The Leon really does have an odd rear end.

If they'd made a Cupra R version of the Toledo, that would have been interesting... stiffer bodyshell from the outset. Apparently the same is true with the Bora and Golf, Bora makes a miles better performance vehicle due to the massively stiffer back end.

Octavia sits somewhere between puddingy Golf/Leon and erection-stiff Bora/Toledo. Good compromise.

If they'd made a Cupra R version of the Toledo..

Seat Toledo GT Suit you ?

Toledo DTM car ?

Now you're talking!!

The 2.3 V5, although charismatic, was a disservice to the car. 170bhp but it didn't feel like it- too lazy.

Bora 2.8 V6 4Motions still get me slightly warm under the collar though...

Isn't that why the vrs has the braces? What's the golf and vrs stiffness?

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I don't know the exact torsional rigidity, but I can tell you from experience that the Golf is as saggy as a 70 year old woman's tits. Depends on variant, obviously. The R32 is obviously very good.

Just noticed the new kia rear has the same looking rear end at the Leon lol

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They did a rare 180BHP AUQ engined toledo iirc. It was called a Toledo Sport 180. There's only a couple of them on SCN.

If they did the toledo with the Leon Cupra 4 (4WD, VR6) running gear, it would have been immense!

If they did the toledo with the Leon Cupra 4 (4WD, VR6) running gear, it would have been immense!

You could find an Octy 4x4 with a old/knacker engine and VR6/R32 engine and you've got yourself a little project

imo Octavia with vrs front bumper looks better than a Toledo with cupra/cupra r bumpers

Dunno the seat seems meaner at the front to me then goes wrong lol

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someone needs to photoshop the head lights and centre grill off a leon cupra r on to an octavia vrs with the cupra lower splitter!

someone needs to photoshop the head lights and centre grill off a leon cupra r on to an octavia vrs with the cupra lower splitter!

here's a head start for you

The better engine, brakes etc more than makes up for its fugly backside I'd say.

It's a bit like saying you wouldn't tackle angelina Jolie cause she's got dodgy lips.

the vrs should be compared to the cupra not cupra r,as the R is a hot hatch to compete with type r's and focus rs ,the vrs and cupra are just good understated fast family cars imo