Firstly, apologies for the new thread, but it seemed prudent to do a new one so as to not confuse my issue with others.

I have a 2011 Fabia VRS. Never modified/remaped etc. Vehicle was serviced in Feb this year at just before 10000 miles. Up to this point oil usage had been higher than I had experienced with previous cars, but when speaking to the dealer I was told it was 'within tollerance' and 'usual' for the car.

I saw the threads on here, and usage wasn't as bad as some other cars, so I didn't do much.

Over the last 5,000 miles, its got worse. I've added nearly 8 litres of oil now (and proper, VAG group approved Castrol Edge 'Fluid Strength Technology £45 quid a time' stuff) so i've not just got old washing up liquid in there.

I got Skoda UK involved 2 weeks ago, and last week my car went to the local garage for a checkup and various other checks to see if they could see the issue.

They are apparently following the factory and skoda uk guidelines for dealing with the issue, which involved taping over hte cover to my oil filler cap, and telling me to go and drive 200 miles and come back to them.

I hit 200 miles today, so called up and the car is going in tomorrow to be looked at. My concern is, I've not had the oil light come on, and I'm wary of taking the dipstick out incase they have some sort of trap there and think I've sucked oil up the pipe (a friend has a machine that does this to save removing the sump plug, so I can understand their concern).

I usually experience the issue (oil usage that is) on longer journeys, IE Motorway of 100 ish miles, and its worst when over 3000 rpm is used. Worst ever situation was full to amber warning light on the dash in 1 journey from home to Cornwall, just over 150 miles. Not good.

With the oil light not coming on I'm worried it will go in, show no oil usage and them go 'no worries here chief !'

I'd appreciate us making use of this thread to talk about our experiences with Skoda UK and Dealerships.

Any chance anyone can let me know the likely outcomes of tomorrow please?

I'm guessing it would be either

1 - theres loads of oil usage, its referred to Skoda UK and we go from there (new engine/new car/whatever)

2 - theres loads of oil usage, but they shrug it off

3 - theres little oil usage, they think its a problem, and refer to Skoda UK

4 - theres little oil usage, they think its a problem, and ask me to do another 200 miles

5 - theres little oil usage, they say this isnt a problem and try to close the issue

6 - theres no oil usage, and they think I've made it all up !!

my real worry is I've not manage 200 miles without the oil light coming on for a long time, I'm worried there will be no oil used and they try and tell me no problem..... What should I expect?!

Why do you think the oil light should come on after only 200 miles if the vehicle was sent off with the correct amount of oil,

checked properly prior to doing the 200 miles.

They were supposed to put in a measured and weighed amount of oil and now drop that oil and weigh it.

200 miles is going to require a high oil useage if the correct oil amount is in the engine prior to the test.

If the light was to show after 200 miles, i would be leaving the car and demanding a replacement

untill the Engine/vehicle was repaired or replaced.

***Did you really put in 8 litres over a period of 5,000 miles?

1 litre of oil ever 625 miles or so. 5w/30 Castrol Edge Full Synthetic?

MEANING THAT THIS 200 MILE TEST MIGHT HAVE USED 300 ml

Do you know how to check the oil level in the car.?***

Please explain how you check the oil level when topping up with oil.???

The car should have been in to them after the first 4 litres of oil was required to top up. IMO

george

skoda really need to get a handle on this issue.....

Why do you think the oil light should come on after only 200 miles if the vehicle was sent off with the correct amount of oil,

checked properly prior to doing the 200 miles.

They were supposed to put in a measured and weighed amount of oil and now drop that oil and weigh it.

200 miles is going to require a high oil useage if the correct oil amount is in the engine prior to the test.

If the light was to show after 200 miles, i would be leaving the car and demanding a replacement

untill the Engine/vehicle was repaired or replaced.

***Did you really put in 8 litres over a period of 5,000 miles?

1 litre of oil ever 625 miles or so. 5w/30 Castrol Edge Full Synthetic?

MEANING THAT THIS 200 MILE TEST MIGHT HAVE USED 300 ml

Do you know how to check the oil level in the car.?***

Please explain how you check the oil level when topping up with oil.???

The car should have been in to them after the first 4 litres of oil was required to top up. IMO

george

Sadly George, welcome to our world.

I've been checking the oil as per the guidelines in the owners handbook, and sadly, I've got used to needing to top up every time I fill up with fuel, I had a Honda S2000 before this which is well known for oil use, even screaming round a track all day at 9000 rpm didnt result in oil use close to this.

