06Superb Engine Bay Pictures needed

[Mark716]

Hi

My first posting!

I've picked up an 06 superb for next to nothing great condition but for one problem. The engine has let go a valve and a full rebuild is necessary which I have in hand. Part of the engine was dismantled before I got the car and need to know where everything goes.

Could someone post me some engine bay pictures of an 06 2.0tdi to help me in the rebuild process.

I've read about the oil pump problems so special attention is being made to the fitting of a new oil pump along with anything else which needs to be updated.

The engine is the BSS model which was only fitted to this model. Does anyone have any other recommendations or issues I might come across during the rebuild?

Regards

Mark716

[rotodiesel]

I would be very reluctant to spend time rebuilding an engine with a serious design fault. A 2.0 PD Superb needs to be crunched.

If you must, you need far more information than the location of various parts - many fixings are torque to yield and are single use. Various adjustments are critical and these engines will not tolerate poor assembly.

To answer your question directly, EKTA diagrams are clear and fully accurate and give the locations of the various parts. Google.

rotodiesel.

[Mark716]

I would be very reluctant to spend time rebuilding an engine with a serious design fault. A 2.0 PD Superb needs to be crunched.

If you must, you need far more information than the location of various parts - many fixings are torque to yield and are single use. Various adjustments are critical and these engines will not tolerate poor assembly.

To answer your question directly, EKTA diagrams are clear and fully accurate and give the locations of the various parts. Google.

rotodiesel.

[Mark716]

I'm happy to take the risk. My choice I suppose. The rebuild is with a OEM rebuild company so once complete I'll be taking out a warranty so I should be covered for future problems. Like I said, the car was basically cost me nothing.

It seems this isn't the only VAG motor which has the oil pump problem. A relative of mine had a 09 passat with 85k miles which also had an oil pump failure. Maybe I'm wrong but forums really highlight the cars that fail but there aren't any figures for cars that operate without problems? All I can do is make sure the build is meticulous, the right oils and fluids are used and I cover myself with a good warranty.

Thanks for the pointer to engine bay pictures.

Kind regards

Mark716

[Mark716]

I can't seem to get any response from the vagcat site administrators? Ive registered but no response? Does anyone have a login and password I can use?

Also does anyone have the cost of a new balancer shaft for the PD BSS engine? Heard the newer updated spec is better - concentric - compared to the originals? Anyone have any idea of what to fix on the oil pump locator shaft? Can anything be retro engineered?

Regards

Mark716

[Bodie]

pretty sure vagcat dosnt cover the 2.0 superb engine dosnt list anything newer than 2005

[Mark716]

Yes you are right. I can navigate but dont have access to the main files which is disappointing. Anything is better than nothing especially for the general layout of stuff under the bonnet.

Regards

Mark

[Mark716]

Just spent a few hours with an after sales guy who kindly took me through all of the recalls for my Superb

- No recalls or technical bulletins on the oil pump! That dealer has only had one car with an oil pump failure and that was due to poor maintenance/not changing oil.

- Reported problems on cam followers failing/high wear rates if oil isn't the long life type which is needed due to the higher temps the PD engine operates at.

- Water ingress if plenum blocked. Typically reported as an interior light not working. Fix is to unblock and refit sponge filter with rubber seal.

- No reported valve failures - maybe I was unlucky?

- No reported balancer shaft modification on my engine.

- Maybe earlier cars but we couldn't see anything on the 06 versions

So, happy to spend a few pounds getting the engine fixed. Time will tell if it's the right decision

Regards

Mark716

[Cown]

Dude most errors experienced by us, the owners/buyers, will never be admitted by Volkswagen, that's why the guy haven't heard anything. Read this forum and you will know the real truth about the cars. Of course an error will not intentionally happen, but myself, personally, have quiet a few friends, who got "unlucky" with the 2.0 PD engine with dead oil pumps.

I trust my friends and my own eyes, not any dealer who says otherwise.

