Hi all I'm looking for any ideas really, I have an 06 fabia vrs BLT engine code and for the last 18months I have been working towards breaking the 200 bhp I have egr delete stage 2 garrett hybrid decat pipercross air filter serviced every 7k my mapper of choice is southwestincartech its a custom map which has been adjusted around 7 times now I have had to drive there ten times which is getting annoying after 3 maf sensors we figured its not that the current one is measuring correctly he has said, he spent nearly 1.5 hours saturday checking all values were measuring correctly whilst using the rolling road and they all seem correct but it just will not go over 170bhp does anyone have any suggestions at all at what could be restricting it p.s 170 bhp is what it pulled on the first ever run on the dyno with standard turbo before it popped lol any help is much appreciated

Sounds like **** mapping.

If you don't have one, fit an fmic!

Front mounted intercooler?

Updated clutch?

Any decent mapper (check on here for individual views) should make over 200 easily

No I don't have fmic been toying with it but I'm told that just decreases intake air temp and just helps against heat soak I did check out the place before hand done about a month of research he seemed to keep popping up as the best overall, but I suppose the only way of finding out is to get another map but that means more money lol and I would also loose his help argh it's so difficult also I have basic vagcom so I can measure blocks today I've been out this morning and the only thing I notice is on fuel the accelerator request 70 mg/stroke and is only getting highest of 24.2 mg/stroke but that's on my drive not under load. Regards lewis

D15vrs - no fmic but yes I have SMF and carbon Kevlar clutch definitely no slip at all, mark @ southwest has adjusted it lots and to the same or similar bhp between 160 and 170 dependant on what he changed

You need a front mount, cooler intake temps mean more volume. And can the MAF not be mapped out like on other cars?

Day

Not sure if maf can be mapped out but the mapper says its reading correct volumes and when I unplugged it because It was faulty and you could genuinely feel more power but now feels same

Not sure if maf can be mapped out but the mapper says its reading correct volumes and when I unplugged it because It was faulty and you could genuinely feel more power but now feels same

 

I know with other marques the MAF can be mapped out completely on higher powered vehicles. Whether its the same or not on the PD's is another thing. Might be worth having a nosey at a different mapper and seeing what they can offer.

Day

You NEED a front mount!

BUT your mapper is shizer!

You need a decent company on the case!

But again that is pointless untill you sort a fmic!

You'll have +200bhp for about 2 seconds untill your heat soaked back down to 100bhp

Big Jase is telling you the truth, the heatsoak is crippling your power figures and you won't realise the potential of that hybrid until you address the problem.

 

Next to the turbo itself the intercooler is the most important part of your induction system, NONE of the other mods you have will make any difference to the power output at all, in fact the aftermarket air filter may actually contribute to premature impellor wear due to less efficient filtration.

 

However I don't believe your mapper can be blamed since he can't overcome the crippling heatsoak.

 

Get a proper FMIC installed and I firmly believe you'll see figures north of 200bhp.

You'd have thought the mapper would have recommended a fmic at that level of tune..

Big Jase is telling you the truth, the heatsoak is crippling your power figures and you won't realise the potential of that hybrid until you address the problem.

Next to the turbo itself the intercooler is the most important part of your induction system, NONE of the other mods you have will make any difference to the power output at all, in fact the aftermarket air filter may actually contribute to premature impellor wear due to less efficient filtration.

However I don't believe your mapper can be blamed since he can't overcome the crippling heatsoak.

Get a proper FMIC installed and I firmly believe you'll see figures north of 200bhp.

But at the same time, would you trust a mapper who says an fmic is not essential or not needed and after 7 attempts still not suggest it.

But at the same time, would you trust a mapper who says an fmic is not essential or not needed and after 7 attempts still not suggest it.

 

No I wouldn't.

 

However the OP doesn't say that the mapper told him this, just "I'm told...", the OP is also concerned about spending more money on the project so I'm concerned that he may be trying to cut corners that cannot be cut.

 

The OP should have spent the money he wasted on a decat, air filter, EGR delete etc. on a decent FMIC, then he'd be seeing the power.

Intake temps run quite high on the rolling road so in reality the map and turbo may be capable of + 200bhp but the hardware isn't!

So that 170bhp is probably all the stock smic can cope with!

Mapping is the last thing to be done, all the hardware needs to be in place! My old yellow hybrid ran stock mapping for a couple of weeks with all the hardware in place before mapping

To be fair it's a loyal man who has someone put a 170bhp map on a standard turbo, which then suffers failure (as they do), spends money on a stage 2 hybrid, fits it and remaps again only to make the same figures and go back another 5 or 6 times and still get no results.

 

I'm assuming given you have "had to drive there ten times which is getting annoying" this guy isn't next door to you so if it was me i'd have cut my losses and moved on to try someone else a while ago.

 

Having looked at the companies website they use celtic tuning maps which seem to get mixed reviews on here

Avoid celtic tuning - they had a go at mapping my car, not a clue what they where upto.
Fair enough, not a diesel, and a stage 3 setup, but still, no excuse given the claims on the website and claims made when speaking to the head tuner.
I dealt with them directly at the their Roche HQ. Extremely rude, unwilling to tell me what was going on, refused to let me speak to the head tuner who was supposed to be working on the car.
Had to go in with car trailer and demand both my car and money back.

Other stories in the Octavia 1 section of their pitiful attempts at mapping.

 

As others have said get your intake temps down with a FMIC and get a map done elsewhere.

 

I'm sure some of the site sponsors here would offer to do the work give you a RR session to check the figures and if you weren't happy go back to whatever was on there originally

Probably if its celtic tuning it will be a generic map thats tweeked!

Probably just upped the boost but intercooler can't take it

Get a front mount. Its the only bit of hardware that's restricting your power. As for the mapper and the software used, take it somewhere on here that's reputable. Or keep taking it back to where it's going now n waste more money.

Here's my epic power curve from Celtic tuning, mapped by previous owner and I got it RR'd as it felt flat.

Yes, front mount and then take the car to Clive at CN Tuning in Wokingham or pop up to R Tech in Hinckley.

Richard washbrook oscarli

I have a blt,no mods it made 140bhp,Miltek exhaust and a air filter and a forge fmic it made 176,now with a hybrid and a few bits its 200+,deffo need a cooler

Really cant get over the tuner didnt think of a front mount cooler. If the same guy supplied the turbo aswell i would be doubting it was actually a hybrid not just a garret turbo. Either way i hope you get it sorted out and get the power your looking for.

Thanks for all the replies much appreciated yes southwestincartech do have some connection to Celtic tuning I believe and he has said my current intercooler should be fine but it might be a good idea to change if I could I've been looking at some today so probably will have one fitted by next week he is unfortunately 45mins up the motorway so not close i have been returning because he has been trying to help diagnose why we are stuck at 170 so 1 trip maf was faulty next trip thought the cat was restricting so I kept going back to see if it was running right and before I knew it i am here now after 10 tries, he sent me away Saturday with possible tandem not sending enough diesel so will check this tommoro at a deisel specialist how plausible does this sound to people who know about these engines more? Also on his website he quotes 193 bhp - 309 ftlbs of torque on stock everything

 Also on his website he quotes 193 bhp - 309 ftlbs of torque on stock everything

 

That should ring alarm bells mate. I would run very fast in the other direction while the car is still working !!

That sounds a bit high for stock