Oh, and no exageration regarding the oil top ups, I've got the empties to prove it :(

I have a vRS that had a rebuilt engine that uses no oil now.

My other half now has one that never needed fixed and uses no oil.

You say by the 'Owners Manual'.

Are you bringing the oil up to 88 degrees celcius, letting it sit a few minutes and looking for the oil to be at the top of the hatch area?

Did the Garage drop your oil, put in new oil & then seal the cap??

george

Hmm...I've got a vRS on order,build week 39.

I wonder what would happen if I sent Skoda copies of a few of the "oil threads" on here and asked them to positively confirm that the issues that cause the excessive oil consumption have now all been addressed by appropriate modifications to all current build engines...and say that if they cannot then I will cancel my order?

Full to warning light on in less than 200 miles on a regular basis - that's mental! I'd be demanding they look into it further if their "test" doesnt show any problem. Only done 3 small top ups on mine in 18 months / 13k.

XK140,

Dont worry, the cars and engine are fantastic.

You are right to buy one while you can.

You have full Consumer Rights in the UK & a Warranty.

I fail to understand why some people get the Run Around with Skoda or Dealers.

Just get your Legal Rights.

If the car fails they need to repair or replace.

george

It can not be Correct level to warning light in 200 miles, if it is only going to use/drop by 300 ml;

(or that is around 1 litre per 625 miles.)

Thats why i bam asking that it starts its journey with the correct level & amount of oil.

Not Over filled & not too low.

george

XK140... I did a poll there are way more good ones than bad ones. and that doesn't include people who seek out forums because of problems.....

mine has done 34k, and doesn't use a drop...

I would advise to run in by drivivng normally, use full throttle an full revs where you normally would.. (mine was bouncing off the red line at 14 miles..)

as george implied, read the handbook.... check oil when warm, dont top up if its at least 3/4 full (there's a diagram in the handbook) and all should be well.

I really feel for those suffering though :( there's nothing worse than constant problems to make you loose faith!

The whole make sure its warm etc is exactly what I've been doing sadly.

....Edited...

Edited 20 August, 201213 yr by conanius

No it should not.

That said, did you check the Oil Level when the car has left Garage workshops.

When you bought it first, & from the Service they did.

Before using it much.

As soon as you had the Oil Hot, not warm.

My Car had an engine rebuild because the first private owner that bought the demonstrator returned it,

and they still sent it out to me when i bought it with the Oil Level wrong. Too High.

I got the second car we bought serviced to keep to the warranty, and it had the wrong oil level in it, too low!!

You appear to have a faulty engine that needed sorted before 10,000 miles were covered and now probably needs a replacement engine.

Or reject the car.

Get legal Advice and reject the vehicle like others have had to.

good luck

george

The whole make sure its warm etc is exactly what I've been doing sadly.

I wont lie, that particular trip occured on.... a private road, and included maybe, 60 miles of said private road with the cruise at 90. But even so, surely it shouldn't use that much oil?

Keep at the dealer and get some free oil

Edited 21 August, 201213 yr by seboni121

There's nothing wrong with doing high speeds and hard acceleration from new. Many of us have done this and now either use less oil or none at all. As Sharkrider says it is disconcerting to often read about people still having oil problems but as his poll proved the majority are fine. The forum is a lot like going to A&E and wondering why there's so many ill people there since people like you want to find out what's wrong.

I'd be going mental and would demand it to be sorted. You've done the right thing in contacting Skoda directly.

I've use cruise on long journeys... thats what its there for ! Certainly, all that has in the main happened after my first service at close to 10k miles. I've not been told anywhere that I shouldn't use cruise. I did do quite a few long journeys when I first bought the car at circa 1600 miles, but knowing how important it is to run in an engine properly I ended up looking like a yoyo on the M1 speeding up and slowing down all the time and making sure once up to full temperature I got the engine revving through to about 5000 rpm. I didnt go for the 'full monty' rev wise until about 2500 miles when again, I'd only do this once the engine was at 89-91 degrees C oil temp.

The 200 mile example is an extreme one, where I wasn't exactly aiming for high MPG and involved plenty of fun roads in Cornwall. However, Regularly I need to do an oil top up at every petrol fill up (350-450 miles depending on usage)

I've said my concern this time is that the light ISNT on, and i dont want them to go ' no oil light on, no problem' Understandable really.