[fat bloke]

hi mark discs arein the post mate

[Mark716]

Dude most errors experienced by us, the owners/buyers, will never be admitted by Volkswagen, that's why the guy haven't heard anything. Read this forum and you will know the real truth about the cars. Of course an error will not intentionally happen, but myself, personally, have quiet a few friends, who got "unlucky" with the 2.0 PD engine with dead oil pumps.

I trust my friends and my own eyes, not any dealer who says otherwise.

I fully understand your comments, Cown.

My main car is Saab 95 Aero Estate. The Saab forums are full of doom and gloom with the B235R engine that's fitted with. Sludge through using wrong oil, engines failing as a consequence, turbos, etc. That said, I've had 2 of them from new and they have both been excellent. I am meticulous with servicing and preventative work so maybe that's the key. I also have a good relationship with my dealer who I do trust. Whether the guy at the Skoda dealership is as trust worthy, time will tell, but he wasn't 'closed' in any of his responses or from their own particular records. As I said when I started this thread, I've effectively been given a 06 car for nothing! If I get a year or two motoring from what I'm prepared to outlay and purchase a yearly warranty, I don't think it is a bad investment really. When I've trawled the forum, VAG motors in general aren't the panacea everyone thinks. I've also had a relative who had a late Passat that was written off because of an oil pump failure. His company still bought another one!

I wonder if heat is a factor for failing oil pumps on this motor? I've been told that the PD engine runs a lot hotter than the CR motors and oil is critical? Wrong oil and heat sounds like a disaster in the waiting. I always half the manufacturers oil change recommendations. Always have and always will. Just me!

If something goes wrong in the future though, I'll be the first to whinge and moan.

Regards,

Mark716

Edited 9 January, 2012 by Mark716

[Robbo Cop]

Hi Mark,

Don't do it man, get rid of it..

Best of luck,

Rob

[Gizmo]

Hi Mark,

Don't do it man, get rid of it..

+1

OT but i had to smile to myself when I saw on another VAG forum an 2005 Audi A4 being advertised "Powered by the sought after 140ps Turbo diesel engine"

[rotodiesel]

It's torsional oscillation in the oil pump drive caused by the balancer weights which causes the problem. VAG mothercare department specified a hex shaft to couple the pump rotor to the slave balancer shaft - normal design practice. However...

The engineer responsible, rather than specifying a hexagonal hole with adequate engagement in the slave balancer shaft for the hex coupling (with appropriate slack to accommodate axial and angular misalignment) designed 6 shallow grooves in the slave shaft for the corners of the hex shaft to engage. After a few hundred hours of "out of balance washing machine" syndrome, the obvious happens - the corners all round off the drive. The radial engagement is only about 0.5mm so it will always eventually fail - how long probably depends on the alignment tolerances of the particular engine and how long it spends at a resonant speed. Engine death immediately follows.

The 1.9 has a chain drive to the pump with no balancer shafts. There are therefore no induced torsionals other than those inherent in the engine (second order 4F2) and these are damped by the pump itself which has no coupling. Consequently oil pump drive failures are almost unknown on the 1.9 PD.

I suspect all of the competent VAG engineers were working on the CR engines when this mothercare masterpiece was being designed. In fact, they had two goes at it and the first (chain drive to the balancers) was a complete c o c k up. Ask anyone with an early N-S 2.0 PD Audi...

VAG as usual bent over backwards to help their poor customers with wrecked engines.

rotodiesel.

Edited 9 January, 2012 by rotodiesel

[Robbo Cop]

...........As Roto correctly said, "don't do it".....!

Robbo

[Mark716]

Tempting fate but everything is running well apart from a PAS pump which is noisy.

65mpg at 70mph is typical so far.....how does this compare with other forum members?

Warranty in place just in case

Generally, the engine runs smooth for a diesel and is smoke free. Chucked out plumes of smoke on startup but the exhaust was caked and all the manifolds and related pipe work had been thoroughly flushed before assembly.

So.....where's the cheapest place for PAS pumps?

Regards

Mark716