what modles and when its coming into play ect, if you'de require that?

That would be interesting.

Hi Kie, yeah, would like to see that. I'm wondering if the article is relating to the Euro7 changes from 2019? I've been told the Euro6 Fabia diesels will be here is good time by my Skoda contact, who hopefully is not getting it wrong. I'm not sure it would make sense for them to not meet Euro6 as the new release of small diesels coming onto the market from various manufacturers will be Euro6 this year and there are many on the road now that are already Euro6. Just can't see the VAG group jeopardising there huge sales of diesel engines when many other manufacturers are and will still be offering them. Guess time will tell.

Hi Kie, yeah, would like to see that. I'm wondering if the article is relating to the Euro7 changes from 2019? I've been told the Euro6 Fabia diesels will be here is good time by my Skoda contact, who hopefully is not getting it wrong. I'm not sure it would make sense for them to not meet Euro6 as the new release of small diesels coming onto the market from various manufacturers will be Euro6 this year and there are many on the road now that are already Euro6. Just can't see the VAG group jeopardising there huge sales of diesel engines when many other manufacturers are and will still be offering them. Guess time will tell.

Ive just had a quick scan for you.prbly going to take longer then i thought lol.. but im not sure exactly when it is year wise but i was i was on the understanding that it was in the new modles after the shape thats out now, because there are engines that are still in production as we speak for the fabia (they havnt canceld production) so you could be right with the new law coming in 2019..

ill keep looking

Audi bring A1 s line diesel 17 k out 1.6 crtdi, the new VRS diesel ??

Audi bring A1 s line diesel 17 k out 1.6 crtdi, the new VRS diesel ??

Possibly, only it's not a VRS... or made by Skoda.

Maybe it'll go in the mkIII Fabia which will have moved on to a new platform from the current one it's still using since pre-2000.

Posted this thread a while back.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/216904-skoda-could-stop-providing-a-diesel-option/page__p__2552979#entry2552979

Possibly, only it's not a VRS... or made by Skoda.

Maybe it'll go in the mkIII Fabia which will have moved on to a new platform from the current one it's still using since pre-2000.

Aye but if Audi is putting it in a s- line , so in theory when the fabia eventually goes onto the A1 platform? Could be the new VRS diesel surely must wonder

Aye but if Audi is putting it in a s- line , so in theory when the fabia eventually goes onto the A1 platform? Could be the new VRS diesel surely must wonder

Yeh but audi are aslo making a S1 256bhp quattro.. cant see skoda following that :wonder:

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Yeh but audi are aslo making a S1 256bhp quattro.. cant see skoda following that :wonder:

Maybe?

I don't have a problem with the new fab vrs but I fail to see what the hype is about especially people saying how quick it is lol I test drove one and was very very disapointed. I thought it would have went like a scalded cat lol but was merely average in every area. IMO if course. And those saying its faster than a mapped mk1 not that you should be comparing them but i completely disagree, there would be no more than a car length max for either car dependant upon driver

To be honest, a single brief test drive is not sufficient to pass an opinion such as above.

Trust me, it's a very quick car, but the DSG takes some getting used to.

It took me a while and I have driven everything in over 50 years motoring.

Regards

Tony

That's +1 for the very fast bit! And I have bikes that go 0-62mph in 2.57 seconds, but even I was impressed with the Mk2 VRs. Nice motor!