Apologies if my previous post was confusing, edited out to keep it clear

I've use cruise on long journeys... thats what its there for ! Certainly, all that has in the main happened after my first service at close to 10k miles. I've not been told anywhere that I shouldn't use cruise. I did do quite a few long journeys when I first bought the car at circa 1600 miles, but knowing how important it is to run in an engine properly I ended up looking like a yoyo on the M1 speeding up and slowing down all the time and making sure once up to full temperature I got the engine revving through to about 5000 rpm. I didnt go for the 'full monty' rev wise until about 2500 miles when again, I'd only do this once the engine was at 89-91 degrees C oil temp.

The 200 mile example is an extreme one, where I wasn't exactly aiming for high MPG and involved plenty of fun roads in Cornwall. However, Regularly I need to do an oil top up at every petrol fill up (350-450 miles depending on usage)

I've said my concern this time is that the light ISNT on, and i dont want them to go ' no oil light on, no problem' Understandable really.

Apologies if my previous post was confusing, edited out to keep it clear

Go long way to dealership preferably by lanes if you get what I mean

There's nothing wrong with doing high speeds and hard acceleration from new. Many of us have done this and now either use less oil or none at all. As Sharkrider says it is disconcerting to often read about people still having oil problems but as his poll proved the majority are fine. The forum is a lot like going to A&E and wondering why there's so many ill people there since people like you want to find out what's wrong.

I'd be going mental and would demand it to be sorted. You've done the right thing in contacting Skoda directly.

I thought the same, thanks for the reply.

I appreciate that this is definitely the minority of cars, and I'm pleased about that. I'd love for this to be fixed as its a great car. However in the current situation I've lost confidence with the brand :(

I've seen blue smoke from the rear a few times (sometimes when idleing after a run at traffic lights and then gently pulling off) which I believe is oil going out the back. That makes me wonder how heathly the Cat must be after all of this. I'll certainly be saying that to Skoda UK and expecting it to at the very least be looked at.

Go long way to dealership preferably by lanes if you get what I mean

Dealership isn't far from the house, and in honesty, they've been really good about it all. I'm just worrying as I spent a load of cash on this and I want it sorting.

I must disagree.

I do not think they have been very good about it.

HAVE THEY BEEN SUPPLYING YOU WITH FREE OIL?

Now you need to get them to give you a proper running car.

At the the 10,000 mile Oil service did they put in 'Quantum' or similar oil, or did you pay for or supply 'Castrol Edge'.?

how much did that service cost you?

How much is the price of the Oil on the Invoice?

If in the next 5000 miles you got 37 mpg,

that is 137 gallons @ about £6 = £822

then 8 litres of Castrol Edge used , even if you get 4 litres for £37 = £74

= near £900 for 5000 miles.

You would not need an oil change @ 20,000 miles ,

just drop the oil, filter it, put in a 'New OIL Flter' & put your oil back in.

THEN START THE WHOLE FILLING WITH OIL AND NEEDING TO CHECK ALL THE TIME, ALL OVER AGAIN>

But 10,000 miles & 16 litres of oil £148 would be taking the pith.

In fact Skoda could not go on with their emissions figures if a car does its MPG & Oil usage that you are reporting.

george

EDIT,PS

if you use it hard but get very good MPG yet use lots of oil, i might stick with it as it is.

?** What MPG do you get?

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/237661-oil-consumption-update

(your post from the 19th May is there, 'when you were going to talk to the dealer')

Page 2 Explains how a Dealer should do an Oil Consumption test.

http://www.briskoda....level-465-miles

http://www.briskoda....umption-vrs-180

This is why they are not being good.

They know what needs doing.

Just go back through 6 pages here, to see the people that do get things resolved.

Update.....

Dealer advises they have 'the oil consumption tests *drum roll*

1.7 litres per 1000 miles. Considering the driving I was able to do, this has been agreed as a best case scenario.

Car is now booked in on 5th September to have new piston rings fitted, but other parts have also been ordered if based on investigations they need replacing (this includes pistons themselves)

I feel slightly vindicated after telling them there was an issue and I'm happy the result went my way.

Plan is to let them work some magic, and then go from there... I'll keep this thread updated with progress

Opening a new engine up? I'd be after a replacement engine but if your happy that's great news

I'm going to give them the chance to fix the vehicle as they see fit.. that way if it doesn't work I intend to seek to reject the vehicle due loss of confidence. If I start demanding a new engine now I think I'll have played my hand too soon.