Having now spent time a proper amount of time driving the new fabia it got me wondering about improving it.

While the extra horses and torques of the Jabba remap on the red car are lovely, they are not insurance friendly.

Given the standard map is pretty poor and that insurance companies only tend to ask "what is the percentage increase of power of the remap?" would it be possible to apply a remap that leaves the power at 130 but has a much smoother more progressive curve to it? and potentially more torque?

Surely it can only be a win win situation?

Having now spent time a proper amount of time driving the new fabia it got me wondering about improving it.

While the extra horses and torques of the Jabba remap on the red car are lovely, they are not insurance friendly.

Given the standard map is pretty poor and that insurance companies only tend to ask "what is the percentage increase of power of the remap?" would it be possible to apply a remap that leaves the power at 130 but has a much smoother more progressive curve to it? and potentially more torque?

Surely it can only be a win win situation?

I *think* this can be done - For example my Audi would only ever gain 10bhp if given a remap... However the power would be more instant. That's what I was told - I'm sure a few members will confirm.

In using my geek logic it's just a case of altering the map to suit.

Exactly.

If the mappers can limit torque to save clutches surely they could limit power but give a much smoother more progressive curve that the standard car could do with

Funny was thinking of this recently.

Yeah very easily done. Just a case of increasing the power lower down and also past 4k as that's where it drops of. Result would be the 130bhp but pretty much across the whole rev range.

Might have a go this week. Not got access to a Dyno but can use vcds to give a rough idea of the power band.

In using my geek logic it's just a case of altering the map to suit.

Just a case of tweaking the request fuel maps.

Yeah it's possible, companies like Motech have been doing eco maps for sometime now.

And i assume insruance companies wouldn't need informing cos as far as they are concerned nothing has changed?

hmmmm interesting.....

The company that did my car pushed it upwards of 175+ apparently need to find out still, but it shows! BUT it's a very smooth map and has to be much less aggressive than a standard map even in lower gears also stays on boost up to around 4500rpm givingr that little extra in each gear it's also been made a he'll of a lot easier to have a little blast from the lights instead of all that wheel spin in 1st and 2nd it's capped it off a bit (no too much mind still does it)?and then for me the fabias best gear 3rd it just flys and it shows!

Totally in agreement with the stock mapping mr pasty, it's awful. I too have pondered if such a map was possible, certainly work asking about! It'd make driving about normally much smoother and nicer, along with a nice big dollop of extra mpg I should think.

And i assume insruance companies wouldn't need informing cos as far as they are concerned nothing has changed?

hmmmm interesting.....

It's a modification, so you have to inform your insurance company. If it improves the performance, you have to declare that too - even if the peak bhp/torques are unchanged.

ECO maps are not exempt - there are no exemptions

It's a modification, so you have to inform your insurance company. If it improves the performance, you have to declare that too - even if the peak bhp/torques are unchanged.

ECO maps are not exempt - there are no exemptions

Do you inform insurance if we carry out an ECU update at a dealer? Doesn't increase power but may change engine parameters to improve certain things.

Do you inform insurance if we carry out an ECU update at a dealer? Doesn't increase power but may change engine parameters to improve certain things.

No - but I would consider that to be a repair/fix and whilst I have never asked an insurance company, I would expect them to take the same view.

When we do an ECU update, it may fix a performance problem but only returns the car to it's intended performance.

If I declare a remap to mu insures they ask what power, if there is no power increase then there is nothing to declare lol.

Each company will be different but after saying its been mapped the question "how much power" will normally follow, which is the one that adds the money.

The law is changing (within the next year) so that it will be up to the insurer to ask pertinent questions about such items.

As it stands today, you have duty to disclose all material facts - even about things that the insurance company doesn't specifically ask a question about.

So if the peak torque/bhp remains the same, but the low end performance is increased you must offer up this information.

If you tell them that you have a remap that improves MPG and low end performance, and they say there is no increase in premium, based on no increase in peak power, then that is fine.

I think that's more the point of this tbh. Iv never added a remap on a policy and not been asked what power it makes.

Do you inform insurance if we carry out an ECU update at a dealer? Doesn't increase power but may change engine parameters to improve certain things.

It's a dealer level ECU update, no insurance company is going to object to that, a dealer supplied remap or a map from a third party no matter how it's marketed will bother them. From personal experience you declare *everything* and let your insurance company decide what they want to do. My last car had photo's and details of every modification carried out on file with the insurer, most of the time they weren't bothered but the remap added to the premium as did the exhaust and suspension, things like uprated bushes and the retrofitted leather,larger IC's etc (it was almost a rolling Forge advert) didn't attract a premium increase but were noted.