It gets more complicated in a place like Milton Keynes which has a grid of dual carriageways with roundabouts on all the intersections. At some point slower traffic has to move into lane 2 to make a RH turn.

My neighbour, who is a copper, has been told that advice on implementation won't be available until Tuesday.

Trouble is most of the plonkers that lane hogg don't realise that they are doing anything wrong!

Trouble is most of the plonkers that lane hogg don't realise that they are doing anything wrong!

 

They will soon.

Trouble is most of the plonkers that lane hogg don't realise that they are doing anything wrong!

A motorway section of the driving test should be mandatory.

Students should not be able to opt out of this, once a normal pass

is achieved in town, there should be a further section that is to be

completed before a full licence is obtained.

About five further hours practical tuition followed by a further hour under test

conditions should suffice.  It's better than the sweet FA they get now.

Who cares if it going to incur further costs to the student? Better than paying the ultimate

price being wiped out by a HGV?? Besides, driving isn't a god given right,  

it's something we have to pay for like anything else we do. It's an expensive

business running a car, best to get used to that early on IMO. 

 

 

It should cover the importance of remaining focussed, often for hours at a time,

keeping a steady and appropriate speed for conditions, planning your progress,

correct indication, defensive driving, correct use of lights, correct lane discipline,

night driving and driving in rain or reduced visibility.

Whilst I appreciate that some of this is covered in the pass plus tuition, it's not  

mandatory and it should be.

I've said it before, the powers that be are missing a trick here.

It would be good for the economy, the instructors, the examiners and of course  

the student.

A motorway section of the driving test should be mandatory.

Students should not be able to opt out of this, once a normal pass

is achieved in town, there should be a further section that is to be

completed before a full licence is obtained.

About five further hours practical tuition followed by a further hour under test

conditions should suffice.  

 

It should cover the importance of remaining focussed, often for hours at a time,

keeping a steady and appropriate speed for conditions, planning your progress,

correct indication, defensive driving, correct use of lights, correct lane discipline,

night driving and driving in rain or reduced visibility.

Whilst I appreciate that some of this is covered in the pass plus tuition, it's not  

mandatory and it should be.

I've said it before, the powers that be are missing a trick here.

It would be good for the economy, the instructors, the examiners and of course  

the student.

 

Agreed.

 

The conditions on motorways are quite different and present an entirely new set of hazards to new drivers. There are, however, geographical issues with this, but I'm sure there must be ways around them.

Yes, some places are a long way from a motorway.

However, as I added in my edit, it's not a god given right and

if you really want to do something, then it's reasonable to have  

to put yourself out a bit to do it.  

The term 'Motorway' keeps getting used.

Motorways are excluding Tractors, Farm Machinery, Mopeds etc.

So easier for the motorists that are on those roads.

 

Multi Lane Carriageways seem to throw some drivers, even a Dual Carriageway.

These do have lots of slow moving traffic and more hazards possibly than 'Motorways', which should have nothing crossing junctions and all traffic is moving in one direction, slip road on, slip roads off. ie Forwards, not going Across at right angles..

&

these non Motorway multi lane carriageways can have learner drivers on them who are excluded from Motorways but other wise able to cause mayhem elsewhere.

 

There are no Motorways north of Perth, there are lots of Dual Carriageways where some tuition could be given,

obviously not every place, 

that will be similar to many other areas of mainland and many British Isles.

 

george

Yes, some places are along way from a motorway.

However, as I added in my edit, it's not a god given right and

if you really want to do something, then it's reasonable to have  

to put yourself out a bit to do it.  

Ok, so you'll be happy with coming to the NW Highlands to do tuition on single track roads where 60mph is legal, safe, and even expected then?

Why on earth would I want to do that?

I live in Somerset, we have those here believe it or not. 

Do you think Scotland has a monopoly on those types of road?

You need to head south Ken and see what the civilised world has to offer.   

We have all that, and more.  

 

But in answer to your question. Yes,  if necessary.

I'd get on a plane and come and do it and have a nice weekend away

while I'm at it.  But then again, I don't think the world owes me any

special treatment, by virtue of what part of the UK I happen to live in

or anything else for that matter. As a self confessed capitalist I'm happy

to pay my way. In fact, it's all I know how to do.

So, if that's what the rules stated I needed to do then so be it.

Thinking about it, the Scottish have always wanted to be a law unto

themselves haven't they? And in particular have kicked back against

any type of regulation coming from South of the border.

So how about this? If you pass in Scotland, you can only drive in Scotland? 

Unreasonable? Of course it is but you can't have it both ways Ken.

Why on earth would I want to do that?

I live in Somerset, we have those here believe it or not. 

Do you think Scotland has a monopoly on those types of road?

You need to head south Ken and see what the civilised world has to offer.   

We have all that, and more.  

 

But in answer to your question. Yes,  if necessary.

I'd get on a plane and come and do it and have a nice weekend away

while I'm at it.  But then again, I don't think the world owes me any

special treatment, by virtue of what part of the UK I happen to live in

or anything else for that matter. As a self confessed capitalist I'm happy

to pay my way. In fact, it's all I know how to do.

So, if that's what the rules stated I needed to do then so be it.

Thinking about it, the Scottish have always wanted to be a law unto

themselves haven't they? And in particular have kicked back against

any type of regulation coming from South of the border.

So how about this? If you pass in Scotland, you can only drive in Scotland? 

Unreasonable? Of course it is but you can't have it both ways Ken.

Alternatively, you could accept that M/ways are our safest roads in crashes per 100k miles, so there is no case for them needing special tuition.

Many of us do drive to the south of the UK, and wonder why there is such a hulaboo over something as simple as driving in multi lanes.

Witnesses everyplace to the Tailgaters, non lights on drivers, Fogs on all  the time etc.

So the Government will be getting the increased revenue they want very easily.

Maybe about time that by proportion that those drivers gaining the most from the infrastructure and higher spending per capita of the roads budget actually pay for it.

 

Possibly the driving tests in parts of the UK are just too easily passed or something.

Possibly the standard of driving of many is just pathetic.

 

i know that just in Scotland driving in the South West is an experience and a half,

some how there, people seem to think there is no need to switch on lights when 

visibility is poor and also many fail to indicate or they just do not have an understanding of the concept.

 

Scotland do actually have their Own Laws, Court system and different Prosecutions over Traffic Offences.

Same Road Traffic acts, but police have to deal with some of these differently.

(Why drivers/couriers possibly of illicit items being covertly followed in England & up the M6 are monitored until they cross into Scotland and the stop is put in.)

 

Scotland is also already Devolved since 1998/9 and has its own Government and Parliament.

'Scotland Act 1998'

'Union with England act 1707' and we have our own Legal system still.)

 

 

If there is Independence in Scotland there might well be a different Driving Test or Tuition Requirements.

There may be a Different Vehicle & Licencing Department, rather than an Executive Agency like the DVLA.

 

Maybe more EU style, who knows yet.

 

Not sure that the Southern UK or English & Welsh drivers are better trained or experienced in driving than north of the Border..

Maybe Insurance Claims on RTA's can give an indication on the standard of average driver and their driving.

 

george

Why on earth would I want to do that?

I live in Somerset, we have those here believe it or not. 

Do you think Scotland has a monopoly on those types of road?

You need to head south Ken and see what the civilised world has to offer.   

We have all that, and more.  

 

 

 

 

I had no idea civilisation extended that far South! 

There is no need to have brought up the North South Divide subject, but since it was some might need to understand what the Westminster Government does not bother to tell those in England..

Scotland pays for its own Roads, Bridges and Tunnels.

Now we pay no Tolls, well the public purse pays the costs and upkeeps from the Nations funds & economy..

 

Scotland & Scottish road tax & fuel tax payers also contributes to the building and upkeep of roads, bridges and tunnels in England

by merit of the money we send south, and get less back,

ie we subsidise the south.

Seems to be a situation that needs revised sooner rather than later.

 

Scotland will then use the money currently going into Englands infrastructure & roads network to 

modernise and further upgrade Scotlands, which does require much more spending after the decades of underfunding from the Westminster Parliament before Devolution in 1998.

 

george

hmmm, touched a nerve?

 

I was driving to stansted this morning at 5.30. I pulled onto the A120 and had a Y reg BMW 325 right up my ringpiece. I acellerated hard and got a nice gap a minute later he was up my ringpiece again, ok so i accellerated to 85-90 and he caught me up. Fine pass this van and pull in to let him by, dude sits beside me at 75-80, i slow to 60 pull in behind to overtake a lorry and he pulls in beside the lorry. I pass both lorry and him and he pulls out and sits on my ring again. Eventually I took it to cough 05 miles an hour and he pulls back,  i set cruise at 75 and continue my journey. Is this a case of your a skoda and arent beating a BMW or what?

yup, had a few cases of that over the years

 

Scotland & Scottish road tax ...

 

ahem

Vehicle Excise Duty, if you please :p

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23694438

ahem,

If quoting, please do not cut short what you are quoting,.

(changes the context)

 

'Scotland & Scottish Road Tax & Fuel tax payers'.

 

So i will correct that,

'Scotland (thats the nation) and 'Scottish' Vehicle Excise Duty & Fuel Duty payers'

I think from now i will stick with just VED.

 

?? What do we now call 'Tax Disc Holders' ?   Must be 'VD Holders'

 

george